Agreed. Needs improvement. My minor frustration at the moment is having to constantly "twirl" open all the controls in FilmConvert to CC hundreds of clips. Tedious.

I would also support your other items as a "feature request."

So, some more to add:

1) Open ALL effect controls in one click/keypress.

2) 10 bit support for select AVI formats (ie MagicYUV) so we can get GH5 (etc.) 10 bit files out of Vegas losslessly when needed.

3) Auto select effects on clip "under the cursor." Needed for faster colour grading etc.

4) Media management (sounds like Vegas 16 may have something for this.)

5) Easier time remapping. Velocity envelope works, but because every speed change moves the timeline around I find it difficult to know where I am. Resolve has a more intuitive system of pulling "waypoints" around.

6) Optical flow retiming / slow motion.

… many more, but I digress.

I want Vegas to stir me a highball and start the dishwasher, too.

The "smart render and mux any format" fantasy is just that, for any NLE.

There is actually an engineering reason for that. Same for saving "up to" a crash. It's nonlinear. Look it up.

And by all means let's add some cutesy cellphone "looks" to our videos. It's all we ever really use it for, right?

Promote your fantasies in the OT area, please.

Thank you for your answer. I'm not fantasizing, VEGAS does what I asking for, but just not for HD formats. if you render in VEGAS 3 sequences with the same codec and configuration mux them without re-render like the old VirtualDub does, like vegas pro already does for *.AVI DV (Pal/NTSC)

In another way, planar tracking, face recognition was fantasy 10 years ago, even and was fantasy a year ago and now are a reality.

I am a Designer in Image and Sound, photographer, electronic technician, and game developer. I'm not a naive dude, I'm asking for useful tools. what are the last vegas updates? change the name of a proprietary codec, fixed installation of a file to read the right codec, and Korean location fixes. Even if you are a fanboy you gonna be by my side if I say these changes are just insignificant for most users.

Just look what other software does for the new release like (that has a full free version) every single year I am amazed by how these people push themselves. They listen to their users, study the rivals, and reinvent themselves. Magix can do it too. I'm sure about it, or I not even waste my time writing this words.

Again, thank you for your time.

Thank You Vegas Team! And our wonderful, non-paid volunteer forum "Gurus'", a.k.a.: MusicVid, Grazie, JetDV, Set, Nick Hope, Dr. Zen, John Dennis, Steve Rhodes, and so many others (sorry for not mentioning, or just old age?).

This is amazing. It seems Vegas is now being bashed by "former" Adobe users, who were "slamming the crap" out of Premiere, Photoshop, LightRoom, and some of their other products for years. I know, as I was following along on their forums when I had invested in Premiere/Photoshop Elements. It is not only here where you see the constant "whining and crying", but YouTube comments on videos. Like Dad said, if you don't like what you hear on the radio, change the channel!,

If all these wonderful video editors have been using Vegas (Sony or Magix) for years, why do they continue to bring up how great these other programs (Edit Pro, Premiere, Resolve, Media Composer, PowerDirector, etc.) and come here to bash our beloved program?

I applaud the efforts that Gary and his team have been trying to get out from under the Sony cloud, and make our product more efficient, faster, and still trying to incorporate all the new camera technologies/formats, all the while maintaining backward compatibility with older formats/cameras etc. Why is it that that is never mentioned by these people? From what I have researched (mainly at product pages and other forums; don't trust much googling, Tech Review site reviews {good bit are definitely biased}, or customer reviews), Vegas/Movie Studio has been a great tool over the years, and continues to be great. Like anything, there is always a "growing pain", just as "Learning the proper way" and "Reading the Manual" seems to be a lost art. As far as I know, Rome wasn't built in a day, so wanting it right now (as seems to be the norm these days) doesn't make sense. That, or maybe I should not have retired from the service.

Good point. Adobe sucks too. But even them introduce significant tools over the year like dynamic link. text analysis, spark, dimension, etc.

