Vegas Pro 16.0 Preview Screen Lag

WackyVids wrote on 12/19/2018, 10:20 AM

Hello everyone first time posting something on this forum so I hope I'm doing this right :)

Anyway after installing a fresh new Vegas Pro 16.0 on my new computer I have experience a lot of lag in mine preview screen and I can't seem to fix it and I hope by posting this someone can help me solve my problem
So first thing first what video format am I using

Framebreedte 1920
Framehoogte 1080
Date Speed 48590kbps
Total bit processing speed 48812kbps
Framespeed 59.94 frames/seconds
Item type MP4-video
Codec H.264

and my pc specs

CPU: Intel Core i7-7700 Quad-Core
Motherboard: MSI Z170A MPOWER GAMING TITANIUM
GPU: Nvidia GeForce GTX Titan
RAM: 4x Kingston HyperX Fury 40GB
CPU Cooler: Corsair Hydro H100I GTX
Power Supply:Corsair 1000W

and here are my settings in Vegas Pro 16.0

and here is some video proof (if it works)

http://player.vimeo.com/video/307014930

please let me know if you need some more information this is all I can come up with for now

Comments

NickHope wrote on 12/19/2018, 10:24 AM

This forum doesn't support img tags. Please upload pictures directly to the forum using the button.

Smooth playback tips: https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-how-can-i-make-my-video-preview-play-smoothly-in-vegas-pro--104624/

WackyVids wrote on 12/19/2018, 11:29 AM

Hi Nick Hope

Before I was going to post this on the forum I have done all kinds of different option the internet has to offer

and I also came a cross your ''Smooth playback tips'' I did exactly what it said but it didn't help for me

If you have more options please let me know because I don't know how to fix it

NickHope wrote on 12/19/2018, 11:34 AM

Please supply more information according to this post, especially parts C1 & C2: https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/important-information-required-to-help-you--110457/

WackyVids wrote on 12/19/2018, 5:14 PM

So this is Part C1: The MediaInfo Report from my source footage

General
Complete name                            : E:\Elgate 1080p 60 fps recorden.mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Codec ID                                 : M4V  (M4V /M4A /mp42/isom)
File size                                : 10.7 GiB
Duration                                 : 31 min 30 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 48.8 Mb/s
Movie name                               : Great Recording
Description                              : 
Recorded date                            : 2018-08-27
Encoded date                             : UTC 2018-08-27 09:34:20
Tagged date                              : UTC 2018-08-27 09:34:20

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4.1
Format settings                          : CABAC / 1 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, RefFrames               : 1 frame
Format settings, GOP                     : M=1, N=15
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 31 min 30 s
Source duration                          : 31 min 30 s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 48.6 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 59.940 (59940/1000) FPS
Original frame rate                      : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.391
Stream size                              : 10.7 GiB (100%)
Source stream size                       : 10.7 GiB (100%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2018-08-27 09:34:20
Tagged date                              : UTC 2018-08-27 09:34:20
Color range                              : Full
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
mdhd_Duration                            : 1890172
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 31 min 30 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 224 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 49.9 MiB (0%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2018-08-27 09:34:20
Tagged date                              : UTC 2018-08-27 09:34:20

And also part C2 : VEGAS Pro File Properties from my source footage

General
  Name: Great Recording.mp4
  Folder: E:\Elgate 1080p 60 fps recorden
  Type: AVC
  Size: 11,26 GB (11.533.066.475 bytes)
  Created: Monday 27 August 2018, 11:34:20
  Modified: monday 27 August 2018, 11:38:21
  Accessed: monday 27 August 2018, 11:34:20
  Attributes: ArchiveStreams
  Video: 00:31:30,174, 59,940 fps progressive, 1920x1080x32, AVC
  Audio: 00:31:30,111, 48.000 Hz; Stereo, AACSummary
  [TCFM]: 6ACID information
  ACID chunk: no
  Stretch chunk: no
  Stretch list: no
  Stretch info2: no
  Beat markers: no
  Detected beats: noOther metadata
  Regions/markers: no
  Command markers: noMedia manager
  Media tags: noPlug-In
  Name: so4compoundplug.dll
  Folder: C:\Program Files\VEGAS\VEGAS Pro 16.0\FileIO Plug-Ins\so4compoundplug
  Format: AVC
  Version: Version 1.0 (Build 8532)
  Company: MAGIX Computer Products Intl. Co.

