Why Buy Vegas if Resolve is Free?

juanpc wrote on 4/26/2017, 12:03 PM

Fill Me ...

Vegas Pro 14 lost AC3 export, but has Surround 5.1 Mixing.

Resolve Needs a powerful Video card, i mean 8GB or more.

Vegas13 Works with cheap video card, GT 740 1GB.

i have ProTools HD that allows Surround, but only FullHD, No UltraHD.

i hate the Black Theme of Resolve.

Resolve has YRGB 32-Bit Float image color correction / processing..

Resolve Pro is $1000usd. but comes Free with Hardware, URSA cameras, control surfaces.

Sony does Not.

Difference between Resolve Free and Studio "Pro" is small, for home YouTube users.

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/compare

 

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suhaib-siddiqi wrote on 4/26/2017, 12:07 PM

Fill Me ...

Vegas Pro 14 lost AC3 export, but has Surround 5.1 Mixing.

Resolve Needs a powerful Video card, i mean 8GB or more.

Vegas Works with cheap video card, GT 740 1GB.

i have ProTools HD that allows Surround, but only FullHD, No UltraHD.

i hate the Black Theme of Resolve.

Resolve has YRGB 32-Bit Float image color correction / processing..

Resolve Pro is $1000usd. but comes Free with Hardware, URSA cameras, control surfaces.

Sony does Not.

Difference between Resolve Free and Studio "Pro" is small, for home YouTube users.

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve

Resolve Pro (Resolve Studio) is no more $1000. Day before yesterday they reduced the price to $299. I am in communication with pre-sale technical support. According to them, you pay $299 once, and all future upgrades will be free. You cannot beat that price for a professional NLE. Below is a copy of email from Blackmagic:

Technical Support USA <support-usa@blackmagicdesign.com>To

smsiddiqi@xxxx.com

Apr 25 at 2:33 PM

Hello Suhaib,

Once you purchase the license for the software, upgrades will be free until otherwise noted.

Regards,

Marco. wrote on 4/26/2017, 12:13 PM

"Vegas Pro 14 lost AC3 export"

It dropped AC3 Pro while AC3 export is still available in Vegas Pro 14.

"Resolve has YRGB 32-Bit Float image color correction / processing.."

Same does Vegas Pro.

 

 

xberk wrote on 4/26/2017, 12:19 PM

I'm invested in Vegas. I like it. It works for me. The cost is minimal compared to learning Resolve. IF Vegas should stop working for me, then I might consider a switch. But, right now, happier with Vegas than EVER. Not to mention how sad I'd be to leave all the terrific support I've had from everyone on this forum.

 

juanpc wrote on 4/26/2017, 12:24 PM

there is a lot of OFX plugins i like but only Vegas OFX, not OFX OFX?

plugin $$$ is lower for Vegas host...

https://www.neatvideo.com/purchase $75usd. vs $250usd.?

http://revisionfx.com/gallery/

NewBlueFX,

HitFilm,

BorisFX,

proDAD,

etc...

suhaib-siddiqi wrote on 4/26/2017, 12:33 PM

there is a lot of OFX plugins i like but only Vegas OFX, not OFX OFX?

plugin $$$ is lower for Vegas host...

https://www.neatvideo.com/purchase $75usd. vs $250usd.?

http://revisionfx.com/gallery/

NewBlueFX,

HitFilm,

BorisFX,

proDAD,

etc...

I have all of those OFX plugins. They are not specific to Vegas only. They work in Resolve too. I use them in Resolve Lite 12.5 (Free version) without problems. The neatvideo is Vegas specific only.

suhaib-siddiqi wrote on 4/26/2017, 1:08 PM

I'm invested in Vegas. I like it. It works for me. The cost is minimal compared to learning Resolve. IF Vegas should stop working for me, then I might consider a switch. But, right now, happier with Vegas than EVER. Not to mention how sad I'd be to leave all the terrific support I've had from everyone on this forum.

 

Xberk,

Good for you. I agree that learning curve is an issue. However, I had been on and off using Resolve Lite (free version), therefore, getting upto the issue is not bad in my case.

