So to end somewhere. You propose VP 19. Project targeted to the files i have most, 1920x1080.

Also should i convert with Shutter Encoder all my files? Both mpeg and mp4?

I would only convert the mpeg files as I did not notice any problem with the mp4 ones in VP 19.

I gave all the details in my post at the bottom of the first page.

Thanks. i will start the testing in VP 19 with your suggestions

In VP 19 do i need the legacy AVC decoder? The HECV decoder is enabled from scratch. Do i need any of them enabled/ticked?

Your footage is AVC so the HEVC settings don't matter. I would leave the legacy AVC decoder unchecked.

Its meaning in 19 is different than 21 (the legacy decoder in 21 = the regular decoder in 19).

I inserted my mp4 files in VP 19. The quality is downgraded. I attach a link with my two original mp4 files. Only the converted mpeg file that you prossesed works smoothly.

Watch in the second video how shades appear in the fence at the left

Herre is he link of my original files https://we.tl/t-UIMCUts0nB

I upload a photo with how my video appears in VP19 while in media player is so natural and smooth. Also the bird looks pixeled not natural. And its an mp4 file! how can this happen?

@hitman47

Herre is he link of my original files https://we.tl/t-UIMCUts0nB

To the download link: sorry, but what type of "original footage" is that? It seems to be progressive footage, but shows the typical interlaced lines. In other words - that is converted footage, but not original mp4 files.

Was that converted by VP19?

these are my original files from Huawei p30 lite. the original files. I didnt do anything with them. When i insert them to vegas pro, both in 19 and 21 they get a bit pixelled. What ever i do they get pixelled. But i assure you they are the originals. I can share more if you want

The pixelation looks related to interlacing. However the AVC MP4 video is progressive, not interlaced so what is going on here?

The file "1-PanamaCity11.mp4" I downloaded looks totally fine to me.

In VEGAS make sure the project properties are set to progressive (so not upper field first but "none"). View it in best/full quality. Right click on the display and uncheck "adjust size and quality for optimal playback" so you can stay in the highest quality view.

I thought I shared project settings but if not please copy these exactly.

Here is a screenshot from my VP 19 with your video file. Looks fine to me.

Sorry it doesnt work. the only differense was FULL RESOLUTION REDNDERING QUALITY i set it to full

I unchecked ADJUST SOURCE MEDIA TO MATCH PROJECT OR RENDER SETTINGS

However i notice a differense. in RESAMPLE MODE i dont have an OPTICAL FLOW option

Also where is this option i cant find it "Right click on the display and uncheck "adjust size and quality for optimal playback" -> Where is this display?

@hitman47 I have some better settings for ShutterEncoder. I did some testing and these seem to work in VP 21.300 even if legacy AVC is not checked. Please try it yourself:

For the display I meant the big preview window in VEGAS. Right click there where the video plays back.

Optical flow is just to make the 25fps and 29fps difference look a bit smoother. Are you using the final version of 19 which is build 651?

No Vegas 19 381

So I should return to 21. Is should encode both mpeg and mp4 files with the latest above settings?

Well if 19 works you have everything but optical flow. 21 should work with the new settings. Just convert the mpeg footage.

The problem starts from the beggining. What ever settings i choose neither VEGAS 21 nor VP 19 can play smoothly an mpg4 file. Without legacy AVC is better, but whatever i do i have the feeling that there is a bit distortion, a degradation to the quality of the video. only the converted mpeg file with ShutterEncoder plays smoothly. So i may have to convert all my files? 500+ of them just because VP can't play smoothly a single mp4?

I am so dissapointed with vegas. It should'nt be so hard to find some settings to do the job. It just shouldn't.

I'm not seeing problems here so I wouldn't just blame VEGAS.

If your computer is very old it will have trouble playing back media at full speed. My laptop from 2017 is playing them without a problem- Intel HD 630 iGPU + GTX 1050 GPU.

You can change the preview quality to preview/full for a better framerate. Under the preview window it will tell you what the framerate is.

I see no distortion or degradation of your mp4 phone video, though I am only working with a single file. What do you mean by distortion?

You can change the preview quality to preview/full for a better framerate. Under the preview window it will tell you what the framerate is.

