VP13 vs PPro Render quality - Whoa!

Cliff Etzel wrote on 1/29/2015, 6:20 PM

Just finished a project for a client and having edited it in PPro CS6 at the time, I thought the final render looked soft/mushy. No matter what I did, it never looked quite right. Having read the discussion on the Handbrake script integration with VP13, I setup the one timeline and saved it so it could be imported into Vegas Pro 13 v428. Once I added the title graphics, denoise and transitions, I rendered out the VP13 timeline using the Handbrake script integration.

The image quality is night and day! The project rendered from Vegas Pro using the Handbrake script is far and away better looking to my eyes.

If I hadn't seen it with my own eyes, I wouldn't have believed it.

I'm still picking my jaw up off the ground at what I have witnessed with my own 2 eyes.

After having purchased an NVidia GTX 660ti to work with PPro CS6 in December thinking it was a "better" platform for editing, I'm now regretting not having given VP a chance to prove itself with a Radeon card. Can't afford the latest R9 290x cards, so what would the next best thing be? Radeon 6970? I"m sure @OldSmoke or @BruceUSA can hopefully chime in on this last part.

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Cliff Etzel wrote on 2/4/2015, 11:00 PM

One of my biggest gripes is the gamma shift that occurs in Vegas Pro when rendering out a project. I did a search but it didn't seem accurate for me in finding the answer - what's the trick in keeping the gamma from shifting during render?

musicvid10 wrote on 2/4/2015, 11:14 PM

The Levels filter?
Pls post examples.

Steve Mann wrote on 2/5/2015, 10:42 PM

I have a standing challenge at the local community cable channel, and given the same project, I finish faster than the PPro editor every time. Sometimes by hours.

Cliff Etzel wrote on 2/6/2015, 12:49 PM

@Steve Mann - I get what you're saying about speed and efficiency in Vegas Pro - I've experienced it myself, but I've also experienced more crashes in Vegas Pro period. Premiere Pro hasn't crashed once on a single project I've edited - but I am using a "recommended" NVidia based graphics card.

Then again, my Vegas Pro instability issues could be related to using an nVidia graphics card so I'm patiently waiting for my Radeon 6970 to be delivered early next week and will have a baseline according to @OldSMoke and @BruceUSA to compare it to. Who knows? Maybe the Radeon card is the missing piece of the puzzle in a stable workflow with Vegas Pro for me.

Cliff Etzel wrote on 2/6/2015, 1:29 PM

Others have posted inquiries about whether I had tried to frameserve from PPro to Handbrake and after posting that very question on the Adobe Premiere Pro forum, it appears Frameserving is more or less broken when going through PPro. The solution was to render out a huge Lagarith file and then go thru the process of opening it in Handbrake. Or Frameserve to TMPGEnc (and know nothing about - in addition to having to pay for the encoder)

IMO, another tick mark in favor of Vegas Pro.