VERY SLOW Proxy Creation Times in VP 18; VP 17 is About 4X FASTER!!

Videoimpressions0622 wrote on 10/8/2020, 7:14 PM

I STILL am having a number of issues with Vegas Pro 18, mainly that it is so SLOW!! I tested it against Vegas Pro 17, and it is significantly slower in just about every category. Yes, I DID uninstall/reinstall VP 18 a number of times, each with the same results, AND my graphics card is disabled in both Vegas versions.

 

1) Since I had no visible render progress box in VP 18, Steve Rhoden at Creative Cow suggested that I install SeMW extensions. I did so, and I now see a render box when rendering and this extension does not appear to negatively affect VP 18’s operations.

2) Creating video proxies: a 31 second clip took 55 seconds in VP 17 and a whopping 4 minutes, 44 seconds in VP 18—UNACCEPTABLE!!

3) Although my system uses VP more efficiently with my graphics card disabled, in VP 17 I have three choices in Preferences-File I/O Hardware Decoder to use: Intel QSV, AMD UVD,  or NVIDIA NVDEC; I only have Auto (OFF) or Off options in VP 18. Evidently VP 18 is NOT recognizing my graphics card!

4) VP 18 is supposed to save preferences. When I reinstalled VP 18 earlier today and reloaded my saved preferences, it appeared only to save the editing screen background color and my window layouts. None of my customized toolbars appeared and I manually had to search for and refresh my non-Magix Audio VST plugins (Waves and New Blue). This was a great disappointment, too!

5) An anomaly with VP 17, as well…EVERY time I run VP 17 I have to reregister and reactivate the software before it loads!! A quick check in my Magix online account shows that the software IS activated and registered! What’s going on??!!

 

Here are my PC specs:

- Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit

- Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3820 CPU @ 3.60GHz

- 32721 MB RAM

Graphics card: AMD Radeon HD 5800 Series (1024 MB)

 

Grant it, I have an older PC but it still works well for me (sans VP 18). So should I just use VP 17 to create the proxies and then edit in VP 18? Maybe just a new graphics card will solve the problem? Or perhaps I need a new, state-of-the-art PC to allow VP 18 to recognize my system’s full potential? What do you think?

 

Any advice would be much appreciated!

Thank you in advance.

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JN- wrote on 10/8/2020, 7:43 PM

@Videoimpressions0622

 

3) Although my system uses VP more efficiently with my graphics card disabled, in VP 17 I have three choices in Preferences-File I/O Hardware Decoder to use: Intel QSV, AMD UVD,  or NVIDIA NVDEC; I only have Auto (OFF) or Off options in VP 18. Evidently VP 18 is NOT recognizing my graphics card!

There is a thread here https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/there-is-no-nvdec-in-pref-file-i-o-hardware-decoder-to-use--123900/#ca773631 that deals with item 3), I expect it will be addressed in the next update.  Maybe post your item 3 query there.

It's possible that some of your other issues might go away when that’s resolved also.

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Former user wrote on 10/8/2020, 8:08 PM

2) Creating video proxies: a 31 second clip took 55 seconds in VP 17 and a whopping 4 minutes, 44 seconds in VP 18—UNACCEPTABLE!!

 

They experimented with using hardware encoding to build the proxies. If perfected could create them very fast and not use much resources. The happy otter guy got it working well. But internal vegas version is very slow, it's a bug. if you don't have NVENC, not sure what it does,maybe it can use your AMD hardware encoder, or maybe it creates them via software encode, but then if it's creating 1080P AVC's using software then that would be a terrible idea as it's going to be slower and use more resources compared to the old proxy generation. For ease of playback on many systems I don't think you want 1080p AVC proxy files. especially at 60P it can make older systems very laggy, maybe 720P or an option to select resolution

andyrpsmith wrote on 10/8/2020, 8:34 PM

Graphics card: AMD Radeon HD 5800 Series (1024 MB) does not meet the min requirements for V18, it needs 4GB on board RAM.

(Intel 3rd gen i5@4.1GHz, 32GB RAM, SSD, 1080Ti GPU, Windows 10) Not now used with Vegas.

13th gen i913900K - water cooled, 96GB RAM, 4TB M2 drive, 4TB games SSD, 2TB video SSD, GPU RTX 4080 Super, Windows 11 pro

john_dennis wrote on 10/8/2020, 9:04 PM

"I have an older PC but it still works well for me (sans VP 18)."

I have a 12 year old Core 2 Quad system that still works, but I haven't tried to load Vegas Pro 18 on it.

"So should I just use VP 17 to create the proxies and then edit in VP 18?"

No. Just use 17, if it gets you through the night.

"Maybe just a new graphics card will solve the problem?"

Since a lot of the work on later versions of Vegas deals with GPU Decode, fX acceleration, and Encode, you're at a profound disadvantage with your hardware. A graphics card that's less than a decade old would likely help, but you won't get the full benefit from it because of you system PCIe bus. You're at PCI Express Revision 2.0 while the state of the art is PCI Express Revision 4.0.

"Or perhaps I need a new, state-of-the-art PC to allow VP 18 to recognize my system’s full potential? What do you think?"

I think people who edit video should change their systems every four years whether they need to or not.

wwaag wrote on 10/8/2020, 9:23 PM

@Videoimpressions0622

If you want to create proxies a lot quicker, you might consider giving HappyOtterScripts a try. The latest build has a new tool KwikProxy which is significantly faster than native Vegas. In addition to GPU supported AVC, there is also an option for MPEG-2 (XD CAM) proxies without the usual 720P limitation. Here's a link to a thread which gives some comparisons of creation times and a demo. https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/quicker-proxy-creation--124298/

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