VEGAS Pro Post is still there:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.com/int/vegas-pro/

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Indeed it is. Never said it wasn't. But the subscription licences, the 365 product, are gone. Which tells a story.

Ominous is right.

I sent Magix Support this enquiry:

Vegas Pro Post 365 seems to have disappeared from the sales pages on your website
in the last few of weeks (it was definitely there at the end of May). There no
longer appears to be any form of subscription licence options available, neither
annual nor monthly.

Is there a reason behind this? Is Post to be discontinued, presumably when Vegas
Pro 22 is released?

And this is their reply, hot off the press, confirming my supposition:

We are planning to discontinue the VEGAS POST bundle with VEGAS Pro 22's release.

And that's sad. Still, silver lining is I no longer need to worry about whether Boris Continuum will ever work 100% with Vegas Effects ...
 

Curious as to which BorisFX didn't work in Post..

But it is sad how Artlist destroyed FXHome....

Many of the BCC+ effects do not work for me in Vegas Effects (they are all fine, of course, in Vegas Pro). When I add them to a track Vegaes Effects crashes almost immediately to desktop with an "Incorrect function" error raised by BugSplat-fxhome_vegaseffects_win-HitFilm

I know some (perhaps all) appear to work for others, but with Continuum not actually supported on Vegas Effects (nor the product it is derived from, HitFilm Pro) I can't get any support to get to the bottom of this. All three parties involved, Vegas/Magix, BorisFX and FxHome have said in the past that it isn't their responsibility

Nothing like passing the buck so to speak. I've used the bcc plus plugins without any issue. Film Stocks I've used on a few occasions. But it would seem to be a Hitfilm and the horrid Artlist who purchased FXHome and ran it into the ground to be at fault.... and no, VE isn't officially supported.

I've used the bcc plus plugins without any issue

So had I previously. Problem for me started with Vegas Post 20

Red Giant muffled by Maxon, then ArtList (apparently a recent start up company at the time) squishing HitFilm, and the next contender for being slashed from its former glory is iZotope now under Native Instruments ownership. With the latter, there are so many recent negative opinions about iZotope on SpectraLayers' forum from current and former iZotope users particularly in regards to RX. BTW, SpectraLayers Pro was created under Sony ownership and then moved to MAGIX in 2016 (with the sale of SCS to MAGIX) and then ownership soon changed to Steinberg where SpectraLayers has since thrived.

@MikeS I'm on vacation right now so I will not be able to test anything specifically, but what specific bcc+ doesn't work in Vegas post 20?

@Dexcon it seems that these mergers and takeovers aren't working out so well. I can only look to what happened with Corel with their rebranding. The demise of paint shop pro, video studio pro, Pinnacle studio and a host of other software.

I just hope that this will not happen with Magic.

The demise of paint shop pro, video studio pro, Pinnacle studio

What demise? The Corel websites are still there and Alludo is still selling the software. I still regularly get Pinnacle sales emails. It's just their community forums that were "retired" so users set up new ones.

It may still be for sale, but Pinnacle hasn't been updated since 2022, as far as I am aware. And Paint Shop Pro 2023 was released in 2022. Again, no major updates in about 20 months

Re Pinnacle ... there are quite a number of reviews (via a Google search) about what I assume to be the just released Pinnacle Studio 26 circa April last year so it seems that it is still alive and kicking.

Re Corel, I did not know that it had become Alludo; nonetheless, I have for months frequently been getting 'Corel' emails offering PaintShop Pro 203, VideoStudio Pro 2023 and other 'Corel' 2023 products for ever-increasing bargain basement prices. Over the years, Corel have usually released the next version with the following year used in the version title in around Q3 of the previous year. Even though these products are still for sale at what seem to be 'remaindering' prices, my gut feeling is that these products are on the way out. I hope that I am wrong.

circa April last year

Yes, but the reviews lagged the release. Pinnacle Studio 26 was released in August 2022.

 It's just their community forums that were "retired" so users set up new ones.

If my memory serves me correctly, this was also the first "symptom" that Artlist was killing FX Home, shutting down their forums.

Since Magix has put out an official statement on Post not being in VP22, I guess I can go ahead and comment on it... just know that nobody at VEGAS wanted this. I think they are still working with Artlist to ensure that VP22 works with previous versions of effects. I hope that they are able to soon come up with some sort of replacement for it. If I had to guess, it would come a little bit at a time in the form of updates to VP, likely across several versions. You don't just build an app like that overnight. Honestly, if they can overhaul the masking system to make it work just like it does in VE, where it is all integrated directly into the preview monitor and there's no need to add a masking effect like we have to currently, and have masks appear under each video track they are applied to with parameters we can adjust such as scale, position/transalation, etc., that gets us most of the way there already. VEGAS already is a powerful tool for creating motion graphics, it just needs a UI overhaul in that dept.

