VP 13 super-fast with a GTX 1080 GPU acceleration

megabit wrote on 8/19/2016, 12:57 AM
Hi guys;

Just as a heads-up: I replaced my modest Quadro M2000 (which was working OK with Vegas) with the new GTX 1080 GPU (from Asus) - and wow! Didn't test rendering times yet, but the preview on my Secondary monitor (actually the Samsung SUHD TV) is really breath-taking! Not only do I get full and super-stable 50 fps preview of my DCI 4K @50Hz, 4:2:2 10-bit footage (it used to be some 30 fps only with the M2000 GPU), but even with the project settings at 32-bit float, and the ACES conversion applied to the Slog3/S-gamut3.Cine footage plays back at almost fulll speed, as well (some 45 fps at Best/Full, solid 50 fps at Preview/Half). Plus - while I was getting the usual stuttering and occasional tearing of the full-screen preview with the Quadro - with this GPU the picture is super steady and the motion so smooth; for the first time I can really appreciate the "feel" of full 4K@50 fps... Gosh, is it soooo smooth :)

Recommended!

Piotr

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Grazie wrote on 8/19/2016, 1:55 AM
I'm truly interested.

Piotr, was this a straight swap? Same CPU? How much onboard RAM? Did you need to do anything?

What is the complete spec? Gotta a link to the product?

G
megabit wrote on 8/19/2016, 2:27 AM
Grazie,

Yes, I simply swapped the Quadro M2000 card (which went for duty in another, CAD-only workstation) with the Asus made GTX 1080 (http://www.asus.com/us/Graphics-Cards/TURBO-GTX1080-8G/). You can read the card's specs there.

I've just also updated my System #1 in my Forum Settings, so you can look it up there.

I really and without any reservations recommend this card (not necessarily from Asus - I chose this brand to best match my system' mainboard). Cheers,

Piotr

PS. Oh, and it's much cheaper than any Quadro or FirePro card with 8GB of memory - this I require not so much for Vegas Pro, but for Resolve Studio and its extended set of features like HDR or Noise Reduction).

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megabit wrote on 8/19/2016, 3:01 AM
Also of interest for those seeking the full 2160p@50/60Hz, YCbCr422, 10 bpc support for their preview monitors (nice with VP, a must-have for Resolve):

With my previous card (Quadro M2000) I was unable to connect it in the 10-bit color mode to my 10-bit and HDR-capable, Samsung SUHD TV (model 49KS8000), using any of the 2 DisplayPort-to-HDMI2.0a active adapters (from Club3D or UPTab); with the GTX 1080 8G having a native HDMI 2.0 port, it is easy as 1-2-3.

Piotr

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Grazie wrote on 8/19/2016, 3:18 AM
Piotr, thanks.

I'm seeing this card for >=£625. What did you get it for?

G
megabit wrote on 8/19/2016, 7:15 AM
Well - not much cheaper, Grazie :( I paid some GBP 550. But it's well worth the money, believe me.

Piotr

AMD TR 2990WX CPU | MSI X399 CARBON AC | 64GB RAM@XMP2933  | 2x RTX 2080Ti GPU | 4x 3TB WD Black RAID0 media drive | 3x 1TB NVMe RAID0 cache drive | SSD SATA system drive | AX1600i PSU | Decklink 12G Extreme | Samsung UHD reference monitor (calibrated)

Former user wrote on 8/19/2016, 7:41 AM
Thanks for the info on this new card, I was considering getting it also, only problem is that my 6 year old GTX 580 may still render out faster, using h264 mainconcept. (SVP MC known issues of not supporting later cards for render gpu assist) This may change with svp 14, hopefully.

Did you by chance see any improvement in render times also?

I accept that playback is/may be more important for some than render times.
megabit wrote on 8/19/2016, 8:06 AM
OK, so with MC AVC it's really not accelerating much - the Sony VP 13 PressRelease test render taking 01:13 with or w/o CUDA (I must tweak my system, as this is really strange).

BUT, with Sony AVC it zipped through the render in just 35 seconds. Fast enough for me.

Piotr

AMD TR 2990WX CPU | MSI X399 CARBON AC | 64GB RAM@XMP2933  | 2x RTX 2080Ti GPU | 4x 3TB WD Black RAID0 media drive | 3x 1TB NVMe RAID0 cache drive | SSD SATA system drive | AX1600i PSU | Decklink 12G Extreme | Samsung UHD reference monitor (calibrated)

megabit wrote on 8/19/2016, 11:14 AM
So I found some time to tweak it a bit, and now my render time for that project in MC AVC is just 48 seconds with CUDA. Not as fast as Sony, but closer.

