What a GREAT night!!

Spot|DSE wrote on 4/19/2004, 11:21 PM

Hats off to the folks from the SCVUG and Sony for putting together one hell of a fun night. Vegas, Sound Forge, and ACID were all given away, several VP's from Sony were there, a few of them spoke. Jay Mitchell spoke for a few moments, and it appeared that Liam got all the important events on tape.
Gary Kleiner, Tim Duncan, Jeffrey Fisher, Mike Chenoweth, Bill Ravens, Sol and so many others from the forum were present, it was terrific to put faces to names.
Here at NAB, the buzz on the floor is centered around a few different products, and Vegas is certainly one of them. In the NAB publications, Vegas is everywhere. Sony is HUGE in their presence, and Vegas enjoys an area larger than any trade event in previous history.
Dr. Dropout, Dithermaster, Matt, and many other folks from the engineering team were present, as were users from as far away as Hawaii, Singapore, Japan, Australia, the UK, and Russia.

Thanks again to Jay Mitchell and his crew for pushing so hard to make this terrific coming out party happen. It was worth every second of effort, Jay and Sony. Liam, great to meet you, too! I hope your stream comes out great.
For the rest of you, I'm sorry you weren't able to make it to NAB, it's terrific to see Vegas finally coming to its own in the industry.
Damn, the booth, HD demos, SD demos, HDV demos are pretty incredible. Tim Duncan is demoing Vegas every hour, Gary Kleiner is demoing Vegas for B&H in their booth, Vegas is in the Black Magic booth, and being seen in many booths on the floor including my own Artbeats demos and my FMC Conference Demos.
Hope to see some of the crew at the VASST breakfast, Wed morning at the Sunset room/Stardust hotel next door to the Frontier, home of the SCVUG group.

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db wrote on 4/20/2004, 4:14 PM

never really thought about it before until you pointed it out there are 3 markets !! i forgot about broadcast !!!!

Nat wrote on 4/20/2004, 4:20 PM

I'm an hybrid audio/video guy and Red is very respected on the audio side, my respects to him.

rextilleon wrote on 4/20/2004, 4:53 PM

Rednroll---if you are going to sit their and claim that Vegas is primarily an audio tool then we will get absolutely nowhere. Vegas is primarily a video editing tool with fantastic audio features. Someone correct me, but if we polled audio professionals, what percentage do you think use Vegas Video as their primary audio software. I would say the number is very small. Maybe we should have a forum devoted strictly to people who use Vegas for audio only---You might see about three posts a month. C'est la vie--get over it.

Luxo wrote on 4/20/2004, 5:01 PM

Cheers, Rednroll. I learned Vegas as an audio recorder / mixer and produced and album before importing a single video clip. You're absolutely right -- Vegas is brilliant largely because Sonic Founrdry applied the same editing workflow to video as they had to audio. We owe a great debt to the program's roots.

The problem today may be that there is simply nothing like Vegas on the market, with such strong video and audio capabilities. People who take full advantage of both elements are extremely rare, and so both camps are relativly solitary. That's unfortunate, because that means even Vegas fanatics don't fully appreciate their program.

Anyway, it's good to hear the voice of an audio expert in the video forum. Take care.

Ben wrote on 4/20/2004, 5:05 PM

rextilleon - you make me laugh!

There is an audio forum! Right next door. Has been for a loooooong time. In fact, there used to be only one Vegas forum and, way back when, the Vegas forum was split into two - audio and video. The original audio posts remain in the video forum - search way back and you'll find miles of audio-only posts in this here forum. Vegas was a DAW way before it was an NLE. Now it's both.

Rock on Red. Rex - get with the program.

Ben

rextilleon wrote on 4/20/2004, 5:57 PM

Yeah---I messed up-but answer me Ben--how many audio pro's do you think use Vegas as their primary tool---now be honest Ben.

Ben wrote on 4/20/2004, 6:33 PM

I do. I'm an audio pro doing sound design, music and post for radio and TV in the UK. Thanks to me, a major UK radio group has Vegas installed throughout their building for broadcast audio production.. Many of my collaborators, colleagues and people I know in the industry here use it.

Yes, it's not used as widely as it could and should be, and that's a shame. But that's more of a fault of Sonic Foundry's and now Sony's lack of marketing to the audio community than problems with the software. Which, for audio, now completely rocks the socks of Pro Tools.