For 2009 version Sony Vegas release 3d stereovision and multicamera system (if my memory doesn't fail me)

The first easy content stabilization system. That really works!!! And was amazed. and eager to see more.

But then...well text tool crash up, transitions (they are ugly then and now are not even retro). If you minimize or change the window charge everything in ram again(unless you were playing your timeline) and lose the really good advantages that you win with the awesome capability to have 2 instances of vegas open simultaneously (Suck that premiere pro!... well till cc2018)

You name the people that are working on Vegas, so I think you are in touch with some of them, sorry if my petitions offend them or you, is not my intention see the world burn. Again I'm not a fanboy for any company, I want better tools, and I think you too. That's why you change your camera, your cell phone, your car, someones even their wives.

Thank you for your time. I appreciate every critic, And I hope the Vegas team does that too.

There is no reason to be hating on Vegas. It's a great program. Yes, some of it is dated, but on the other hand, Magix has made some fantastic improvements and hopefully will continue doing so. I don't get the color correction complaint as Vegas just added the ACES work flow and has color spaces that work with a variety of high-end cameras. Red Giant plug-ins also work in Vegas. What kind of correction do you need? I use Resolve and have Premiere and still prefer Vegas. And now with ACES, I see less of a need for Resolve.

As for transitions, there is no excuse for not learning how the masking tool works along with the compositing modes and making your own transitions. Vegas Pro is actually Photoshop Lite and I'd say it can do most of what you would ever want to do with Photoshop. You can make selections, feather, add layers, and composite. What kind of transitions do you need?

It might sound strange to say this, but what Vegas needs are users who will take the time to learn what it is capable of. And even if you don't want to do that, for the love of God, you've got the laundry list of Sapphire Plug-Ins you can use, which makes me dizzy just looking at all of them.

What I'd like to see is more You Tube channels like The Letter Is B, where someone takes the time, in a professional way, to show what you can really do with Vegas. I've grown to appreciate Vegas even more by watching his videos. The problem I see is that many of the tutorials on You Tube are extremely dated and done by people who are just scraping the surface of what the program can do. I've even seen videos on popular channels that are just giving out bad or inaccurate advice.

I can't be more agree with you! Again I'm not a Hater. I just want a better Vegas, in Spanish many people, call it "Magix Vergas" means literally "Magix Dicks" but it really more like "Magix Sucks" And it hurts me because I use it all the time, for fast editions and sound work is great! but for bigger proyects, I use other tools. and that's why I made his post. because hate to use AE for something as complex as a lower third! or a nice transition

I won't comment on the validity of the OP's comments, but I wonder about creative people who want "canned" effects. What happened to creating your own designs, transitions and effx? It seems that everybody is using the same effex (if I see another cell phone video with dog nose and ears superimposed I might scream). I can understand making layers work differently, although Vegas is much easier than others like After Effects, but I don't understand wanting preset effects.

I'm not asking for canned fx, just better, customizable tools than not make render 5 layers of video for a complex picture in picture with a lower third title. If you ever made a tv show you will know you need to be consistent with your visual esthetic really is. And that time is money, more time you spend on the app, less time to live your life.

Do you ever try to attach a 3d model to a drone footage on Vegas? Or edit audio on After Effects or Premiere? all they suck! I know Vegas is not Nukex, or AE I don't asking for that.

I ask for a new type of layer something more powerful than 3 video layers with png videos on it for a lower third.

Again I'm not attacking Vegas! or Vegas Users! Whats wrong with you people? Really want to use the same lame technic and pay for the same old assets and tools for the rest of your lives?

We the Vegas Users, the editors, the clients most to ask ourselves Just one question.

Is this upcoming version worth it?

I think the complain about Vegas coloring/color correction tools are about the cooor corrector plug-in, which I admit is dated. However, that is just one of the many tools that Vegas has to do the job. It may already be a step forward to see some of them combined in one tool and have better control on other like color curves. I have used Vegas since v7 and I still don’t know how to use some of them properly. Yes, the Resolve color grading workspace looks impressive but the results aren’t any better then what can be done in Vegas. Record bettter video and you need less correction.