Piotr

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Former user wrote on 8/19/2016, 11:22 AM
Way to go! It should be even faster (render times) in SVP 14 if Magix supports modern cards.
NickHope wrote on 8/19/2016, 10:01 PM
I would encourage anyone about to invest in a new GPU to hang on until next month, when we know what V14 likes. If you have to buy one now then consider the AMD RX480 too. It appears to do as well as, or perhaps better than the GTX1080 in Resolve, and if V14 continues the trend of favouring OpenCL over CUDA then it's probably a better bet for Vegas. Presumably RX490 etc. are in the pipeline too.

Any hints on this subject from MAGIX or those in the know would be most welcome.
megabit wrote on 8/21/2016, 12:35 AM
Your advise makes a lot of sense, Nick (assuming we indeed will get a completely revamped, and already representative of future development direction, Vega Pro 14 in September - which I doubt) - my specific situation made me do the investment earlier, mainly because of resolve (which also is a rocket with this GPU). I had to get my system work in 10-bit on my external 10-bit and HDR-capable monitor, and if so - check with my own eyes which of the 2 contradictory information I was getting about Resolve being or not able to use it for its own internal 10-bit video monitoring... Unfortunately it isn't, and in order to have it one needs to spend as much as $1,500 on (otherwise obsolete and legacy) Decklink 4K Extreme 12G HDMI-2.0 card :-( I just had this card held for me by a BM re-seller for a much less price, but only by this coming Monday - but before making this expensive decision, I needed to be absolutely sure I need it - even if my system is capable of connecting to my monitor in 10-bits. Now I am, and am facing this expense if I want to grade in 10 bits, used HDR and other goodies (one thin k that also helped me make up my mind was a short "Lightnings in HDR" clip Alister Chapman put on Youtube yesterday:



It's an eye-opener as to the real beauty of HDR, but the severe banding saw in youtube 8-bit only compression confirms that my current hardware is not enough to convey 10-bit, and the Deklink is essential... So - if Magix Vegas 14 is still as efficient with my GTX 1080 as VP 13, and BlackMagic doesn't completely re-vamp their software so that it also can make use of the secondary system monitor's 10-bit output - my expenditures will be well-based and practical for some years to come. IF - on the other hand - VP 14 shows up in September, and it's even more OpenCL than CUDA - oriented than VP 13, plus BM is about to make Resolve 13 work under Windows just as it does on the Mac (which allows to make use of the GUI 10-bit monitoring) - I'll feel robbed by some $2,500 :( But I deeply doubt it - hence my current hardware investments). After all, Resolve Lite has only made free so that "perfectionists" like myself are made to buy this outdated Decklink I/O thingy (of which I'll only be using HDMI monitoring, and all the Capture capabilities along with all the SDI I/O will never be needed), not to mention upgrade to the $1,000 Resolve Studio, which is the only way to actually grade/export in HDR, do Noise Reduction, Image stabilization etc.

I've only described all this for the users out there to facilitate THEIR hardware purchase decisions; if any of them only wants the "right" GPU acceleration for the incoming Magix Vegas Pro 14 - they should definitely wait as you advise, Nick.

Piotr

AMD TR 2990WX CPU | MSI X399 CARBON AC | 64GB RAM@XMP2933  | 2x RTX 2080Ti GPU | 4x 3TB WD Black RAID0 media drive | 3x 1TB NVMe RAID0 cache drive | SSD SATA system drive | AX1600i PSU | Decklink 12G Extreme | Samsung UHD reference monitor (calibrated)

NickHope wrote on 8/21/2016, 12:50 AM
Thanks for the explanation Piotr.

The whole realm of correct monitoring with Resolve and working with 10-bit seems like a bit of a minefield. I'm kind of glad that I'm staying with everything 8-bit (GH4) and 1080p monitoring for now.

Bear in mind that there are apparently some cheaper dongles for Resolve Studio on the market, from people who got them with hardware but don't need them. Perhaps half price or even less. Try eBay.

Here's that video embedded:

megabit wrote on 8/21/2016, 3:00 AM
Good points, Nick.

Also, I'd like to add that some advanced features in Resolve Studio actually *need* nVidia GPU, like for instance:
Real time playback and grading with spatial noise reduction using CUDA GPUs.
High quality temporal noise reduction using CUDA GPUs.