Ben

Spot|DSE wrote on 4/20/2004, 6:40 PM

Rex, you'd be surprised! Vegas was what finally pulled me full-time back to the PC platform in 98 with launch of Vegas Pro. Tal Bergman, Rod Stewart's producer, was being interviewed (on camera) about ACID, and he let it slip that the last two Stewart albums were primarily done in Vegas. Jon Anderson from YES is a big user, so is Alan White of YES, to name just a couple. I will say that those who NOW use Vegas for *most* of their studio work has probably diminished, only because SONAR, Nuendo, Logic, and a few other midi tools now have great audio function. But...with the new automation hardware interfaces and the wonderful access I now have for my automated plugs from WAVES and other companies, I'm lovin' every minute of it. For me, we have our A room exclusively for audio, except for monitoring picture, and no video editing is "allowed" in there. For the past couple years, we've been using a blend of Vegas, Sonar, and Nuendo. Recently, we needed to do an audio-only project for David O'Shields, and we did the entire score with just Vegas 5, hardware in place. Damn, it was wonderful, and a long time coming. Plus on the audio side, I can now get away without using my Antares tools quite as much.
So....majority of users are likely video users, but there are a lot of audio-only users in some pretty high places. BTW, several labels are now using Vegas for mastering because of the great competition to Sonic Solutions.

rextilleon wrote on 4/20/2004, 6:43 PM

Well Ben, I thank you for your response, but the way that Sony markets this thing is by calling it an NLE that has great audio tools. For instance, Vegas doesn't have the full compliment of fx that say Sound Forge has. Why do you think that is the case if Vegas is primarily an audio tool?

By the way, your friend Rednroll, who has never shown his face in this forum came in here very aggresively to tout what he had accomplished in getting Sony to add many audio features to the program. Then he attacked one of our forum members---because that member had the audacity to critcize 5.0. in relationship to features that are important to many video editors. Then he goes back to the audio forum and brags that he is educating the untutored masses. Hardly the behavior of a mature adult who claims to be one of Sony's favorites.

I wish you the best with your audio editing and I am sure that Vegas does the job for you very well.

rextilleon wrote on 4/20/2004, 6:50 PM

No doubt Spot--and yes I no that you can do incredible things with Vegas vis a vis audio. I think one of the problems is that Sonic and Sony are a little bit confused in the way they market the product. If I am correct, wasn't a recent iteration of Vegas called Vegas Video? It was marketed as a powerful NLE with audio features second to none. Beyond that, Vegas has always had about 80% of the fx set that Sound Forge, a dedicated audio product has. I guess the intent is to make the product equally powerful as a stand alone DAW, NLE and a combination of the two. This thing could grow into a monster (in a positive sense).

Ben wrote on 4/20/2004, 7:02 PM

Sorry, Rex, you're wrong again. This is how Sony describes Vegas:

"Vegas® 5 software is an all-in-one professional solution for editing video and audio on the PC platform."

(http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.com/Products/ShowProduct.asp?PID=914)

Video and audio it says. Hmmm. Can't find where it says "an NLE with great audio tools". Perhaps you can find the page and point it out to me?

As for Red, I'm happy for him to do his thing... (Red, we're friends now apparently).

Ben

rextilleon wrote on 4/20/2004, 7:14 PM

No you are wrong---check out the site and see how many times they call it an NLE with powerful video tools (actually thats the problem) By the way, you are known by the company you keep--now back to the audio forum.

SHTUNOT wrote on 4/20/2004, 8:59 PM

To ALL the people who are thinking of getting PPro...Please SHUT THE F@CK UP AND DO IT ALL READY!!!!.

When I saw the audio upgrade to VV3 I felt like all you video cry babies....but I still spent the money for the upgrade because I knew down the line that they would'nt forget us audio guys.

When I saw the audio upgrade to VV4 AND Acid 4[with ALL of acids initial bugs] I still felt like things were getting better but they had hit a bump in the road with the selling of the A/V line...I went out and bought Sonar to makeup for any missing [deal breaking] features missing from the two.

Now I see the audio upgrade for V5 and well...;)

I see no reason for anyone to not get PPro. The more tools the better.

See things the way I had to...It's a SOLID investment in your future with the app you MOST enjoy working in. I had to wait TWO versions. Quit your whinning wussies.

Ed.

Btw...The new gui does SUCK!!!! I A/B from 4 to 5 and I can't believe what has happened to V5 "BALLS". I asked for the return of a fader gui instead of those grey square boxes...I thought that Vegas Audio 2 fader gui was fine. What we got was horrible. Maybe parts of the "weak gui" can be changed for the 5.0b release???If not then I'll deal.

Nat wrote on 4/20/2004, 9:20 PM

I'm so glad to be a 50% audio 50% video guy.

PipelineAudio wrote on 4/21/2004, 3:12 AM

wrong Vegas IS a cult

you obviously havent slaughtered enough chickens or burned enough candles to be let in

The audio users of this app are RABID and keep running it no matter how much crap we gotta take from the Alsihad, cubendo and ilLogic camps

Rednroll wrote on 4/21/2004, 6:39 AM

Rextillion,
I came in defending Vegas and expressed my opinion of these cry babies because THEIR OPINION said it wasn't a major upgrade. Well sorry to burst your bubble and have to come in here and inform you and your wrongly opinionated leader that V5 is a MAJOR upgrade, especially as a DAW. Obviously your informative leader knows nothing about the audio side of the app, so we pretty much have the blind leading the blind, now don't we? Otherwise he might have come in here instead of reigning on the parade of this thread and said, "Vegas 5 has hardware control support, and auto-input monitoring, and track punch-in abilities, which makes it a true alternative to Protools in a Pro working environment!!!"

