Vegas 64bit in september!!

blink3times wrote on 3/12/2008, 9:29 PM

I think you're behind the curve a bit on FCP. Quartz has greatly speeded things up,

So you're saying they had to IMPROVE fcp to get it to run better. Well..... what the heck do people think Sony is doing with Vegas 64????

FrigidNDEditing wrote on 3/12/2008, 11:12 PM

Hey, hey, hey. Everyone cool your jets, what are you all getting your panties in a bunch about. You haven't even gotten your hands on this software and half of you are acting like it's your savior and the other half are acting like the dang thing is broken before you've even set mouse and keyboard on it.

let me make sure that I put in my .02 hre too.

As far as I know noone has ever made any statements to the effect that it's going to require a paid upgrade (or unpaid for that matter) for the 64bit version.

At the show they were showing vegas 64bit but they said that while it would perform very well, it was already in the dynamic ram preview at this point so even though we saw very good performance they clearly stated that this was not the first time playing through the footage so make sure you don't just go getting crazy with speculation etc...

I was just excited to see a statement of the new 64bit version of vegas coming. Now it's changed so I don't know when it will be out, so while it's still slated for later this year, it's certainly NOT a bad thing that Sony is taking the next step to 64bit and it seems like everyone here is freaking out like they shouldn't be continuing to develop new means of expanding vegas.

Everyone's got their problems, so while they are getting fixed they are also moving forward, that makes me glad to use the software ( that and the general user experience of course :) )

Dave

rmack350 wrote on 3/12/2008, 11:28 PM

Personally, I'm psyched because I think this was an opportunity to rebuild a lot of other parts of Vegas that were long in the tooth.

64-bit in September? Well, I think you might find that 4GB sticks of RAM are getting affordable by then and the motherboard you thought only supported 8 GB really supports 16 with a BIOS update.

Rob Mack

DJPadre wrote on 3/13/2008, 7:08 AM

"Yeah... after you do a prerender. I've worked with FCP and unless I did things terribly wrong... pretty much everything has to be rendered before it will properly play "
Well you see.. were talking 500mbps streem here.. .not 25mbps streams...
Premiere also prerenders. Even with a Matrox card... even with DV...
Granted theyre pretty quick but the fact remains its usable for client to come by and see the edit if required.

Edius on the other hand jsut plays back, filters and all without twitching... without bottlenecking pagefile and without any fuss

blink3times wrote on 3/13/2008, 4:05 PM

Edius on the other hand jsut plays back, filters and all without twitching... without bottlenecking pagefile and without any fuss

Oh please... stop your whining. If Edius is so great and Vegas is such crap then why are you even here??

Cliff Etzel wrote on 3/13/2008, 4:12 PM

I've looked at Edius as a trial - talk about unintuitive!!! I uninstalled after trying to understand how the interface worked. It may do all that and a bag of chips, but if you can't wrap your head around how things work - forget it.

I'm still up in the air about whether to make the jump to Vista64 or not given the amount of system resources Vista requires and it seems that XP64 will not be supported for Vegas Pro 64. The only other option I see is jumping to a MAC. As if I really want to spend that much money on prebuilt hardware. I'm going to look at the Hackintosh community and see what's being said and testing out a build on a separate drive on my beige box and seeing how I like it - Windows is my bread and butter for the time being, but given the test edit I did with Final Cut Express on an iMac, I'm sorely tempted.

Cliff Etzel - Solo Video Journalist
bluprojekt | ImmersiveVJ.com

NickHope wrote on 3/13/2008, 4:51 PM

Cliff, what's the problem with what you've got now? Vegas 8 on XP x64. Its doing the job for me just nicely.

Personally I am definitely going to wait until 64-bit Vegas is released before I change my OS, and even then I will wait to see how other users get along with it (unless it supports XP x64 after all).

farss wrote on 3/13/2008, 4:59 PM

Maybe they're both very good, for what they were designed for.
NLEs aren't like a spouse, you can have more than one, you can even admire others without loosing half of everything you own.

Bob.

CorTed wrote on 3/13/2008, 5:04 PM

Cliff, for what its worth, I have been running VP8 on Vista since day one. Granted I've had my share of problems with Vegas, but I'm not so sure that was due to the OS.
I really like Vista, it is clean and crisp and works for me as good as XP did. I did build my Q6600 box from scratch last summer with Vista in mind so all components inside were Vista ready and had proper drivers.
Not sure what your setup requires, but you want to make sure the drivers are available for Vista (both 32 &64 bit)

Ted

apit34356 wrote on 3/13/2008, 5:12 PM

We are fortune that some forum members are aggressively using VISTA64 with VEGAS and other NLEs paving the way. I have been slow to move to VISTA64, tho, I do have a few machines with VISTA32, I still prefer XP PRO on most of my machines. Rumor has it that MS is pushing hard to get Windows 7 out soon so it phase out the VISTA push, this one reason why I'm been slow about VISTA plus many other issues too.