Then we just need some nice tools for generating and animating outlines, particle effects, and some nice new lens flare effects to create those cinematic flares and film burns, and we'd be really close to replacing the need for an external effects suite.

"What happens in VEGAS stays in VEGAS." - We'd be a lot closer to realizing that idea at that point.

just know that nobody at VEGAS wanted this

Absolutely. I certainly attach no blame to VEGAS for this. Just a shame, as someone else said some time ago, that VEGAS were not able/in a position to buy up FXhome instead of ArtList; Effects is a great set of complimentary tools to Vegas. And I'm not sure that Vegas can be retooled to add in what Effects does. Sure, as you say, they could enhance the masking engine, and add some of the effects. But what about Behaviours? Cameras (and thus camera projection)? Lights? Proper 3D ...

to ensure that VP22 works with previous versions of effects

I sure hope so.

And I'm not sure that Vegas can be retooled to add in what Effects does. Sure, as you say, they could enhance the masking engine, and add some of the effects. But what about Behaviours? Cameras (and thus camera projection)? Lights? Proper 3D ...

All of that could be added to VEGAS, but those are things that would come later. If they were going to start beefing up VEGAS to be able to compete with AE, Hitfilm, Fusion, etc... the obvious place to start would be redoing the masking system, then adding a particle system, lens effects, and then they could move on to tools for virtual cameras/camera projection, the ability to import 3D models, etc. To start with, however, they'd want to give motion graphics artists the tools they need to create catchy logo animations, animated lower thirds, etc. easily, and that would come with an update to masking, particles, line tracing effects, lens flare effects, etc.

VEGAS already supports scripting, so that's one area where they could exceed what hitfilm can do, and go toe to toe with After Effects, enabling scripts that automate certain tasks in the motion graphics world, like making something rotate a certain amount at a certain speed without the need for keyframes, etc.

My grand vision of the VEGAS ecosystem would include full support for blender and C4D files, even allowing you to select which render engines to use when rendering those files in a project (so, for instance, we could import a C4D file, have all the cameras in that file imported with it and be able to select the different angles and edit them, then tell it to render using Octane ray tracing when we go to render the video).

VEGAS already has Mocha VEGAS now, so motion tracking and the like is already handled. I'd also like to see a version of VEGAS that included the full version of Mocha as a pack-in.

The sky is the limit, really... they are rewriting VEGAS from the ground up as we speak, so why not give it those capabilities? It would be years down the line, but nothing wrong with setting goals and dreaming big.

While Corel branded products are still being sold, there has been no updates for PS, VS, PSP for a couple of years now. Shutting down the public user forums was the first indication of things closing down. Next, was the lack of activity in the beta testing groups. Yes, I was a beta tester for all 3 of those products listed above, some for over a decade.

First, there was the massive unexpected releasing of all the key personal. The Project Managers that I've known for years were let go. It was a surprise to them. Then the consolidation of project development falling to a couple of people who lacked the communication skills to answer basic questions. Then, the shutting down of the beta forums which were on Centercode.

Alludo took over to salvage what could be, without doing any real investing. Then I guess they will sell off the scraps to anyone who cares to spend the money on old tech/code.

I had slowly switched to Vegas with the Humble Bundle VP14 Edit and haven't looked back since. And for those orphaned PS/VS advanced users, I've recommended VEGAS, and for them to download the trial version and test it out. I also mentioned how friendly and helpful the user forum is for new and old users.

I knew as soon as Artlist took over FXHome, it was the end.

Thank you so much @Reyfox for the background about Corel ... very interesting indeed, but very sad about what has happened in recent years.

Maybe Artlist might be willing to sell the FXhome products,since they've lost intererst ... And maybe VEGAS could magix up the necessary funding ...

I can dream, can't I?

With Magix having recently gone through a restructuring, chances are slim on that, but I too would love to see it.

With Magix having recently gone through a restructuring, chances are slim on that

Yes, that was going through my thoughts when I posted the above. Hence it only being a dream ...

@Dexcon it was sad because so many products that were good for the average consumer are just wiped out. And now they keep spamming having a sale, or there's a humble bundle for a 3-year-old product. But that is how software business goes.

As for FX home if Magix took them over they would have another editing software they do not need and a host of people that are using it. What will happen with them. If they could have just bought the Vegas Effects side it would have been great I would think. And yes we can dream.