When will VEGAS team develop copy multi-selected FX and paste to other

lan-mLMC wrote on 1/28/2020, 7:29 PM

Hello!When will VEGAS team develop copying multi-selected FX and pasting to other event FX、track FX、preview output FX、media FX?Just like Hitfilm express(free)、Premiere can copy multi-selected FX and paste to other clip FX:

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And when will VEGAS team develop multi-timeline which can open multi nested project in the meantime?Just like Hitfilm express(free) and Premiere:

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And when will VEGAS team develop keyframe “besier curve”?(OFX keyframe is not “besier” curve). Just like Hitfilm express(free) and Premiere:

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And when will VEGAS team develop “My favorite FX” so that we don't need to find hardly the FX we usually use. Just like Hitfilm express(free) and Premiere:

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And when will VEGAS team change "selective paste attribute" and applying FX package's “replace”mode to “add”mode?

 

I think these are very very basic features which a professional software should possess.

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Grazie wrote on 1/28/2020, 9:26 PM

@lan-mLMC

FX Packaging: Have you explored VP FX Create FX Package? I think that will go a long way in giving you what you want?

NTs: Have you thoroughly explored Nested Timelines? What do you find missing or wanting?

Bezier KFs: I wasn’t aware one can’t KeyFrame Bezier Curves in Pan/Crop? I’m almost certain we can? Do have another look.

lan-mLMC wrote on 1/28/2020, 10:54 PM

 

FX Packaging: Have you explored VP FX Create FX Package? I think that will go a long way in giving you what you want?

Applying FX package will delete event's orignal FX.

NTs: Have you thoroughly explored Nested Timelines? What do you find missing or wanting?

VEGAS Pro's nested timeline can only open one nested project. If the nested project contains a nested-nested project too, it can't open the nested-nested project.

And Hitfilm express or Premiere can open many many nested projects in one time and array them in the top of timeline(Screen shot). It is handy to edit whichever you need to edit, instead of finding where the nested project is in the timeline and slowly open it one in once.

Bezier KFs: I wasn’t aware one can’t KeyFrame Bezier Curves in Pan/Crop? I’m almost certain we can? Do have another look.

Bezier Curves' the length of the handle can effect the shape of curve.

But OFX keyframe curve's handle's length can't effect the shape of curve, so OFX keyframe curve is not Bezier Curve and it is almost useless.

wwaag wrote on 1/28/2020, 10:57 PM

@lan-mLMC

"When will VEGAS team develop copying multi-selected FX and pasting to other event FX、track FX、preview output FX、media FX?Just like Hitfilm express(free)、Premiere can copy multi-selected FX and paste to other clip FX:"

Not Vegas, but the next build of HOS has a new tool that will do this.

Sorry that I first added the old version image. Here's the latest,

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Grazie wrote on 1/28/2020, 11:00 PM

@lan-mLMC - Ah, righto. Thanks for your further explanations.

@wwaag - Great work Wayne - thank you!

 

lan-mLMC wrote on 1/28/2020, 11:03 PM

@lan-mLMC

"When will VEGAS team develop copying multi-selected FX and pasting to other event FX、track FX、preview output FX、media FX?Just like Hitfilm express(free)、Premiere can copy multi-selected FX and paste to other clip FX:"

Not Vegas, but the next build of HOS has a new tool that will do this.

Sorry that I first added the old version image. Here's the latest,

Actually, I hope these very very basic features should be developed and integrated tightly with vegas by the VEGAS team, instead of yours third-part developer. Alas.

alifftudm95 wrote on 1/29/2020, 3:10 AM

Hello!When will VEGAS team develop copying multi-selected FX and pasting to other event FX、track FX、preview output FX、media FX?Just like Hitfilm express(free)、Premiere can copy multi-selected FX and paste to other clip FX:

Screen shot

Screen shot

 

And when will VEGAS team develop multi-timeline which can open multi nested project in the meantime?Just like Hitfilm express(free) and Premiere:

Screen shot

 

And when will VEGAS team develop keyframe “besier curve”?(OFX keyframe is not “besier” curve). Just like Hitfilm express(free) and Premiere:

Screen shot

 

And when will VEGAS team change "selective paste attribute" and applying FX package's “replace”mode to “add”mode?

 

I think these are very very basic features which a professional software should possess.

Yea, VEGAS Pro is kinda old school. VEGAS Pro need 3rd party plugin to do basic stuff.

Exp: luma Keying. Pr/Davinci/Final Cut have that luminace Key ability as OFX by default.

Its not that you cant luma key inside VEGAS Pro, using the Mask Generator OFX & make an composition child between duplicated clip you can still key out the highlight/shadows but the amount of layer & and steps to do simple FX is very nuisances.

VEGAS Pro have so much potential but lack of this "useful" stuff.

Also, I wish VEGAS Pro can make special sub folder when saving project with "copy media" is enabled. VP is kinda clumsy when organizing media.

 

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fred-w wrote on 1/30/2020, 11:42 PM

@lan-mLMC Actually, most of long time users are looking forward to a code rewrite or some other way to "stabilize" the program. What are you missing here? You can copy effects from one event to another, If you are worried about "over writing" something, save the settings of individual plugs and just add them back one at a time. I honestly can't see this as any sort of "deal breaker" - and as Grazie said, you have the additional capacity to save favorite plug- in "packages" as templates. Actually, the effects section is quite malleable and well executed. I have other beefs with Vegas, but effects ordering/copying is not one, and I do a LOT of compositing and now coloring in Vegas.