Ok. true if your raw footage is good color your workflow is easy, that true, but doing final gathering on Vegas tools?

Imagine this scenario: You are editing a commercial, the director shoot it on a Sony A7sII in cinema 3 color gathering, an Alexa, and a Red ONe. With many lenses and different color settings. You need to make the footage looks as similar as you can, and make the autumn grass looks like spring grass. What software do you choose?

If Vegas team put 2 people working on color tools for 3 months I'm sure can solve most issues they have. Or at least gonna have some advances.

Thank you for your time.

I hear a lot of people hate on Vegas' color tools, but they never give specific examples of its shortcomings. From what I can see, just about everything you can do in resolve can be done in vegas, even if the options are spread across multiple tools in Vegas. Also, with HDR coming in the next update, don't be surprised to see at least some sort of addition to the coloring tools.

I agree. If you color corrected something in Resolve and did the same type of adjustments in Vegas, someone would be lying if they said they could tell which was which.

I like Vegas and I am in no danger of "defecting" to Resolve. However, there are some things that make me drool (and that I think cannot be done in Vegas):

1) Multiple trackable masks. That apply to different colour corrections. e.g. Highlight an actors face, while making the background "blue."

2) Ranged sat/hue/luma using curves. e.g. Desat the dark areas, desat reds only, etc. (Yes, can sorta be done with secondary cc in Veas, but it is not quite the same, and it s total PITA.)

3) Auto select clip under cursor for cc. Also,copy grades with one keystroke. Way faster.

4) Optical flow re-timing (slow mo).

5) Tracking (in Vegas soon?)

And quite a bit more... but there are lots of negatives to Resolve too.

I agree with Dexcon (above) about Colorfast 2. Besides color correction, it allows me to dig detail out of the shadows better than any other means that I've found. I do mostly run-n-gun/location work. Travel Photography, where I have little or no control over lighting. Colorfast 2 is my "secret sauce." Guess my secret's out now....

I agree with most of the OP's points, and some others' as well.

Having just spent some 60+ intense hours on V15 with my last compositing project, I'm again left with the same kind of impression: Vegas is fantastic, the simplicity and intuitiveness of its possibilities and the things it can do once you get to its depths are amazing...but , some "small" stuff just sometimes makes me want to pull my hair.

The prehistoric preview..jeez, on complex timelines, it's so bad it's impossibe to judge and even see what you're doing until you render. I had luma key scenes that looked fine in preview but looked fringed and oversharpened like hell in the render. Some motion text presets FX make the preview stutter so badly you can't actually se them, or you have to use freezes to judge the IQ. Pleeeaaze, let me spend hundreds on a dedicated GPU that gives me decent preview once and for all.

There are random crashes, third party FX parameters suddenly stop reacting or even reverse their +/- controls. Opening pan.crop ALWAYS opens fully zoomed in, where you can't work or see a thing, and my mousewheel runs hot from zooming out EACH time. The text tools are helplessly outdated, and by my last post on NB titler pro, I won't touch that one with a 10 foot pole anymore. Pancrop and also the masks behave erratically at times. Sometimes you can switch a mask on /off with a keyframe, sometimes you can't. Sometimes a positive mask shows on top of a track, sometimes it doesn't . Sometimes disabeling a mask suddenly mutes/hides the whole clip. I still can't dragdrop media diectly into the timeline, and searching the media list with hundred + clips of for what you just imported is tiring, to say the least. And the bad, banding fades..from white to black...seriously, in 2018? That there finally will be a motion tracker really is a beacon of light.

BUT..I still love Vegas 15 and have the highest respect for how Magix are doing what they can. As the OP said, please just make it better, more modern, more efficient and faster.

every single year I am amazed by how these people push themselves. They listen to their users, study the rivals, and reinvent themselves. Magix can do it too. I'm sure about it, or I not even waste my time writing this words.