Rextillion,
You obviously are very ignorant to Vegas's history and the history of this forum. When you ever discover the powerful audio editing features that are right under your nose, we welcome you to come over to that "Vegas Audio" forum you said they didn't create that gets post there on a daily basis and I'll happily give you some help. I could even give you an informative history lessons of how Vegas progressed from v1.0 and how the forums took on their names and how Vegas's name progressed from Vegas Pro 1.0, to Vegas Audio 2.0 and Vegas Video 2.0, to Vegas Video v3.0, to Vegas v4.0, and Vegas v5.0. Ohhhh yeah, did you notice it dropped the word "video", in that progression? That's because us audio users in that forum that doesn't exist where upset about our pro audio editor being looked at as a Video NLE only program and losing it's credibility as the strong DAW program that it is. You can view Vegas as an NLE, which just happens to have some strong audio features, but there's a whole community that's been using Vegas for strictly audio since v1.0 and we look at it as a DAW, that just happens to have video editing features. I'm sorry to have had to turn your whole world upside down on your perspective of Vegas, but that's the truth.

Johnmeyer said:
"What I did say is that I don't want to see Vegas fall further behind in the marketplace"

Exactly John, and that's exactly what happened to Vegas in releases v3.0 followed by v4.0 on the audio editing market and Sony made the right decision to address this in this release. If you where a little more familiar with the audio features you would have known this. We also had a similar thread as the "Vegas 5 wish list" over in the audio forum, which was posted by one of the Vegas programmers, because Vegas 5 was slated to be a major audio upgrade. Near 300 posts on that thread and thankfully some of the major ones got addresed.

zendar wrote on 4/21/2004, 10:00 AM

i remember the vegas 1.0 launch which was DEFINITELY an audio multitrack app (i think it had video support in a similar way to sound forge) and it blew me away, just like acid 1 did...i've followed all the versions with interest since and have just shrugged when the focus was more on video, shrugged again when sf hit trouble and sony stepped in but whaddyaknow - v5 drops, it's a monster and there seems real likelihood that by 6 or 7 vegas will be fully mature and answering most of the oft-repeated requests

the ex-sf/sony team seem to be really listening, they may have been before but were constrained, it's great to see because its 2004 and theres STILL no easier software to use - vegas should rightfully be as dominant in its field as photoshop - maybe it still will be!

chaboud wrote on 4/22/2004, 12:11 AM

It's a little more involved than Bezier Masks (not that it really needed to be).

For now, take a look at this page or just go to my site and click on the top entry.

We'll get this stuff in the knowledgebase soon enough.

Jay_Mitchell wrote on 4/22/2004, 12:27 AM

How did Spot's Original Post of "What a Great Night" get Hijacked like this?

You guys have killed the significance of what was truely a great night for All Vegas Users - Even, those who were not in attendance.

Please have some respect and take the technical stuff to another thread.

Some of us worked our butts off for the past year to make that special event possible.

Jay Mitchell

chaboud wrote on 4/22/2004, 12:49 AM

Sorry Jay. I was trying to fill Nat's request rather than steer the conversation away from the original post.

It sounds like it was a monster event. I'm sure that the guys will come back to work with:

A) tales to tell
B) no memory of the event or the following day

Cheesehole wrote on 4/22/2004, 12:51 AM

>You guys have killed the significance of what was truely a great night for All Vegas Users

Get real - it's a conversation. Don't read anything more into it than there is. Things have been crazy here so just roll with it for a while.

Jay_Mitchell wrote on 4/22/2004, 1:30 AM

Cheesehole,

Spot's post is followed by three consecutive posts about the event. The NEXT 41 have NO CONNECTION what so ever to the original purpose of Spot's, Post.

Maybe, someone should have suggested that you guys make a new thread and cut and paste the techno stuff onto it.

There are alot of Vegas Users returning or about to return from NAB who would surely like to comment about the Sony Vegas Meeting / Party.

How about showing some respect and not become another Zippy!

Jay Mitchell

Grazie wrote on 4/22/2004, 1:41 AM

"The NEXT 41 have NO CONNECTION to the original purpose of Spot's, Post."

Hey Jay! Mine was . . I was half way thru' this thread! LONDON calling means a bit behind . .don't yah know .. . just wish I'd been there .. .sob sob sob . . or are you saying 'cos I wasn't there I shouldn't make a comment .. . Nah! Can't be that .. surely?

I for one am really glad you had a great "bonding " sess . . .all too frequently people forget that at the end of these "internet" connections are real people with . . real feelings? Making "true" contact is alll it can ever be about - yeah?

Best regards,

Grazie

Cheesehole wrote on 4/22/2004, 7:40 AM

>There are alot of Vegas Users returning or about to return from NAB who would surely like to comment about the Sony Vegas Meeting / Party.

So who's stopping them Jay?

>How about showing some respect and not become another Zippy!

Sheesh, use the threaded view if it bothers you that much. Respect? You crossed the line not me. You didn't say, "hey guys could you please form a new thread" you implied that everyone here killed something dear to you - as if anyone actually had malicious intent by simply responding to posts in a forum. Yeah, I need to learn some respect...