Warp Flow Transition Causes Freeze

Phil_P wrote on 10/3/2021, 8:49 AM

Vegas 19 Build 381 / Windows 10

Simple steps to 100% repro here.

  • Add a couple of different large png pictures to the same track.
  • Crossfade them.
  • Add Warp Flow Transition by dragging to the X fade from the Transitions Window.
  • Vegas freezes.

If someone can confirm I will report to support.

New Repro which seems easier to get:

  • Add picture
  • Add Title with animated text (ie.Text 25)
  • Add Warp Flow Transition by dragging to the X fade from the Transitions Window.
  • Play / Stop
  • Vegas freezes.

Thanks,

P

Comments

DrinkyBird wrote on 10/3/2021, 9:38 AM

Yup. Followed those steps and VP froze as soon as I pressed play.

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Yelandkeil wrote on 10/3/2021, 10:56 AM

The stills I use are quite big enough.

But they didn't lead to freeze:

 

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j-v wrote on 10/3/2021, 11:11 AM

I also don't see this, all normal

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xberk wrote on 10/3/2021, 11:53 AM

I don';t see this .. Used 25meg PNG files and Warp Flow trans .. no problem here.

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Phil_P wrote on 10/3/2021, 12:39 PM

Hi guys, thanks for checking.

If you are interested to try some more. Just try a few different pictures of varying sizes and types (png / jpg). Make the crossfades quite long and maybe put it on loop as you are playing. Eventually it will break. Or at least it does here.

I am trying my best to narrow it down to a specific thing but not got that far yet. (see below).

All fully up to date inc drivers of course. However this is not a tech support request, just a report at this time.

Thanks again. I will post back once I have time to narrow it down further. :-)

Phil_P wrote on 10/3/2021, 12:46 PM

OK please try this (alternative steps to repro):

  • Use the attached (blue logo) file as picture one. Although this may well happen with any picture.
  • Use Title Text as no. 2
  • See attached screenshot. Drag the Warp transition over and play. Shortly after (or during) the transition the freeze should happen.

Use this graphic although I suspect this is not vital.

 

Note: I am using title text as a way to demonstrate the issue, as this seems to trigger it 100% of the time here, whereas with pictures it is not happening every time now.

j-v wrote on 10/3/2021, 1:33 PM

Also no problem I think, look

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walter-i. wrote on 10/3/2021, 2:31 PM

I also recently had problems with Warp Flow, sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't - that's why I did this test with interest - but in this case I have exactly the same good success as j-v.

If you find the bug, please let me know - I am very interested.
I will also do more tests when I get a chance and let you know if I know anything.

Phil_P wrote on 10/3/2021, 2:33 PM

Thanks @j-v

Yes with the Standard text it is fine. If you have the time, please try with a text that has movement like in my screen shot. i.e. Title 25.

Here it is 100%, will sometimes play but shortly after the transition it will freeze.

 

:-)

walter-i. wrote on 10/3/2021, 2:43 PM

Thanks @j-v

Yes with the Standard text it is fine. If you have the time, please try with a text that has movement like in my screen shot. i.e. Title 25.

Here it is 100%, will sometimes play but shortly after the transition it will freeze.

:-)


You're right - it also freezes for me with Title 25.
That means it is reproducible.

Phil_P wrote on 10/3/2021, 2:46 PM

Thanks @walter-i. Yes I also have easy repro with Title 25, although I have to point out that was not how I got the original repro. However I did have Title 25 on the timeline. Sorry the original opening post was misleading but at that time I was able to repro every attempt.

I have not yet had chance to test with other animated titles...

Former user wrote on 10/3/2021, 4:10 PM

It froze when I used a JPEG and title 25.

Yelandkeil wrote on 10/3/2021, 4:20 PM

It's not fair doing such test.

This filter requires 2 stills to warp, even the 2 clips are motion video, it throttles the last picture from 1 and the first picture from the 2 and warp them together. After that the clips go their motion.

So, if you use the extrim text animation, it exceeds the control of this filter.

Just my meaning.

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walter-i. wrote on 10/3/2021, 4:43 PM

It's not fair doing such test.

This filter requires 2 stills to warp, even the 2 clips are motion video, it throttles the last picture from 1 and the first picture from the 2 and warp them together. After that the clips go their motion.

So, if you use the extrim text animation, it exceeds the control of this filter.

Just my meaning.

@Yelandkeil
But warp flow is exactly for moving images - but maybe I don't quite understand what you mean.
So that we are talking about the same thing, here is Gary's explanation from minute 27 - 33:

Yelandkeil wrote on 10/3/2021, 5:02 PM

Here you can see what's going on:

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Phil_P wrote on 10/3/2021, 11:50 PM

It is not a fair test?

And therefore it is OK for this to cause a hang which will potentially mean you lose your work?

By the way in the video linked above, Gary also mentions clearly at 31:00:

You can also use the Warp Flow Transition as a special effect.

And tbh it is actually a very powerful transition and a great special effect.

Notes:

1. The use of text to was to help repro the issue. It originally happened with stills only.

2. Just because you don't get the issue, doesn't mean that others don't.

3. Nothing should be known to cause a crash and deemed to be acceptable because you didn't treat the software fairly. No developer will accept that.

 

Anyway the issue is clearly reproducible I will pass this to support fwiw. I was kind of hoping that one of the testers would jump in and submit this.
 

Thanks again guys. P.

 

 

Former user wrote on 10/4/2021, 12:21 AM

I agree, it should not cause a freeze. If it is being used contrary to design, it should give a warning that that transition cannot be used and continue on, not freeze/crash.

Phil_P wrote on 10/4/2021, 3:07 AM

I agree, it should not cause a freeze. If it is being used contrary to design, it should give a warning that that transition cannot be used and continue on, not freeze/crash.

Yes this is correct of course. Even if a feature is not being used as intended, I am sure that developers will not want to leave a hole that can cause a crash or a freeze.

Anyway, I have submitted this to Support with a note that it is not a support request, just submitting the issue and with a link to this thread fwiw.

btw. Warp Flow for transitioning between short Piece to Camera edits is a fantastic tool, almost magical. And it is also a great special effect too.

walter-i. wrote on 10/4/2021, 3:10 AM

I agree, it should not cause a freeze. If it is being used contrary to design, it should give a warning that that transition cannot be used and continue on, not freeze/crash.

Yes this is correct of course. Even if a feature is not being used as intended, I am sure that developers will not want to leave a hole that can cause a crash or a freeze.

Anyway, I have submitted this to Support with a note that it is not a support request, just submitting the issue and with a link to this thread fwiw.

btw. Warp Flow for transitioning between short Piece to Camera edits is a fantastic tool, almost magical. And it is also a great special effect too.

+1 to all

bitman wrote on 10/4/2021, 4:54 AM

yep count me in, Vegas 19 freezes (jpg 5s, title 25, standard warpflow transition) just play and Vegas freezes

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bitman wrote on 10/4/2021, 5:09 AM

Reproducible as well in Vegas 18...

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VEGASNeal1 wrote on 10/4/2021, 3:45 PM

@Phil_P, thanks for bringing this problem to our attention. I am able to reproduce the problem using the steps you described and will add it to our list of issues.

walter-i. wrote on 10/4/2021, 4:18 PM

@VEGASNeal1
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Phil_P wrote on 10/4/2021, 11:24 PM

@Phil_P, thanks for bringing this problem to our attention. I am able to reproduce the problem using the steps you described and will add it to our list of issues.

Thanks @VEGASNeal1 😀