For me driving force is the bugs in Vegas. Vegas works and works, but you never know when it will go nut and start crashing. Today, I am again faced with this nightmare with 35 MOV clips. One time it will work OK, then next moment it will crash with same clips. These annoying bugs had been present in Vegas since Sony, and MAGIX has not done a good job in fixing these annoying bugs. Sometime, when it does these kind of crashes that with same clips it will work abut next moment it will crash... I immediately, start Resolve and complete my project in it.

ernesto-figge wrote on 4/28/2017, 9:48 PM

Resolve is a great tool, but the audio editing in Vegas is beautiful. You can cut the audio outside the frame, this is a very powerful tool. No one video editor can do this. Good bless Vegas

Grazie wrote on 4/29/2017, 2:31 AM

Good bless Vegas

Lol! And yes I agree with you too. 😉

TheHappyFriar wrote on 4/29/2017, 8:17 AM

If Resolve works better for you go for it.

Blender is also an NLE, along with complete FX package, motion tracker, "pro" level 3D abilities, has mode based everything (rendering, textures, fx, etc). It's an all-in-one program that beats out nearly anything you pay for.

I have no Apple mov issues, but I avoid Apple and use Quicktime Alternative. Apple makes their Windows stuff a PITA.

astar wrote on 4/29/2017, 5:05 PM

I think you will find that AC-3 is historic at this point. You really do not need AC-3 for surround, I think that is marketing brainwashing. You need a multichannel audio format and pretty much nothing else. Streaming surround uses Multichannel AAC formats.

Examples:

https://www2.iis.fraunhofer.de/AAC/multichannel.html

Resolve sstability might be due to low powered systems and poor GPU levels on most Vegas Users systems. Resolve 12.5 system requirements state 8GB on board GPU. That makes most Vegas user GPUs off the table for Resolve work. Only the latest GPUs have that much onboard RAM.

12.5 requirements and you can imagine 14 will be even more.

https://www.dcinema.me/davinci-resolve-system-requirements-a-reality-check/

RealityStudio wrote on 4/29/2017, 9:52 PM

Resolve doesn't support scripting like Vegas Pro does. That means my workload would become dramatically longer in Resolve. Lack of scripting also means my workload would be far more error prone, since all that machine generated work would now be human generated. So as interesting as Resolve 14 looks, I'm stuck with Vegas Pro until another software decides to support scripting. Do what works for you though, try both and pick your favorite.

Grazie wrote on 4/30/2017, 12:59 AM

Apples and Pears. The OP, IMO, needs the chance to reflect.

The two NLEs are very different in their feature-set. As has already been noted, the biggie for me is the Scripting opportunities which currently exist, and THEN potentially what further Scripting and Extensions will be coming down the pipe.

Vegas is not a done deal, but with the input from the Video Creators out there, what else will be available?

juanpc wrote on 4/30/2017, 1:39 AM

Resolve needs to transcode XAVC S to uncompressed Avid or Apple,

Vegas13 works directly with XAVC S.

Transcoding = more time, more space & more speed, dedicated SSD/RAID.

suhaib-siddiqi wrote on 4/30/2017, 6:34 AM

Resolve needs to transcode XAVC S to uncompressed Avid or Apple,

Vegas13 works directly with XAVC S.

Transcoding = more time, more space & more speed, dedicated SSD/RAID.

I have Sony 4K camera and shoot in XAVC S. I regularly edit these clips in Resolve 12.5 without any transcoding.

suhaib-siddiqi wrote on 4/30/2017, 7:25 AM

I think, this thread should be moved to "Off-topic."

When, it comes to different NLE, it is mostly what you'r used to. Some of the points raised by some gentlemen are not quite accurate. I used Vegas and Resolve both. Vegas has its strength in scripting, which stands it apart from others. Other than that, I do not find any thing intuitive in Vegas. One gentleman said that in Vegas, you can separate audio from video, which is a very powerful feature. Well, you can do that in Resolve too. Other fellow mention that Resolve cannot edit XAVC-S without pre-transcoding. I regularly edit XAVC-S from Sony 4K cameras in Resolve. However, I do often run into problems with MOV files in Vegas. As, I said, it depends upon what you are used too and how much you know about a particular software. Resolve was originally designed as a color grading software and it excels at it. Its NLE capabilities were added from version 12.x, and v14 is a big leap forward, though buggy in its beta stage.

