Audio and Video features focus of Vegas are equal. There is _no_ difference in our priorities. There are always audio and video teams on each of our projects.

ACID, Sound Forge, and Vegas are flagship products for Sonic Foundry. None of our current products have lost any importance to us.

The features that ship in a given release are chosen for their completeness, usability, integration, and stability. If something is not ready for primetime, we would rather wait than just add a bullet item to a box.

As far as the audio features of VV3, look at what was added:

- Improved Mixing and rendering with the master bus
- Bus groups using the master bus routing
- Full CD Architect type functionality
- New and improved editing
- Phase inversion
- Improved time compress/expand
- Media channel selection
- Improved scrubbing
- Audio performance enhancements
- UI enhancements
- Improved media management

There are also lots of little things that seem minor, but that when looked at over all add up to a significant improvement and advancement of our audio technology.

We believe we have layed the ground work for advancing the Vegas line. We are FAR from done with either the audio or the video features of Vegas!

Peter

I don't mind waiting for features as long as they arrive eventually, and are rock solid! I do look forward to a MIDI sequencing implementation at somepoint though, nothing special, just a piano roll / step edit! I loathe the workarounds cough 'steinbodge' cough!

Jason

Well, I think it would be a great idea to discontinue "Vegas Audio" and just call the program "Vegas" to elliminate the confusion, which is very emminant in this thread. Vegas Video has always had the same features as Vegas Audio, in fact I beleive it's the same program. Originally, when I downloaded my Vegas Video 2, upgrade from Vegas Pro. I installed it using my Vegas Video serial number. Then a friend of mine didn't have an internet connection, so I brought over my Vegas Video Install CDR and he put in his "Vegas Audio" serial number and what do ya know? Vegas audio was on his system. So basically it was the same program and the serial number controlled which features where available. I use Vegas Video primarily for the audio features, but I like having the Video editing features, just when I decide to dig into that arena some day. SF, said when they released Vegas Video first that more audio features where going to be available soon and when they were finished then Vegas Audio would be released also. So Vegas Audio users finally get their release with all their audio features and Vegas Video users get an update. Both have ALL the same audio features. So that's why, discontinuing Vegas Audio would be a good idea, it just adds confusion for the end user.

BTW, I never want to see midi sequencing ability in Vegas. I run Opcode's studio Vision on a seperate PC than Vegas and it works like a charm syncing them together, still better than any "Stankberg" or Cakefudge sequencer. In the near future, I plan to build another PC, just to install Vegas for video editing purposes. So that's 1 seperate PC for video, and another PC for audio, using the same program running together on 2 seperate PC's...kind of like having dual processor capability.

My 2 pesos worth,
rednroll

Hello,

Thanks Peter for clearing up some confusion, But I was under the impression that Vegas Audio 3.0 was going to be released after VV, and I still don't know if it is or is not going to be released.
But it does sound like you will be continuing to improve Vegas, so thats good enough for me. Thanks again for the reply.

Rockit

Peter,

I think we get the point about SF's direction. All we want to know is: Is there going to be Vegas Audio 3 or not?

Cuzin B

To help introduce Vegas Audio users to the powerful new audio features in Vegas Video 3.0, such as Red Book Audio CD mastering with CD Architect Technology, new panning models, voice-optimized timestretching, envelope automation, and more, we've come up with some attractive prices for upgrading your Vegas Audio 2.0. And for those that don't own it yet - a special offer on Vegas Video 3.0 is available as well. Just follow the links below.

Sonic Foundry remains committed to producing the highest quality audio applications available for the PC. Our award-winning titles such as Sound Forge, ACID, and Vegas have, and will continue to, set the standards for professional audio production.

Vegas Audio users, upgrade to Vegas Video 3.0 for $149.95

http://www.sonicfoundry.com/promo.asp?keycode=6899

New Vegas Video 3.0 offer - $349.95

http://www.sonicfoundry.com/promo.asp?keycode=6900

So there will be no Vegas Audio 3? If this is so, then I am so outraged as to what has transpired in this discussion. I, like many of SF's other customers, was eagerly awaiting the release of VA3 and the reasnable introductory pricing. I own Acid, CD Architect, and Soundforge, but according to the anouncement above, unless you are a previous owner of VA or VV, you CAN NOT take advantage of the special upgrade pricing to VV3. Although I'm an audio user, I would welcome upgrade to VV3 at the $149 price, but according to the the announcement, I don't qualify.

I've been using SF software for years, but never have I been so dissapointed by any software company. I've put a lot of money into building my studio with SF software, and for that support I believe that I should qualify by default.

"And now...announcing Vegas Audio 3.0! It's called... Vegas Video 3.0!!! Get it now!!" What the fuck?!?!? This is ridiculous.

well if you didn't own VA 2 why should you get a intro price ? the owners of VA 2 will get VV3 for 149 that's what i paid as a owner of VV2 ( so they come out better as i paid more for VV then they did for VA) ... you could have BOUGHT VV3 for 199 from end of nov to dec 24 !! is adobe going to give you the upgrade price on after effects because you own premiere & photoshop ? NO
pay the $$ it's worth it and it will increase your workflow ! look around on the internet for best pricing !!

