Vegas Pro 13 multi camera video resolution down switching

JoeAustin wrote on 8/10/2017, 8:33 AM

Hi folks,

I have hours of footage to intercut from two Canon C100s. With just the two camera tracks, and no effects applied. Much as I wish it would stay at least in "Preview Full" resolution when in multicam mode, I just can't seem to get away from Vegas switching down to half and temporarily dropping a few frames when I do a camera change.

I have a fairly stout computer, and wonder if this could be solved with an upgrade? Or some other solution? Or is this just the way it is? By the way, I did do a trial of 13, and see pretty much the same behaviour.

My Setup:

Windows 10 Pro
Intel I7 4790 4GHZ
Gigabyte Gamer 5 z97
16GB Ram
System on SSD and video on dedicated HDD
Radeon R9 380

Any thoughts or experiences would be appreciated.

 

 

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john_dennis wrote on 8/10/2017, 9:41 AM

Results with an RX480 and two more cores.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/uhd-4k-timeline-preview-results-2017--105232/

Cornico wrote on 8/10/2017, 9:43 AM

Did you already tried video proxies during the multicam session?

Right click on file in Project Media and choose "Create Video Proxy"

JoeAustin wrote on 8/10/2017, 10:58 AM

Results with an RX480 and two more cores.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/uhd-4k-timeline-preview-results-2017--105232/

Thanks John. I appreciate the info. Quite interesting seeing the detailed system and proc. specs.

Passmark rates that your CPU as only 15% faster than the 4790K, but I am sure those extra cores no doubt help.

Doesn't appear that you were in multicam in the example? I should also note that I'd just doing 1080P here.

As for the faster GPU, 13 has problems with it enabled. At least with my 380, so I have to run disabled for editing. Maybe it actually works with the 480?

 

 

JoeAustin wrote on 8/10/2017, 11:03 AM

Did you already tried video proxies during the multicam session?

Right click on file in Project Media and choose "Create Video Proxy"

Thanks for the response, and I have avoided this so far, as the videos are over three hours long, so proxy creation would take a very looooong time. And I have about eight such projects in queue now. I will definitely give this a try, as it might save me time in the long run.

JoeAustin wrote on 8/10/2017, 3:45 PM

Took about three hours to create proxies for both cameras. Sure enough, it does manage to remain in full preview. Or if I set it to "Good/Full" it only downshifts to "Preview/Full" which is still fine.

Still wonder if others have their rig to the point proxies are unnecessary? Or maybe they just put up with it?

 

OldSmoke wrote on 8/10/2017, 4:36 PM

Next time try converting the files, or part of it for testing, with Catalyst Browse to XAVC-I. My system can handle 3cam edits with 1080 60p footage at best full with XAVC-I files from a RAID1 SSD drive.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

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CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

JoeAustin wrote on 8/10/2017, 4:55 PM

Next time try converting the files, or part of it for testing, with Catalyst Browse to XAVC-I. My system can handle 3cam edits with 1080 60p footage at best full with XAVC-I files from a RAID1 SSD drive.

Thanks for the suggestion. I did download and give Catalyst Browse a try. Unfortunately, it does not support C100 output. Seems odd, as it's very close to what cameras like the Sony NX5U output.

set wrote on 8/10/2017, 5:11 PM

"...three hours long, so proxy creation would take a very looooong time. And I have about eight such projects in queue now."

Make the proxy for all 8 similar projects overnight. The Proxy file is created besides the original media, and you can use that later. Hope helps.

I did download and give Catalyst Browse a try. Unfortunately, it does not support C100 output.

I thought C100's recording format is AVCHD standard like most Sony's?

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JoeAustin wrote on 8/10/2017, 5:20 PM

I thought C100's recording format is AVCHD standard like most Sony's?

They are indeed. 24MBPS as well. Even the folder structure on the card is almost identical. Sonys are M2TS and Canon files are MTS. It does seem to work with Panasonic G7 and G85 content, which is an MP4 container.

OldSmoke wrote on 8/10/2017, 5:46 PM

Next time try converting the files, or part of it for testing, with Catalyst Browse to XAVC-I. My system can handle 3cam edits with 1080 60p footage at best full with XAVC-I files from a RAID1 SSD drive.

Thanks for the suggestion. I did download and give Catalyst Browse a try. Unfortunately, it does not support C100 output. Seems odd, as it's very close to what cameras like the Sony NX5U output.


Are you saying Catalyst Browse cant read the C100 files?

I do remember having issues with AVCHD files from my HF G30. Those where 38Mbps AVCHD in mp4 files, they didn't play smooth in Vegas either, I sold that camera after 6 month.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

Marco. wrote on 8/10/2017, 6:59 PM

Catalyst Browse is meant to be used with Sony equipment. Though there are some video formats supported used beyond Sony devices, it is likely lots of such video types are not supported.

JoeAustin wrote on 8/11/2017, 7:38 AM


Are you saying Catalyst Browse cant read the C100 files?

I do remember having issues with AVCHD files from my HF G30. Those where 38Mbps AVCHD in mp4 files, they didn't play smooth in Vegas either, I sold that camera after 6 month

Yes. It shows the C100 files to be "missing or unsupported". I'd not tried the Catalyst Browse before, and it looks like I'll have no use for it.

Just to clarify, playback on the Vegas timeline is fine for the most part on this system. Often "Good" at full framerate. About the same as the video from my old NX5. It's just the camera switch that causes the downshift. Seems making proxies is the answer for now.