 

I want that feeling with vegas pro.

There are lots of third party plugins that do phenomenal jobs for things like transitions and color correcting, but the whole "stickers" issue may be the deal breaker for me.

I freelance edit videos for a living and use stickers a lot for my clients - and to my knowledge, no one is really making sticker packs that work seamlessly with Vegas. I've tried demos of 3 other video editing softwares this year and they ALL do this extremely easily.

OP is right - the current culture wants mobile phone-like features, and even cheap programs like Filmora include this SO EASILY.

I waste a lot of time every week doing scribbles and stickers on my client's videos. I'm just not sure that familiarity is enough to keep me any longer. Still undecided.

If anyone knows of a reasonable workaround, I'm all ears.

I feel ancient ..... What’s a “Client Sticker”? Is this a Bug or Logo? I read Sticker and immediately thought of the Staples Yellow Pack of tear-offs.

I think they are using incorrect terminology, I've been in video and TV for 2 decades and I don't even hear the younger kids using terms like "stickers".

"OP is right - the current culture wants mobile phone-like features, and even cheap programs like Filmora include this SO EASILY."

The current culture wants professional work. IF you have a client that wants their video to look like it was shot on a phone, shoot it on a phone.

My biggest issue with Vegas is stability and error handling. I'm a long time user and I will continue to use it but I've seen a gradual decrease in overall stability or "robustness" since I started with version 3. There have been some versions which have been more stable than the previous ones but the overall graph has been trending down. There are so many freezes that occur and I have no clue as to what happened (error handling).

I'm thinking part of the problem is that so many features have been added by so many programmers over the years that the underlying code is quite "messy" from a programming point of view. It's probably time for a complete (and extremely expensive) overhaul.

I can't help but thinking every time someone argues for more features and complains about stability they are working at odds. More features invariably cause more complicated code and more chance for errors.

Point in case. I do quite a bit of audio editing using an application called Presonus Studio One. Presonus came into the multitrack editing game late but had the advantage of starting fresh. The program is so stable it astounds me. And it has to work with external audio interfaces which can be problematic to say the least. I honestly can't remember the last time it crashed or froze on me. Or even if it ever has! My point is that super stability CAN be done. But are we willing to pay for it? That's the real question.

We already do pay good money for it. As much, if not more than, competing products that are far more stable. So, that cost of re-developing the Vegas engine should not be passed on to us. We've been paying it buying less than stable versions for years now.

I'm not sure if Magix plans on a one time, complete overhaul, or simply rewriting it one component at a time over a series of versions while keeping the existing stuff working as good as they possibly can... It works good enough to use in a professional environment as it is (I've been running my business off of it for years), but it definitely isn't stable enough to justify its price at the same time, when compared to others. I do know Magix is working hard to improve things all around, as I've been in close contact with them for a while now. They know Vegas needs a lot of work still, and they're putting a lot of work into it. It may not always come as fast as we'd like to see it, but I am happy with the progress I'm seeing them make, as well as the plans they've told me about.

I've used Vegas for some time. Good stability, however updating from previous version is relatively pricey, discouraging yearly updating. Some discount for updating from previous version would be welcome.

You already get about a 50% discount on upgrades?

Already dirt cheap as far as I'm concerned. Cost $150 to upgrade from 14 to 16, and amortized over three years this makes 50 per year.

Now, if you always upgrade to the latest version immediately, then it is not such a great deal, especially considering that the early point releases are typically buggy, and the added features are fairly modest. Better to skip a version or two and wait until later in the yearly cycle IMHO.

With BlackMagic practically giving the farm away, people can now demand so much more for software we pay for. It is utterly mind-boggling what Resolve does for free.

True. But it is a bit of an unnatural situation. Can't imagine it will stay that way. I find Vegas vastly preferable for editing, but want the superb colour controls that Resolve provides - so I use both.

Improvements in interchange between the two would be very welcome.