NickHope wrote on 12/19/2018, 11:40 PM

How was it recorded?

Just about everything I know regarding smooth playback is covered in that post, so I don't really have further suggestions. But...

Don't miss trying tip #14 (disable so4compoundplug).
Experiment with some different settings for GPU acceleration of video processing in your video preferences.

WackyVids wrote on 12/20/2018, 10:33 AM

So how I record is like this:

First I have a xbox on x (that does 1080p 60 fps) from there goes a hdmi cable to my computer and in my computer I have a Elgato Game Capture HD 60 Pro (PCIe) (with that I record my gameplay videos) then from my Elgato Game Capture HD 60 Pro (PCIe) there is another hdmi cable that goes to my LCD monitor (BenQ Zowie RL2455)

WackyVids wrote on 12/20/2018, 10:38 AM

Also I have disable so4compoundplug it didn't change anything the video is still lagging

WackyVids wrote on 12/20/2018, 10:40 AM

Do I need to download a pluggin or codec that would help me fix this problem?

NickHope wrote on 12/20/2018, 10:51 PM

Do I need to download a pluggin or codec that would help me fix this problem?

As disabling so4compoundplug did not help then re-enable it; it is under constant improvement with each release. Then try installing the new VEGAS Pro 16 Update 3 (build 352).

There is not a plugin or codec that will fix your playback issue by itself. As described in that smooth playback post, you may have to use proxies, or record an easier format, or transcode your footage to an easier format, or ultimately upgrade your hardware.

You could have a play with the ImportAssist script in HappyOtterScripts. It will enable you to batch-rewrap or transcode your footage on import, resulting in files that Vegas may be happier playing with zero or minimal loss of quality. If a simple re-wrap to mp4 doesn't work, try transcoding to x264 with a crf value around 18-23.

WackyVids wrote on 12/22/2018, 9:49 AM

So I have found my problem It seen that the Vegas Pro 16 preview screen can't take on videos that are recorded at 60fps. If I make a video that is 30fps there is no problem it plays really smooth but if I play the 60fps video it lags really bad. But I need 60fps in my videos to make it worth watching

j-v wrote on 12/22/2018, 11:06 AM

But I need 60fps in my videos to make it worth watching

Like I told and showed you before on the Dutch Vegas Forum, Vegas 15 and 16 have no problem playing that kind of files real time in Preview/Full without extra DRAM usage set in the default Vegas amount.
No need to make the framerate of your footage lower than you are saying you need. If everything on your hardware is uptodate the only reason could be your maybe too weak GTX Titan, from which I don't know any specification.
Also possible reason is your way of capturing is making files that can not realtime being played on a Vegas timeline. In that case you have to look for another program that can do this.
See below (again) my footage, that has higher dimensions (2,7K) played in Vegas 16, but it is the same in Vegas 15.

Phong-Tuan wrote on 12/22/2018, 11:10 AM

I have the same problem here.
In my case:
- My vegas just preview smoothly when preview mode is "Auto" >> the dimension just 480x200x128.
But when I try to preview (half or above) the preview will lag, the frame of video going slow down. Even I try to pre-render it by (Shift+M) >> It's still lagging when I play that section.
The file in the timeline is just an Mp4 normally (23.976fps)

I was tested with Vegas 15, and everything is going well. play very smoothly at Preview "Half"

SO i think the new update for Vegas 16 has some problem here.
Please check that, it's very uncomfortable when editing with preview just 480x200 pixel.

klt wrote on 12/22/2018, 12:34 PM

"480x200x128"

Do you really need 32 bit / channel video? I doubt.

Please check your pixelformat in project properties.

Phong-Tuan wrote on 12/23/2018, 12:05 PM

"480x200x128"

Do you really need 32 bit / channel video? I doubt.

