ok i will try that out now and i will show you my screen shoots of my results

ok i'm not sure if i followed your details correctly because you confused me with the bottom left and bottom right but here is my version with screen shoots

Your top left event should have location setting of 0.250, 0.750. The others look OK.

Personally I still prefer the old fashioned way with trackmotiontool or pancroptool to achieve this composition, no maths needed.

3POINT can you explane or show me in a video demo please

I'm pretty sure the "old fashioned way" will work in at least Vegas Pro 4-14. I've studied and used more math than most of the population, but I don't feel the need to make the process more complicated than necessary. If you plan to divide your screen into four equal segments, then you are building an array that is two segments wide by two segments high. If the video that you are using is the size of the project, then you need to reduce one dimension by a factor of two while holding the aspect ratio constant. Pan / Crop does that for you if you select the Lock Aspect Ratio button. For 1920x1080 media, you can type 3840 into the Pan / Crop Width field and the apparent media width and height will each be half of what it was.

You can then use Track Motion to place the media where you want it on the screen. I was able to do it in under three minutes. If you do this often you could create a blank project for reuse and you'd never have to do it again.

Still, I'll try PIP when I get around to trying Vegas Pro 15.

Oh hell, just watch the video...

The maths in the Picture-In-Picture method is easier for me than the other methods, and I find it quicker and more intuitive.

Note that I am CTRL-clicking the events on the lower 3 tracks to select all 3 of them before I paste event attributes.

It looks easy enough.

thanks for the video demo by the way i have downloaded both of yall videos so i can look at them (if that's ok with the both you guys) ? thanks again for both of you guy's help

With my method you can of course apply the Picture in Picture FX manually, one-by-one, to each event. You don't have to copy and paste event attributes. I just did that to save a few seconds.

I have no tool to capture my workaround but I can describe it here:

Insert 4 Videotracks (CTRL+Shift+Q) in a for example 1920x1080 project.

A. Trackmotiontool

1. Click Trackmotion button first track and change Heigth to 540 save this setting as a preset (25%). Enable snapping and set Grid spacing to 4. Move the frame to the top left corner with mouse.
2. Click next Trackmotion button, call preset 25% and move frame to top left corner.
3. The same procedure for the other two tracks.
4. Add your media to the tracks.

To set up 4 tracks this way takes about 20 sec.

B. Pancroptool

1. Add your media to the four video tracks.
2. Click Pancroptool button on videoevent on first track, enable snapping and set Grid spacing to 8.
3. Drag with mouse and hold Alt key to the desired corner.
4. The same procedure for the other events on the other tracks.

To set up 4 events that way takes even less than 20 sec and no maths needed.

Every time I get involved with one of these, I learn more than anyone else. I do have recording software so here is what 3Point said with regard to Track Motion.

I wasted time with my first video by mixing Track Motion and Pan / Crop. There is a deep, dark reason for my using Pan / Crop to size the video and Track Motion to place the video, though. There is an 8X limit in Pan / Crop on the resizing capability. Pan / Crop works fine for arrays up to 8X but if you want to have your array become infinite, you have to use another tool or a combination of tools.

I would like the Picture in Picture effex (v12 doesn't have it) but if one needs to do the whole track, not just a few events, then Trackmotion is the most efficient.

Nice video John, it demonstrates almost exactly what I explained, just a little bit slower :).

The same with the pancroptool goes even much faster, besides of course the limitations of the minimum size, you mentioned.

The advantage of trackmotiontool and the pancroptool is the snapping possibility, which the PIP Fx doesn't have, which makes accurate placing and seizing without maths possible.

Also the PIP Fx has to be applied each time manually, the Trackmotiontool and the pancroptool are already present.

The only advantage that I see with the PIP Fx, is the possibility to work directly in the preview screen.

Okay, did not realize you could apply the Picture in Picture effect to a track. I don't have this version of Vegas.

Since I cannot use the Picture in Picture effect, my comparison would be useless.

some one wrote this From Facebook Group

I would setup 4 pan/crop presets, one for each corner. And then you can just apply them as needed. So the pan/crop window would be twice HD1080 - 3840 x 2160 - assuming your project is set to HD1080. I don't think you need to do anything different for the HD720 source since Vegas should be expanding it to the project size of HD1080, but I haven't tested this. The X, Y points are (0,1080) the upper right corner, (1920, 1080) for upper left, (1920,0) for lower left, and (0, 0) for lower right.

You can use the pancroptool to a certain level to achieve a 4 Window composition. The normal tool to achieve this is the Trackmotiontool, which has also the possibility to setup presets.

When you use the pancroptool for creating a PIP, you're losing the possibility to crop that PIP.

You can use the pancroptool to a certain level to achieve a 4 Window composition. The normal tool to achieve this is the Trackmotiontool, which has also the possibility to setup presets.

When you use the pancroptool for creating a PIP, you're losing the possibility to crop that PIP.

yeah that is true that's why i try not to use PIP as often for stuff like this and secondly that is also the reason why i asked about the numbers and diving or timesin them or what every it's called

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