Cliff Etzel wrote on 3/13/2008, 7:51 PM

Nick - no issues currently. But I'm not liking the path that M$ is taking with their OS. Windows 7 is rumored that they may go to a subscription scheme for Windows 7. Also, I have found that Windows after awhile becomes sluggish and I need to restore my base install from an Acronis image I created - not bad, but TBH, certain drivers have recently come to light that I need and don't have available to me.

I can say that after having removed my self imposed perceptions about the MAC platform, I can see why there are those who choose to use it and never look back. As I said previously, the abilities of FCE 4 with LiveType blew me away - especially when I found out you can purchase it for $169.00 from NewEgg.

I can't explain it - but the overall performance feels snappier, the graphics display is also very fast. I'm still undecided though. Leopard is now a full 64bit OS and the apps have been coded from my understanding to take advantage of that. I have read that PPro on the MAC is dog slow and this may be a result of not being a native 64bit app - but I'm not sure I'm correct in that statement.

From a computer geek perspective - OSX is a very efficient OS compared to Windows. Anyone know if there is a legit way to run a trial of Vista64 without losing your data if it is stored on separate partitions???

As I said, Vegas is doing well for me at the present time - I'll just see how things pan out as we get closer to Vegas 64 and what it will run on.

Cliff Etzel - Solo Video Journalist
bluprojekt | ImmersiveVJ.com

Harold Brown wrote on 3/13/2008, 8:53 PM

The 64bit OS still have the 32bit support so there is some dead wood it drags along with it.

MilesCrew wrote on 3/14/2008, 7:27 AM

"So if I cannot run Vegas Pro 64bit on any other 64 bit platform than Vista, and Vista is not an option for me (as for many others), what to do?" (Christian de Godzinsky)

I'm an IT Director and I've got a suggestion for you. I've been running Vista 32-bit for about 6 months and am not really impressed...way too slow (and I'm on a brand new quad-core Xeon here at work). HOWEVER, you should absolutely give Windows Server 2008 x64 a try. I've got a TechNet subscription so I installed it the other day to start playing around. Man, it is ROCK SOLID! The stuff I hate about Vista doesn't seem to be a problem with Server 2008. And it's much much faster. It shares code with Vista so technically anything that runs on Vista should run on it. I've been testing the past few days and can't find anything that doesn't run on it.

Christian de Godzinsky wrote on 3/14/2008, 8:00 AM

Hi Miles,

An interesting idea! My experience with Vista is such that I want to avoid it as long as possible. Additionally, our organisation has banned Vista for now (a decision backud up by me as well).

Is Windows Server 2008 an OS that is supported by SCS, when they say that they only support 64 bit Vista in the future?

What about drivers for various hardware, can you use 64 bit Vista drivers or what?

And finally, why is WS 2008 x64 rock solid, if Vista x64 is not? Especially if based on the same code? I fully believe what you claim, but I just wonder? What about the price compader to 64 bit Vista?

Regards, Christian

farss wrote on 3/14/2008, 8:07 AM

I believe Vista SP1 replaces the guts of Vista with the same engine as WS 2008. Early reports seem to say Vista SP1 is now almost as fast as XP.

MilesCrew wrote on 3/14/2008, 9:20 AM

Christian and farss,

I'm not sure if WS08 is supported by SCS, but if they support Vista x64 then I would say WS08 would be too by default since they now share so much code. farss is right, with the release of Vista SP1 they now are even more alike and Vista is definitely faster. I've heard that Vista x64 was not that bad to begin with compared to Vista 32-bit.

As for drivers, I haven't had a problem with this test machine. I'm using a Dell Optiplex 755 as this test setup and have used all Vista x64 drivers for the ATI card, the Intel gigabit, the SoundMax audio, etc. They all work beautifully.

Many say that WS08 is so much faster/solid is because it, by default, has a lot of Vista's features turned off. You can, however, turn on many (if not all of them). I'm contemplating using WS08 x64 as my daily work PC. There are several guides (Google "Server 2008 as a Workstation") out there that inform you how to turn back on some of the Vista stuff like the Desktop Experience, Themes, etc. I would say, IMO, that it's also more solid because the initial release (RTM) of WS08 is already SP1. They essentially delayed it long enough to make it even more solid as an SP1 product would be. It's about time they do something like that.

Price is a biggie because, of course, it's geared towards businesses. Per Newegg, Vista x64 Ultimate will cost you $290 versus WS08 x64 Standard will cost you $690. Of course, if you attend an upcoming launch event near you (see http://www.microsoft.com/heroeshappenhere/register/default.mspx) they are supposedly giving attendees the software free (and the event is free). I'm attending Atlanta's in April.