WHat would happen for Vegas to SCALE UP?

Grazie wrote on 6/27/2013, 6:12 PM
I'm researching a new monitor.

ASUS ProArt range. Here that would mean the 27" "ASUS Announces 27-inch PA279Q ProArt Series WQHD LCD Monitor"

But that monitor allows for 2560 x 1440. Now, what would that do for my 1920x1080 when being upscaled?

TIA

Grazie

Comments

videoITguy wrote on 6/27/2013, 6:14 PM
You appear serious
OldSmoke wrote on 6/27/2013, 6:16 PM
If you mean preview in full screen then it probably looks as bad as viewing 1920x1080 on my 27" iMac or as good as 1280x720 on my 23" 1920x1080 monitor. Computer monitors don't blur and upscaled video just looks... upscaled.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

Grazie wrote on 6/27/2013, 6:26 PM
So, I would need a 27" that was also 1920x1080 too for there not to be upscaling. Yes?

G

OldSmoke wrote on 6/27/2013, 6:44 PM
Yes, but you can also just size the preview window up to 1920x1080 and use the remaining real-estate for other docks. It doesn't make sense to get a 27" inch that again does "only" 1920x1080 because that would give you the same space on the screen. The higher resolution will get more "stuff" on the same screen and you can eventually do 4K.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

Grazie wrote on 6/27/2013, 6:52 PM
Ah! Gotcha . . . No, I was wanting to use the new monitor as a 2nd Monitor.

So would my 1920x1080 output "float" in the middle of the screen? Meaning I'd have a larger border around the edges - if I didn't upscale?

G

john_dennis wrote on 6/27/2013, 7:02 PM
"The higher resolution will get more "stuff" on the same screen and you can eventually do 4K."

The 27" monitor at 2560 x 1440 won't eventually do 4K. 3840 × 2160 or above will eventually do 4K.

My main system:
Motherboard: Asus X99-AII
CPU: Intel i7-6850K
GPU: Sapphire Radeon RX480-8GB
RAM: Corsair Dominator (4 x 4 GB) DDR4 2400
Disk O/S & Programs: Intel SSD 750 (400 GB)
Disk Active Projects: 1TB & 2TB WD BLACK SN750 NVMe Internal PCI Express 3.0 x4 Solid State Drives
Disk Other: WD Ultrastar/Hitachi Hard Drives: WDBBUR0080BNC-WRSN, HGST HUH728080ALE600, 724040ALE640, HDS3020BLA642
Case: LIAN LI PC-90 Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Case
CPU cooling: Corsair Hydro series H115i
Power supply: SeaSonic SS-750KM3 750W 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply
Drive Bay: Kingwin KF-256-BK 2.5" and 3.5" Trayless Hot Swap Rack with USB 3
Sound card: Crystal Sound 3 on motherboard. Recording done on another system.
Primary Monitor: Asus ProArt PA248q (24" 1920 x 1200)
O/S: Windows 10 Pro 22H2, Build 19045.2130

Camera: Sony RX10 Model IV

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OldSmoke wrote on 6/27/2013, 7:07 PM
It looks the same as playing 16:9 SD footage (720x480) on the 1920x1080 monitor. It will sit in the middle and the rest will be black borders. But I think you set that in Vegas; I mean scale to fit monitor or so it is called.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

videoITguy wrote on 6/27/2013, 7:14 PM
yep, scaling display value is actually a software phenomenon , even at just the OS by itself.
john_dennis wrote on 6/27/2013, 7:19 PM
"So would my 1920x1080 output "float" in the middle of the screen? Meaning I'd have a larger border around the edges - if I didn't upscale?"

Yes

Yes

The size of the 1920x1080 patch on the monitor would depend on the pixel pitch of the particular monitor.

The spec for the ASUS ProArt 24" is: Pixel Pitch 0.27mm
I couldn't find the pixel pitch for the PA279Q.