So I don't think my decision to buy the GTX 1080 has been a pre-matured one...

Piotr

AMD TR 2990WX CPU | MSI X399 CARBON AC | 64GB RAM@XMP2933  | 2x RTX 2080Ti GPU | 4x 3TB WD Black RAID0 media drive | 3x 1TB NVMe RAID0 cache drive | SSD SATA system drive | AX1600i PSU | Decklink 12G Extreme | Samsung UHD reference monitor (calibrated)

NickHope wrote on 8/21/2016, 5:51 AM
Thanks Piotr. I didn't know about those CUDA-only features. I will definitely be hanging on to see what V14 brings then. I wonder if Black Magic will make those features GPU-agnostic in due course.
Wolfgang S. wrote on 8/21/2016, 6:36 AM
@ Piotr,

not sure if I got you right.

I undestood that Resolve will NOT show HDR outputs from the GTX 1080? Is that correct?

So in other words, to get an HDR output for Resolve Studio you will need the Decklink 4K Extreme 12 anyway? By the way, I do not think that the Deckling 4K is outdated really.
megabit wrote on 8/21/2016, 7:34 AM
Unfortunately, you got me right, Wolfgang :)

Piotr

PS IMPORTANT: Resolve will NOT use 10-bit preview from ANY other GPU under Windows at this time (including Quadro, FirePro etc. - not just GTX!)

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ushere wrote on 8/21/2016, 8:12 AM
to use resolve 'properly' you need a bm output card of some description. i'm using an older hd only intensity pro.

monitoring this way is far superior and more reliable than using the gui.

a dongle is only required for the studio version, the free version has some limitations, but if you're working hd, none of any consequence.
Wolfgang S. wrote on 8/21/2016, 9:33 AM
That is why I told you that you will need the Decklink 12G for HDR. For 10bit the 6G is enough.
megabit wrote on 8/21/2016, 11:12 AM
Exactly.

Piotr

PS Well - as afterthought, it also depends on what monitor inputs you have - and again, a simple money game from BlackMagic:

- you want to cheat with a cheap HDMI 2.0 monitor or TV? Fine, but you will need to pay premium for the Extreme 12G version, as only this offers HDMI 2.0a
- did you pay premium for an industry-grade, 4K HDR SDI monitor? Good boy, you'll get away with our cheaper 6G or Studio version; it only has HDMI 1.4b but you won't be using it, anyway :)

BTW, 6G/ HDMI 1.4b is not only won\t do HDR, but even Deep Color; also it's YUV only, not RGB 444.

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Wolfgang S. wrote on 8/21/2016, 11:25 AM
Well, I am not so sure if I will go toward HDR editing in near future. I have no HDR monitor installed at my PC, the Decklink that I have is the 6G Version only. And I do not have an HDR UHD TV up to now at all, but only the FS7.

So I think this can wait.
megabit wrote on 8/21/2016, 11:31 AM
Buy yourself a Samsung SUHD "Quantum Dot" TV; you 'll get 4k, 10-bit and HDR support.

Piotr

AMD TR 2990WX CPU | MSI X399 CARBON AC | 64GB RAM@XMP2933  | 2x RTX 2080Ti GPU | 4x 3TB WD Black RAID0 media drive | 3x 1TB NVMe RAID0 cache drive | SSD SATA system drive | AX1600i PSU | Decklink 12G Extreme | Samsung UHD reference monitor (calibrated)

Wolfgang S. wrote on 8/21/2016, 1:48 PM
Sure, but I am do not know yet if our NLEs are ready for HDR. Vegas 13 is not ready for HDR I think. 14 - do not know yet. Maybe using other plugins like LOOKs 3 or Hitfilm. 10bit support works at least but the preview is a questionmark.

Edius 8.22 has got a LUT plugin with the primary color corrector and now the GPU support - but XAVC I UHD 50p with the primary color correction still runs not great with my 8 core system. And the 4K UHD 50p support does not run with 50p too.

And the free Resolve version runs fine with UHD 50p also XAVC I - but HDR requires the 1000$ Studio version and the Decklink 12G.

So I am not sure - even with a quite new PC equipment - if HDR will work out for me now.
SphinxRa40 wrote on 9/27/2016, 6:12 AM

@megabit

And tested in VP14? working ? 

megabit wrote on 9/27/2016, 7:04 AM

NOOOOO!!!! It can only get some 9-10% load, which is slooow again :(

Piotr

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