FYI, if I had known ahead of time that Vegas Audio 3 was not going to be released, I would have taken advantage of the initial introductory price of VV3. But because SF has not been upfront with their "audio only" users about the future of VA, leading us to believe that an upgrade was on the way, making it imposible to take advantage of the previous offer.

Not everyone has money to throw around!

A much better suggestion than Sequioa would be to get Samplitude Studio 6 for $249. It's almost identical to Sequioa and has some features Sequoia doesn't at a tenth of the price. Sequoia is more suited to post-production, broadcast and classical work. Samplitude's mixer is awesome and I was truly amazed at the difference in sound quality when I transferred all my Vegas projects to it. It has all the functions I was hoping for in Vegas Audio 3 and so much more. I really loved Vegas but I just didn't know what I was missing. And they even have a 90-day fully functional demo (which is crafty because after using it for even 30 days there's no going back!). Oh, I almost forgot - I've never been able to get it to crash either :)

Me, too, I want a discount, too. I never owned Vegas Audio, but I own Premiere, and its audio is terrible. I want a competitive discount.

Sounds like a bout of entitlement drifting through the posts...

I'm really curious when you say you're amazed at the improvement in the sound quality of Samplitude. In what ways do you notice a difference? I'm guessing that you are starting with some form of native digital audio material, right? And that material would be identical no matter what program you load it into for editing . . . so, except for what each software package might offer in the way of pluggin's or filters and such, what does Samplitude do to the files to make such an audibly noticeable improvement in the sound quality?

I'm not challenging your statement, mind you, I'm just really curious. Hope I'm not derailing the thread.

Thanks in advance for any response.

Caruso

...and I want no house payments, no taxes, world peace, and a Land Rover....

lets me see if i got this right .. you were waiting for VA3 to come out .. you don't own any VA product ( you would NOT qualify for any upgrade price ) so you were planning on buying it at full price ... now if you shop around you can BUY VV3 for less then what you pay for VA2 on SF web site ...

i've seen VV3 for very close to what i paid for my 2nd copy of VV3 during that dec promotion !! so SHOP around .....

I got it... VV3 should still be in beta. Don't bother. The CD architect 'disc at once' does not support the latest Plextor drives and the recording is hit and miss for crackles, even after extensive testing with no changes...

I just purchased Audio Le a few days ago and I love it! I took the output from Fender Princeton headphone jack and plugged into my Ac 97 sound card and boom-o I was recording right away. Granted this is hardly pro but the App. semms easy to use. I plan on upgrading to a delta sound card so as to get some pro results. I spent a lot of time searching for software before deciding on Sonic Foundry. Price aside, it's the time you invest learning the software that's the real consideration. I want to upgrade to Vegas 3.0 since my plan is to use my XL-1 for video and my Guitar for the audio, with drums, bass vocals and what have you. The $299 upgrade price is unfair since upgrading from Video factory is less and it's the same price as Audio LE. What's the difference between Sound forge and Vegas Audio? Or what's the diference between a sound editor and a multi-track app.

Hi Caruso,

You ask a good question and you're correct that if you play back a single track in either program you shouldn't hear a difference. It's when you play back a number of tracks simultaneously and the software mixes them together that the differences become quite audible. This has also been debated in depth on many other forums and the general consensus is that it's mostly the different ways that the software developers implement their mixing algorithms. There's a lot of discussion on this at audioforums.com including quite a number of ex-Sonar users who switched because they noticed a very big audio improvement when they did. I wasn't particularly expecting it myself when I "innocently" used EDL-Convert to convert my Vegas tracks to Samplitude format and but then I heard a very noticeable improvement. So much so that I have now converted all my Vegas songs and re-mixed them in Samplitude.

trockman

I should clarify that I'm talking about playing the tracks back flat with no added filters, dynamics or plug-ins etc..

trockman

Trockman:
Thanks for the lucid response. Another question for you: For now, my interest is in video (multi tracks, etc) over a single stereo track. I do use minimal plug-ins to clean up or enhance the sound, but, I'm not into multiple mics, channels, etc.

I'm guessing that, given the limited amount of sound manipulation in my activities, I would notice little if any improvement from the software you mention.

Would you agree, or am I still missing out on something?

Thanks again for your response.

Caruso

I haven't used the video aspects of Samplitude so I really don't know if you'd be missing anything there. And, as you say, if you're using only a stereo track you'd probably not be missing out on much. There it would come down to how useful/preferable you found the internal effects provided by each program. For me one of the biggest plusses of Samplitude is the fact that each region of sound can have it's own dedicated mixer with it's own EQ, dynamics, effects etc. that are separate from those set for the rest of the track that the regions are on. It gives fantastic flexibility in a mix. trockman