Please check your pixelformat in project properties.

Yeah, I know, I don't really need that option when editing (we can set it to 32 bit again until we render) but I tested in Vegas 15 and everything is okay. So Vegas pro 16 may have some problems that we don't know

Former user wrote on 12/23/2018, 2:35 PM

@WackyVids

You can kindly upload an original video file for us to review. Preferably a very short one with only a few seconds. About 30 seconds is enough.

NickHope wrote on 12/24/2018, 2:34 AM

@WackyVids And please upload that sample to a cloud service (e.g. Dropbox, Google Drive, OneDrive, mega.nz, wetransfer.com or mediafire.com), not using the button, which will recompress it.

WackyVids wrote on 12/28/2018, 10:05 AM

So I have uploaded a 30 second video on my OneDrive and made a link (hope it works)

https://1drv.ms/v/s!AqFVAakuNexngeBD4jgVcdeH9QVlPw

WackyVids wrote on 12/28/2018, 10:17 AM

I also disabling so4compoundplug again

I have made some videos with OBS (Open Broadcaster Software)

Recorded videos with the following formats : MP4( MPEG-4),TS (Telesync),Mov (MPEG-4)(QuickTime)

Also used these Encoders : x264 en nvench. H.264

so I had a total of 6 type of videos and all of them weren't good still I experience the lag in the preview screen

j-v wrote on 12/28/2018, 10:50 AM

No problem here on laptop to play that file fullscreen without visably lags also not on full screen in staed of preview screen.
The only thing I cannot get is that you live in a PAL-country and use a NTSC framerate like I told you on the Dutch Vegas Forum but this may never be a problem. Something must be wrong on your computer concerning amount of memory, used RAM or amount/place for virtual memory.

NickHope wrote on 12/28/2018, 11:32 PM

So I have uploaded a 30 second video on my OneDrive and made a link (hope it works)

https://1drv.ms/v/s!AqFVAakuNexngeBD4jgVcdeH9QVlPw

This sample plays smoothly for me also at a steady 59.94fps at Best (full) preview quality. I have GPU acceleration of video processing OFF and so4compoundplug is enabled. My CPU is a Intel i7-5960X overclocked to 4.3GHz.

Not sure what to suggest if you've already tried everything on the smooth playback post. It's a strange case. Do you have some other process going on on the computer that might be using a lot of CPU?

WackyVids wrote on 1/4/2019, 4:48 PM

I've looked in the task management and run the Vegas Pro program and also played a video clip and it only used 22% from my CPU and I got a Intel i7-7700 @ 3.60GHz

james-ollick wrote on 1/4/2019, 5:54 PM

So I have uploaded a 30 second video on my OneDrive and made a link (hope it works)

https://1drv.ms/v/s!AqFVAakuNexngeBD4jgVcdeH9QVlPw

This sample plays smoothly for me also at a steady 59.94fps at Best (full) preview quality. I have GPU acceleration of video processing OFF and so4compoundplug is enabled. My CPU is a Intel i7-5960X overclocked to 4.3GHz.

Not sure what to suggest if you've already tried everything on the smooth playback post. It's a strange case. Do you have some other process going on on the computer that might be using a lot of CPU?

I tried it with the Best (full) preview with the GPU acceleration of video processing ON and got 48fps.

Then with Best (Auto) preview with the GPU acceleration of video processing ON and got 59.94fps

Then with Best (full) preview with the GPU acceleration of video processing OFF and got 59.94fps

I have a RX580 graphics card and and old PC that I built with an i7 950 @ 3.07GHz.

Why would it be faster with the GPU acceleration of video processing OFF?

WackyVids wrote on 1/6/2019, 11:21 AM

So it seem like the problem for me is not the Vegas Pro program but it is the computer itself.

Than the big question is what is that problem because I have no idea😅

NickHope wrote on 1/6/2019, 11:20 PM

Try unchecking "Enable QSV Encoding and Decoding (where available)" in Options > Preferences > General then restart Vegas. Please let us know if that has an effect.