@alifftudm95 Oh, my, you mean we have to resort to 3rd party plugins? Oh, my my my....so does AE....what do you think Mocha AE is all about? Hitfilm is virutally free, I paid $30 for the full version (Humble Bundle).....and literally got on these boards and BEGGED others to do so....but not to hear you - and others -- whine about this sort of "lack." Be more resourceful and creative. There is no one tool that does everything, sorry to break the news.

Again, I have railed against the Vegas unfulfilled promise.....for years.....I'm really quite pissed about the lack of stability, the lack of push to make that priority number one, and these sorts of complaints, while certainly legit, are really putting the cart before the horse, which is better playback speed while editing and stability, for which other things really DEPEND, for how good is it to have better/more effects when the program crashes when you start to push those too hard (and that is exactly what happens).





 

lan-mLMC wrote on 1/31/2020, 12:55 AM

save the settings of individual plugs and just add them back one at a time.

“save the settings of individual plugs” will waste much much time if there are many FX to copy.

And if FX contain keyframe, you aren't able “save the settings of individual plugs” as preset with keyframe. And maybe you will say saving to a FX package, But applying FX package will overwrite orignal FX.

Most importantly, there will be many FX which need to copy. And applying FX package not only overwrite orignal FX but also waste much time.

In other NLE, it just need "Ctrl+C" and "Ctrl+V". These vey basic features will save much much time and not overwrite orignal FX. I hope VEGAS team will follow these basic features.

you have the additional capacity to save favorite plug- in "packages" as templates.

For saving "packages" , you need to apply it to a clip, and save it to package, and rename it. and when you need to use it, you need open "plugin selector" window, and double click the package.

In other NLE, you just need to click “☆”, it will automatically be copy to "Favorite" group in Vide FX window.

The latter will save much much time if you have a lot FX to favorite...

fred-w wrote on 1/31/2020, 2:53 PM

The latter will save much much time if you have a lot FX to favorite...

I get that this would be a time saver....but Vegas has a lot of flexibility as is. Your central idea (paste to add, not to overwrite) IS the next logical step. It may have something to do with ordering of effects as to why it's not already implemented.

BTW, Pan / Crop (for example) keyframe nodes can be copied/pasted. I don't know about FX nodes, but I suspect that they might. Which FX would you want applied AFTER you've established, already, significant FX treatment?The one I can think of is color correction, (looking for consistency across scenes, for example).

Worst case: you can pre-render events as takes, and paste fx to those.

I know about "packages" - of course, and how they work. But hey, if you have to have the combination, (paste to add, not to overwrite) I just gave you a way to make it happen, (save individual effects settings, import them back once the "package" has been implemented) as a 'workaround.' Yes, it takes more time. So does exporting/re-importing to/from AE or DaVinci Resolve. Given those choices, I'll take the former, every time.

But to you and @alifftudm95 - I absolutely GET the idea that Vegas needs a few KEY timesavers, functionalities, and not "hamburger menus" and these type non advancement "bells and whistles." Really I believe Gary won't deal with Magix in a certain way to get things pushed across the "finish line" (bring in more muscle/$$) - in fact, many companies DON'T WANT a FINISH LINE....it keeps people re upping, hoping that THIS TIME, THIS revision, we'll get what we need/want. It's sort of a perpetual money making machine. Look at the Finale model, (if you're a musician) to understand what I'm suggesting here.

lan-mLMC wrote on 1/31/2020, 6:55 PM

The latter will save much much time if you have a lot FX to favorite...

I get that this would be a time saver....but Vegas has a lot of flexibility as is. Your central idea (paste to add, not to overwrite) IS the next logical step. It may have something to do with ordering of effects as to why it's not already implemented.

BTW, Pan / Crop (for example) keyframe nodes can be copied/pasted. I don't know about FX nodes, but I suspect that they might. Which FX would you want applied AFTER you've established, already, significant FX treatment?The one I can think of is color correction, (looking for consistency across scenes, for example).

Worst case: you can pre-render events as takes, and paste fx to those.

I know about "packages" - of course, and how they work. But hey, if you have to have the combination, (paste to add, not to overwrite) I just gave you a way to make it happen, (save individual effects settings, import them back once the "package" has been implemented) as a 'workaround.' Yes, it takes more time. So does exporting/re-importing to/from AE or DaVinci Resolve. Given those choices, I'll take the former, every time.

But to you and @alifftudm95 - I absolutely GET the idea that Vegas needs a few KEY timesavers, functionalities, and not "hamburger menus" and these type non advancement "bells and whistles." Really I believe Gary won't deal with Magix in a certain way to get things pushed across the "finish line" (bring in more muscle/$$) - in fact, many companies DON'T WANT a FINISH LINE....it keeps people re upping, hoping that THIS TIME, THIS revision, we'll get what we need/want. It's sort of a perpetual money making machine. Look at the Finale model, (if you're a musician) to understand what I'm suggesting here.

I know these worse and clumsy solutions in VEGAS Pro, such as using nested project and applying FX packages to nested project.

But I just hope the team add these basic and standard features to make VEGAS Pro more improved and more and more popular.