Vegas to Youtube, Vimeo, Web -- A New Look

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amendegw wrote on 3/30/2011, 6:32 AM
Okay, here's a question for the group - or maybe specifically for musicvid.

What about 1920x1080 60p? More cameras are beginning to shoot to this format and I'm not able to find a good intermediate render as a source for HandBrake. Neither DNxHD or MXF will allow me to match the 1920x1080 60p project/source clip settings (am I missing something basic here?).

So, I my conclusion is to render using MainConcept AVC/AAC encoder to a high bitrate mp4 and use that as the source for HandBrake.

On the other hand, maybe the way to do this is to let Vegas reduce the fps to 30p, then DNxHD & MXF are options. After all, the end-result will be 1280x720 30p. (although it would be nice to host "action shots" via JW Player at 60p).

So, what's the best practice here?

...Jerry
musicvid10 wrote on 3/30/2011, 9:16 AM
Jerry,

Select one of the DNxHD Progressive presets, then select 59.940 or type in 60 (depending) in the Vegas custom video tab.

I haven't tried this specifically, but it is how I get true 30p from dslr source and project.
Let me know if it works for you.
amendegw wrote on 3/30/2011, 9:47 AM
musicvid,

You are the man! Worked great. Because there was not a 59.94 fps Progressive option in the DNxHD config, I thought it was not allowed. I chose the 1080p 25fps option in the DNxHD config & 59.94 fps in the "Quicktime 7" panel - and it worked like a champ! All the way thru a HandBrake Render @ 59.94 fps.

The following screen capture is for anyone else who needs to solve the same issue:


...Jerry
musicvid10 wrote on 3/30/2011, 10:11 AM
Did you have to select "Same as Source" frame rate in Handbrake to get that 59.94?

I ask that because not all devices (iPad for one) do not fully support VFR yet, from what I read on the HB forum.
amendegw wrote on 3/30/2011, 11:46 AM
"Did you have to select "Same as Source" frame rate in Handbrake to get that 59.94?Yes, I did select "Same as Source". I'm not sure I understand your comment about VFR, but it's interesting that somehow the Frame Rate got changed from constant to variable in the HandBrake render.

First the DNxHD render:


Next, the HandBrake render:


...Jerry
musicvid10 wrote on 3/30/2011, 11:51 AM
Right, "Same as Source" is variable frame rate (realtime scan). It's been a problem for encoding to some devices (Apple).
JHendrix wrote on 4/20/2011, 12:15 PM
my project:

1920x1080
29.970
progressive


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I am a bit confused about DNxHD settings


it has been mentioned "use project settings for DNxHD"


I dont see my project settings as option.

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also in Vegas i am confused about deinterlace method setting


amendegw wrote on 4/20/2011, 12:49 PM
JHendrix,

Starting with the post 8 posts up, the process is explained (although the question was for 1080 60p rather than 30p). Specifically here's a screenprint.



This might be worth a challenge from others, but I think your deinterlace settings should be set to "none" - no deinterlacing is being done. You're not de-interlacing.

...Jerry
amendegw wrote on 4/20/2011, 1:05 PM
"This might be worth a challenge from others, but I think your deinterlace settings should be set to "none" - no deinterlacing is being done. You're not de-interlacing."Replying to my own post, I've set up a new thread to discuss this here: Resizing on Render

...Jerry
JHendrix wrote on 4/20/2011, 1:42 PM
thanks

i look pretty darn good with the setting you suggested. but the mp4 is 60MB for roughly 3 min video?

is that about normal in this workflow or would i be able to reduce that size (assuming in handbrake settings) and keep about the same quality?
amendegw wrote on 4/20/2011, 2:12 PM
On the HandBrake "Video" tab, you can increase the CQ:RF or decrease the Avg Bitrate to reduce your file size. You will probably have to go thru some trial & error to get the smallest file with the best quality. Hint: start at an RF=30 and reduce from there if you're looking for as small, low bitrate media file.

Good Luck!
...Jerry
JHendrix wrote on 4/20/2011, 3:12 PM
Hint: start at an RF=30 and reduce from there if you're looking for as small, low bitrate media file.

I will give it a shot, I actually had it at the default RF20 and got the 60MB

update:

Looks like RF-25 was the magic number on this clip. Got it down to 22MB

essami wrote on 5/24/2011, 8:44 AM
Can someone shed a little more light to how the Constant Quality RF settings compares to the Bitrates I'm used to?

I just rendered a music video at Constant Quality RF: 20 and got a file the size of 60MB and it looks VERY similar to an AVC encode from Vegas at 6000kbps. But that renders file size is 160MB!!!

This is awesome!

Sami
musicvid10 wrote on 5/24/2011, 9:00 AM
The one disadvantage of Constant Quality is that there is no accurate connection between the CQ setting and conventional variable bitrates, nor can one predict the final average bitrate. The biggest advantage is that it optimizes quality in half the time and more efficiently than conventional vbr.
essami wrote on 5/24/2011, 9:14 AM

Is there advantage of feeding Vimeo an even higher quality video at CQ RF 15 for example?

So is it a question of giving Vimeo what it needs or giving it the best possible file to do it's own compression from?

I don't mind extra 15 minutes time to encode nor do I mind a filesize of 150MB vs. 60MB.
musicvid10 wrote on 5/24/2011, 9:21 AM
There is not advantage of going below RF 19 for anything. Lots of documentation on the Handbrake forum and wiki.
musicvid10 wrote on 5/24/2011, 9:29 AM
Sami,
Check your email.
;?)
essami wrote on 5/25/2011, 4:26 AM
Thanks Musicvid!

So how do I get better quality? I have a video that is full of fades and it looks really bad when compressed. Or is simply impossible to get it to look good when compressed to mp4 for playback on my computer (with CQ RF slider)? Or are you only referring about uploading it to Vimeo or Youtube?
musicvid10 wrote on 5/25/2011, 9:30 AM
My note about fades applies only to Youtube, and I don't know anything that can be done about that. Uploading higher bitrate, even CBR, doesn't help.

Fades should look fine on your PC after following the Handbrake tutorial.
Nick Hope wrote on 5/25/2011, 10:47 AM
Nothing you can do about it for YouTube. Time to get creative with the transitions! But unfortunately when you start trying to replace dissolves/fades with anything else, things get cheesy very quickly. Anyone got any suggestions for a classy substitute for a dissolve/fade, that won't generate into a mess of blocks and pixellation on YT?
essami wrote on 5/25/2011, 12:48 PM
Hahaha! I was doing exactly that, getting creative with transitions!

I shot a music video where the lights go on and off every three seconds. It's essentially a fade in and fade out, about 200 of those in the video ;)
musicvid10 wrote on 5/25/2011, 1:04 PM
Try it on Vimeo instead. They are much better about blocking in fades.
essami wrote on 5/25/2011, 1:52 PM
Yes it's on Vimeo at the moment (private as it's not released yet). It's not bad at all if you look at it without going full screen. Just was wondering if there was anything more that could be done to enhance :) I don't use Youtube that much anymore due to the bad quality.
amendegw wrote on 5/25/2011, 2:24 PM
"Just was wondering if there was anything more that could be done to enhance"You could always host the video yourself. Click HERE for a 2Mbps version of musicvid's test video.

....Jerry