After i do this, the quality for the mp4 is ok in VP21. I hope and after the rendering, it would be the same.

Now the ShutterENCODER fro the mpeg files. I have almost the same settings with you, but i have Video Bitrate

When i select AUTO video size comes out about 3-4 mb. Original is 18. When i select 25 or 3o fps it comes 70-80 mb. Yours was 7. Why? I am usinh H264 encoder. From 18 mb t0 3, its a big diffrense.

My PC is I5 6 generation 4cores, 8 gb ram, GPU GTX 1060 3GB

Glad the quality and playback performance are okay. The rendering is set to high quality (best) so even if the preview doesn't look perfect the render should look very good.

Good question on the bitrates. I found the auto setting gives very low bitrates and I'm not sure why. I picked a CQ of 20. 23 is good and lower numbers are better. 20 is better than 23 so better than average. For really well shot files I use 17 or so.

I think the reason for the small file size is that there isn't actually much image detail in the original file. It's low resolution, not very sharp and there's a lot of motion. Furthermore MPEG2 is much less data efficient (less compressed) than MP4. ShutterEncoder considers this when picking how much data is needed per frame. So you probably don't need anywhere close to 18mb.

I have the last version of ShutterEncoder v18. I am not so comfortable to proceed in my project. Your file was about 7 mb when while mine only 3, when the original is18.

I cant reproduce the file you processed and encoded. What did you do? Can you send me again the settings in SE v18.

I am sharing two of original mpeg videos. Can you reproduce the same quality in mp4?https://we.tl/t-hheiVIZaLN

Thanks again for your time and effort. We are very close.

If you're worried about x.264 producing a lower bit rate and perhaps lowering the quality of your source media, you could use Apple ProRes LT or 422. LT produces moderate file sizes (especially for media with lower pixel dimension like your 720x576). Just do the deinterlacing.

General
Complete name                            : Z:\Panama Test\M2U01167_1.mov
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : QuickTime
Codec ID                                 : qt   0000.02 (qt  )
File size                                : 54.6 MiB
Duration                                 : 23 s 40 ms
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 19.9 Mb/s
Frame rate                               : 25.000 FPS
Encoded date                             : 2024-04-17 15:01:13 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2024-04-17 15:01:13 UTC
Writing application                      : Lavf60.20.100

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : ProRes
Format version                           : Version 0
Format profile                           : 422 LT
Codec ID                                 : apcs
Duration                                 : 23 s 40 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 18.4 Mb/s
Width                                    : 720 pixels
Height                                   : 576 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 25.000 FPS
Standard                                 : PAL
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:2
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 1.770
Stream size                              : 50.4 MiB (92%)
Writing library                          : Apple
Encoded date                             : 2024-04-17 15:01:13 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2024-04-17 15:01:13 UTC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : PCM
Format settings                          : Little / Signed
Codec ID                                 : sowt
Duration                                 : 23 s 40 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 1 536 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Stream size                              : 4.22 MiB (8%)
Default                                  : Yes
Alternate group                          : 1
Encoded date                             : 2024-04-17 15:01:13 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2024-04-17 15:01:13 UTC

Other
ID                                       : 3
Type                                     : Time code
Format                                   : QuickTime TC
Duration                                 : 23 s 40 ms
Frame rate                               : 25.000 FPS
Time code of first frame                 : 00:00:00:00
Time code of last frame                  : 00:00:23:00
Time code, stripped                      : Yes
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : No
Encoded date                             : 2024-04-17 15:01:13 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2024-04-17 15:01:13 UTC

We crossed to the opposite corner. Too big files. From 18mb to 90. And i have about 300 of them. Not accepted.

i want some settings with h264 decoder.

Also appart from the file beeing very smaller, when the camera is moving, i see some king of picture corruption or blurring. I am nto satisfied. There must be something that doesnt affect the quality.

more problems. For just 1.5 minute it took almost 4 minutes to render, 125 mb and the final quality of the mpeg part had problems at the borders of the screen. I think its doomed. VP can't deliver.

Do you have any complaints with this 1920x1080-29.970p video from your two files?*

Download From Here

* Other than poor acquisition quality.