My main system:
Motherboard: Asus X99-AII
CPU: Intel i7-6850K
GPU: Sapphire Radeon RX480-8GB
RAM: Corsair Dominator (4 x 4 GB) DDR4 2400
Disk O/S & Programs: Intel SSD 750 (400 GB)
Disk Active Projects: 1TB & 2TB WD BLACK SN750 NVMe Internal PCI Express 3.0 x4 Solid State Drives
Disk Other: WD Ultrastar/Hitachi Hard Drives: WDBBUR0080BNC-WRSN, HGST HUH728080ALE600, 724040ALE640, HDS3020BLA642
Case: LIAN LI PC-90 Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Case
CPU cooling: Corsair Hydro series H115i
Power supply: SeaSonic SS-750KM3 750W 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply
Drive Bay: Kingwin KF-256-BK 2.5" and 3.5" Trayless Hot Swap Rack with USB 3
Sound card: Crystal Sound 3 on motherboard. Recording done on another system.
Primary Monitor: Asus ProArt PA248q (24" 1920 x 1200)
O/S: Windows 10 Pro 22H2, Build 19045.2130

Camera: Sony RX10 Model IV

https://www.youtube.com/user/thedennischannel

musicvid10 wrote on 6/27/2013, 7:23 PM
The state of upscaling with newer sets is actually quite good, by most accounts.
You "may" be pleasantly surprised, especially with a relatively modest 1.33 upscale.

1440p monitors are all the rage with gamers right now, but are a transitional product nonetheless.

True 4K screens are just hitting the market and are understandably expensive.
Grazie wrote on 6/28/2013, 2:44 AM
john_dennis : "The spec for the ASUS ProArt 24" is: Pixel Pitch 0.27mm

Found this John: Pixel Pitch 0.2331mm (109 pixel per inch)

Are we any further forward?

Pros: . . . .

Cons: . . .

Grazie

PS: I've been Skype-ing with Ozzie-Bob. He's a real gent! And patient too.....

farss wrote on 6/28/2013, 3:29 AM
What I would conclude from those figures is that on the 27" monitor an image of a given pixel dimensions will be 6.3% smaller than on the 24" monitor assuming it is not scaled to fill the screen.

Bob.

GlennChan wrote on 6/28/2013, 11:25 PM
Resizing an image introduces artifacts... I'm not really a fan of doing it unnecessarily.
Chienworks wrote on 6/29/2013, 8:08 AM
Walking down the aisle yesterday with all the big TVs playing BluRay material, all i can tell you is that when you're close enough to them, they ALL look absolutely awful, with the larger ones looking proportionally worse. Horrible pixellation and compression artifacts made it look like flecks of paint peeling off and waving around. The look was sort of like running an image through a sharpen filter 19 times.

I just have to say it, SD on my 20" monitor looks WAY better than HD on a 32". It's much smoother with better detail (not sharper, but definitely less tortuous) than HD.

If you do get a 27" you're probably going to want it placed farther back from you than your current monitors.
Grazie wrote on 6/29/2013, 10:32 AM
Here's a thought (thanks Kelso), I get the 27" which all them lovely pixels for my stills, BUT use the non-scaled-up option for Previewing Vegas? Yes I realise that that outcome will be a view into my footage that will be smaller than a pixel for pixel 24" so why would I bother. Well, the Stills stuff, and an extended real-estate for a working option or "other" Windows.

Honestly? I can't see a major advantage for the 27" other than I can use the actual, physical space that is available on my workbench PLUS the valuabe option of getting a an alternative to my JVC Pro CRT 15" Colour Setter.

Grazie

ddm wrote on 6/29/2013, 7:34 PM
I have an Asus 27" and use it as my primary display, which has some real advantages over my old 24". The higher resolution gives me quite a bit more real estate, which works out very well for Vegas, in particular, and many other apps as well. But as a secondary monitor, for viewing 1920 by 1080? Seems like a waste of money, as they are quite a bit more expensive than 1080p monitors.
farss wrote on 6/29/2013, 8:38 PM
[I]"Resizing an image introduces artifacts... I'm not really a fan of doing it unnecessarily."[/I]

Resizing is not the only issue to be aware of.
We'd been using a HDTV to evaluate picture quality.
At first I thought OK, maybe the old EX1 really is that noisy although it never seemed that bad on my monitor.
Neither the PMW-200 or PMW-350 looked any better really.
Then I tried the C300 and even as I wound back the ISO (gain) nothing much changed. Surely a C300 has got to a bit better than an old EX1?

Then it dawned on me, that wasn't noise at all, it is the HDTV dithering. Quite obvious really because it wasn't in the blacks, it was in the low saturation midtones.

Not to say that a HDTV isn't a bad monitor however it's definitely not the right tool for forensic pixel peeping.
I realise that what Grazie is looking at isn't a HDTV at all and as far as I know the Asus ProArt monitors do not dither. I just mention this issue as a heads up to others tempted to go down the path of using a HDTV. They're actually pretty good these days so long as you're not trying to see every pixel.

Bob.