I will not completely abandon Vegas. Vegas has been my primary NLE and Resolve secondary. However, I am going to switch Resolve as my primary and Vegas as my secondary NLEs. My decision is due to frustration of existing bugs in Vegas not being fixed, e.g GPU acceleration. When working with long clips, I find rendering in Resolve is much faster than in Vegas. That is, perhaps, because of GPU acceleration in Resolve, while GPU acceleration in Vegas always causes it to crash on my system. Resolve does require a better hardware and more video RAM.

EDIT: The other factor in switching is technical support. I once sent an email to MAGIX technical support. They replied after 5 days with a very generic answer. On the other hand I sent emails to BlackMagic technical support couple of times. Their answer came within 24 hours. MAGIX is used to selling software to home users. Its technical support is not used to of supporting editors whose bread and butter may depend upon their NLE. Five days to answer a technical support request? That was too much to push me to decide switching Resolve as my primary NLE.

Kinvermark wrote on 4/30/2017, 9:48 AM

Well, after several days "playing" with resolve, I won't be moving over.  It does have some features I like, but in the end I can edit much faster in Vegas using vegasaur & presets, etc.    The missing link for me in both programs is media management / storyboarding / rough cutting. I currently have to use Adobe Bridge for this, which .... is not ideal. :)

BruceUSA wrote on 4/30/2017, 10:45 AM

Many months ago, I installed Davici Resolve on to my computer just to test out their color grading tool. At that time I don't understand it and I find it was difficult to learn and I abandoned it. Lately, I have see the Davinci Resolve threads come up a lot. I said to myself, this is has to be that good. I want to learn the basic in Resolve. I spent 5 hrs watching youtube tutorial. I more I watch it and I more I like it. Their color grading tool is impressive and I am color grading in resolve only until I become proficient with resolve. When I open Vegas and Resolve and compared the look of each NLE. Vegas GUI look so old and out dated . The GUI look of Resolve much more advance and much more modern look. And it free. How the hack you beat that. I am happy with vegas as a very good editing program. But Vegas need to have a powerful color grading like Resolve.

Kinvermark wrote on 4/30/2017, 10:57 AM

Being shiny and new looking is hardly a reason to use a program, and it is totally subjective anyway - I dislike the dark resolve interface, but I would overlook that if it offered anything I really needed.  The extensive colour grading is great for colourists and people with oodles of free time on their hands, but who pays for all that time on commercial jobs?  For me, there is a "sweet spot" of power and convenience that Vegas can hit (with some improvements) that Resolve likely never will - it's already too complex.

suhaib-siddiqi wrote on 4/30/2017, 11:03 AM

Everyone has a different culture!!! Everyone has a different style of editing!!! Everyone has a different need!!!

Don't we believe we have discussed enough of Resolve vs Vegas on the Vegas Forum???

🔢😀

Kinvermark wrote on 4/30/2017, 11:26 AM

Sure, no need for you to add more then  😀

ronald-e wrote on 4/30/2017, 12:25 PM

I started with Vegas Audio and that is pretty much how I use Vegas now. I am up to date with Vegas14. However my main video editor is EDIUS 8.5WG. I too have Resolve free version and for $299 I may well buy the full version. I have no expectation that one tool will do everything. Multicam editing in EDIUS is what I do mostly and of the NLE I have tried is the most convenient to see what is going on and modify etc, Vegas by far has the best audio( although Fairlight audio in Resolve may give it real competition ), for colour correction Resolve has it and I use DVDArchitect for discs authoring. For encoding I use TMPGenc. EDIUS on my PC is much faster and smoother than any of them for editing and seems to take any file I have thrown at it including the latest GH5 10 bit files that Vegas and Premiere still do not accept. I expect to use Resolve I will need to update my PC as at the moment I run an i7 4790K, 16G RAM with only the onboard Intel GPU that EDIUS uses Quicksync for operation on h264 files.

juanpc wrote on 4/30/2017, 3:29 PM

I downloaded the EDIUS demo, but has a problem with multi-boot multi-OS, hard drives...

No Go, for me.

juanpc wrote on 4/30/2017, 3:30 PM

Also downloaded the AVID Media Composer 8.4, but was too alien for me...

also requires SSE4.1 CPU micro code extensions, "won't install in older CPU's, Intel Q6600 lga775 socket, Opteron 61xx"