Vegas render for youtube??

buckaroo wrote on 1/10/2007, 10:44 AM

Am using Vegas 7 and must say that its brilliant!

However this may be a common question but want to know the best settings for rendering to upload to youtube?

Many videos on there use the standard mp4 format which i believe youtube says is the best, as its usually under the 100mb limit.

But these look very grainy once they are uploaded! i have tried .MOV with quicktime as i heard from someone on youtube that they use this to render and upload their files as this quality is better (and i must say it is after veiwing his video on YT)

I have some 5 minute videos that look great in Vegas but i have no idea when it comes to rendering? I have tried several times with different formats as Vegas doesnt seem to give you a "file size estimate" before you go ahead with the render? ....so you have to sit there and hope for the best..

Does anyone have any settings for a good quality video render upload to YT? my video's seem to come out around 135mb or 360mb which is over the limit?

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john-beale wrote on 1/18/2007, 11:02 AM

If you want a streaming video site which is very similar to YouTube (including feedback from other members, personal channels etc.) but provides better video and audio quality, try LiveVideo.com. http://www.livevideo.com/info/help.aspx?section=3

LV recommends uploading .mov format at 445 x 334, which I think is the displayed resolution. YouTube only gives you 320x240, scaled. LV takes the usual formats: avi, .mpg, .mpeg, .mov, .dvr-ms, .mpe, .mp4, .mp2, .asx, .asf, .wmv, .3g2, .3gp, .flv, and .divx. Like YouTube, they output in .swf format only. The limit per upload is 100 MB file size, with no time length limit.

Youtube forces your sound to mono, LiveVideo does not, and the sound quality is quite good. Check out for example this nice classical guitar piece: http://tinyurl.com/ywmh35

or the full URL:
http://www.livevideo.com/video/D7703FE3A029401D878B6BAB75256620/peo-kindgren-plays-barrios-vals-op-8-no-3.aspx

john-beale wrote on 1/18/2007, 12:56 PM

Actually LiveVideo only gives you very slightly better video resolution, however it does seem to look better, and the audio is stereo and definitely sounds better. Details below from a test file I uploaded to both sites, downloaded the resulting FLV, and analyzed.

item Uploaded YouTube LiveVideo
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Length 34 sec 34 sec 34 sec
Size 31.0 MB 1.10 MB 1.93 MB
Res 445x334 320x240 352x288
Aspect 4:3 4:3 4:3
Codec QT MP4 FLV FLV (Sorenson Type 8)
Video 8192 kb/s 226 kb/s 381 kb/s
Audio 1411 kb/s 46 kb/s 96 kb/s
Rate 44.1k 22.05k 44.1k
Format WAV stereo MPEG2-L3 mono MPEG1-L3 stereo

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Original: Quicktime at 1024 kbps, 44.1/stereo uncompressed
31.0 MB (32,578,768 bytes)

YouTube download:

file size: 1.10 MB (1,156,316 bytes) length: 00:00:34
YouTube: .FLV 226 kbps 29.645 frames/s 320x240
audio: 22050 Hz, 46 kb/s (1 chnl) MPEG-2 Layer 3

LiveVideo download: http://www.livevideo.com/media/playvideo_fs.aspx?fs=1&cid=13974F9C104442FA967DF9C8105B697B
file size: 1.93 MB (2,027,447 bytes) length: 00:00:34
LiveVideo: .FLV (Sorenson Type 8) 381 kbps 29.968 frames/s 352x288
audio: 44100 Hz 96 kb/s total (2 chnls) MPEG-1 Layer 3

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.FLV files captured from streaming sites by Replay A/V 8
http://www.applian.com/replay-av/

.FLV files analized by GSpot "codec information appliance" v2.60
http://www.headbands.com/gspot/
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Jeff_Smith wrote on 1/18/2007, 7:17 PM

Edit: I have determined that this is just a rumor, so I deleted my comment

farss wrote on 1/19/2007, 12:01 AM

Anyone tried using Stage 6, the new DivX site, some of the material on there looks just stunning.

Jonathan Neal wrote on 1/19/2007, 12:05 AM

I wish Stage6 would really take off. It's biggest downfall at the moment is that you need to download a program to use the site. The same would be true about YouTube, but Flash has had nearly a decade to make itself stand.

NickHope wrote on 2/17/2007, 8:58 PM

Has anyone yet apart from deusx uploaded an flv video and had YouTube not re-encode it but deliver it as is?

Serena wrote on 2/17/2007, 10:02 PM

Stage 6: yes, I've uploaded a few videos. Have to be in DivX format but they provide the software to convert. Free for 15 days! But cheap, anyway. Render out of Vegas as mpeg or wmv. I've rendered wmv as 720 25p and looks fine. Can cut down a lot more if you want fast loading.

NickHope wrote on 2/17/2007, 11:44 PM

I would say if Stage6 are charging for the tools, and the videos can't be embedded elsewhere, and you need to download a program to use the site, it will never take off in a big way. It will just remain a site for people who are more passionate about the quality of the video. It does seem to have helped breathe new life into DivX though.

Serena wrote on 2/18/2007, 3:24 AM

Well Stage 6 isn't charging for the software, but it will accept video only in DivX format. So technically I was wrong is saying they charge for it, but if you don't have a DivX encoder they direct you to a place you can get it. If you want only to look, then no problem. Actually I don't have any objections to paying for software I wish to use and don't understand people who think this unfair. I wished to use the site as an easy way to give some people access to a short in which they featured. I reckon Stage 6 provided me with a service and not I them. If the quality wasn't good I wouldn't have been interested. Hard for me to believe that anyone who puts any effort into their work wouldn't be 'passionate' about quality.

mikkie wrote on 2/18/2007, 1:00 PM

For sites there's also
http://grouper.com
http://www.blip.tv/
http://video.search.yahoo.com/
check out http://mefeedia.com/ ?

Markapsolon wrote on 2/19/2007, 11:56 PM

AVC PSP mpeg4 works great.

Markapsolon wrote on 2/20/2007, 12:00 AM

youtubes encoder is not that great. Go to livevideo.com. LV encoder is so much better