Vegas vs Resolve stability

Laurence wrote on 6/2/2016, 9:02 PM
I just did another project between Vegas and Resolve. I'm still using Vegas because of my familiarity with the program, plus some optimism related to the Magix takeover. One thing I notice about Resolve vs Vegas is that Resolve is so much more stable. Vegas crashed on this project at least forty times. Resolve, maybe three, and only before I figured out the optimal configuration. Why at version 13 is Vegas still so iffy when it comes to larger projects? Is it because of VFW code being stone-aged? I would be happy if Magix just got rid of VFW, added 10 bit video support, and made it somewhat stable.

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wwaag wrote on 6/2/2016, 9:41 PM
Is it because of VFW code being stone-aged?

See this thread. http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/showmessage.asp?messageid=945576

and altarvic's conclusion:

To summarize: Vegas uses VFW only to work with AVI format.

OldSmoke wrote on 6/2/2016, 9:49 PM
Did your project by any chance include mov files?

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

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astar wrote on 6/2/2016, 10:34 PM
No word on your workflow, system specs, codecs being used, or what the poster deems a large project.

I would start with the system hardware and make sure the problem is not there, then move on checking the version of Vegas that is being run. Just because Resolve works means very little. It could mean that Resolve junks your GPU, where Vegas is trying to use what you have unsuccessfully. Who knows.

When you build a stable configuration that properly supports Vegas, Vegas is very stable.

John_Cline wrote on 6/2/2016, 11:05 PM
If both Vegas and Resolve crashed at all means you have a problem with your machine. I simply can't remember the last time any piece of software crashed on any of my machines.
Wolfgang S. wrote on 6/3/2016, 4:02 AM
Hmm....

- Vegas is dammed stable it you use Cineform as an Intermediate.
- Vegas offers a 10bit workflow if you use the 32bit floating proint project.
- not every codec will be decoded as 10bit by Vegas. Cineform is great, ProRes is a NoGo.
ushere wrote on 6/3/2016, 6:20 AM
i've worked the same project side by side in vegas and resolve - yeah, i know, but i was curius and i wasn't under any pressure...

things were (as usual) much faster in vegas for cutting. resolve lacks some of the 'quick' tricks that are standard in vegas.

audio is vastly superior in vegas

once past the cutting (dnxhd, png, psd, wav, aiff) and onto fx (mostly ken burns), titling, and cc'ing vegas crashed about once an hour. resolve had one freeze for the whole edit. vegas was well into double figures.

tl playback (hd) was good on both, but better in resolve once i started cc'ing

either way they both have their strenghts and weaknesses as do ALL nle's.

i await with interest as to what happens next with vegas..
K-Decisive wrote on 6/3/2016, 9:58 AM
+1 on Wolfgang and. ushere

Cut video and mix audio in Vegas, CC in Resolve, use cineform and life is good.

Resolve being more 'stable' is a bit relative. Sometimes I'll do the simplest thing and it will freeze up for 30 seconds for no reason.
NickHope wrote on 6/3/2016, 2:07 PM
"If both Vegas and Resolve crashed at all means you have a problem with your machine."

With respect, that's not necessarily true John. Those of us who experience crashes may be stressing the software in ways that you don't. I have a lot of multi-media programs on my machine and the only ones that ever crash are Vegas and occasionally Firefox.
Serena Steuart wrote on 6/5/2016, 2:57 AM
DaVinci release 12.5 has over 250 new features. BlackMagic are serious about making it the NLE of choice and will be interesting to see whether the new features make Resolve into a more intuitive NLE. When I started with Vegas 5 I was surprised how much I could do without too much reference to the manual. A manual is essential when starting out on Resolve.
Laurence wrote on 6/8/2016, 6:52 AM
Normally my Vegas projects are very simple and it is quite stable. In the case of this past project where V13 was not stable, what happened is that I had some 4:3 aspect ratio PowerPoint slides that I needed to fill a 16:9 frame. They all had the same graphics at the top and bottom so I made two extra PNG layers: one a background, the other an overlay with alpha transparency.

The one other thing that was going on was that I had some shine on the face and chest that I wanted to get ride of. The lady was well lit, but with a window in the background. When I tried toning down the highlights in the face, I also lost detail in the background. I got around this by copying the video to a second layer, taming the highlights in the bottom layer (with damage to the light colors in the window behind the subject), then chroma-keying just the shiney parts out of the face in the top layer. This let me tone down the highlights in the face but keep the light details in the background window. It actually worked very well.

This meant that my project had two layers of video and three layers of PNGs. This is the level of complexity that was making Vegas crash constantly. After much frustration, I ended up merging the PNG layers and then I was fine, but really, Vegas on an i7 quad core with 16GB of RAM and 4GB of AMD video graphics should handle this just fine.

The main reason I was also using Resolve was for the "smooth edit" function. The video was full of mid sentence awkward pauses, and rather than do jump cut edits, Resolve's smooth edit kind of morphs between the frames of an edit if the motion is in close to the same place to make it look far smoother. This seems to be a pretty resource intensive process, and I was getting some crashing when I did this repeatedly in Resolve until I figured out the frame caching settings which worked quite well.

My complaint the other night with Vegas was that it was constantly crashing with two layers of XDcam MFX video and three layers of 1920 x 1080 PNGs. I felt that even though this is complex for me, it is still a relatively simple level of complexity and Vegas should have been able to handle it without crashing.

Resolve doesn't do some things as well as Vegas, yes that's true. Resolve has some pretty cool tricks that Vegas can't do though. That smooth edit thing is simply amazing.

I really hope that this new Magix relationship is positive. I will certainly be upgrading to whatever they do with Vegas 14 because I love Vegas enough to put up with whatever happens.
ushere wrote on 6/8/2016, 8:09 AM
+ 1 laurence.

vegas is GREAT for fast, efficient cutting, and audio sweetening. as soon as it gets loaded up with an assortment of media it becomes a roller-coaster, with ctrl+s every few minutes.

resolve on the other hand seems to take whatever i throw at it in its stride*

*and compared to what i read other people are doing with it in regards to multiple nodes etc., i'm barely taking it anyway ;-)
xdcamer wrote on 6/8/2016, 5:55 PM
I find resolve a very promising editor. I think the UI and edit tools are excellent along with the super tracker and colour correction. The only area that lets me down is the limited delivery formats. I still have clients who require DVD and Blu-Ray but the AVC or MPEG formats are not included... Hopefully this will be something to come down the tracks but certainly BMD have done a lot in a short space of time.
xdcamer wrote on 6/9/2016, 1:40 PM
With regard to your original question I have experienced very few freeze ups or crashes but the annoying thing is that while Vegas allowed you to recover aback up I found I lost unsaved work even though the auto save was set to the minimum 5 minutes. So I find resolve fairly stable and hopefully it will only improve as time goes on. On Vegas I have almost no crashes which I think is mainly down to my hardware and its compatibility with Vegas.