The new kid in class is role-playing, Grazie.

Imagine that.

I'm in the same boat. Just tired of waiting for substantial changes (been a user since version 3) and using Resolve more and more these days. Resolve is being developed at a lightning pace and every new major release of their Studio version is free once you pay $299 (not to mention their already extremely capable free version). When I compare the last Vegas 6 update to Resolve 15 latest Beta 7 update it's like 3 fixes vs. 150 fixes/new features (not kidding and this happens every update).

Last major release of Vegas that I paid $199 for was touting a freeze frame feature and a few other things while Resolve 14 added hundreds of new features including a professional audio editing program (Fairlight). Resolve 15 now adds a professional compositing program (Fusion) and hundreds of fixes/new features.

I don't blame the obviously small Vegas team I blame Sony for taking an amazing program ahead of it's time and sitting on it for years while including copies of Premiere with their cameras. My suggestion if Magix wants to make this work: Fix the bugs and long time shortcomings and hopefully update the code then make Vegas affordable for what it does. Something like $199 for new users and $99 for upgrades. Your pricing for what you give is no longer feasible in today's edit landscape. Do that and I'll keep it in the toolbox and you get lots of youtubers etc.

this guy made good points

yeah transitions sucks

and i am with you for re encoding part

it saves lot of time

i think big companies don't look that as problem ,they look it as profit ,i think.

seriously vegas pro team, not much improvement done in past years.

let's see what vegas pro 16 offers or same sh

I want Vegas to stir me a highball and start the dishwasher, too.

The "smart render and mux any format" fantasy is just that, for any NLE.

There is actually an engineering reason for that. Same for saving "up to" a crash. It's nonlinear. Look it up.

And by all means let's add some cutesy cellphone "looks" to our videos. It's all we ever really use it for, right?

Promote your fantasies in the OT area, please.

Thank You Vegas Team! And our wonderful, non-paid volunteer forum "Gurus'", a.k.a.: MusicVid, Grazie, JetDV, Set, Nick Hope, Dr. Zen, John Dennis, Steve Rhodes, and so many others (sorry for not mentioning, or just old age?).

This is amazing. It seems Vegas is now being bashed by "former" Adobe users, who were "slamming the crap" out of Premiere, Photoshop, LightRoom, and some of their other products for years. I know, as I was following along on their forums when I had invested in Premiere/Photoshop Elements. It is not only here where you see the constant "whining and crying", but YouTube comments on videos. Like Dad said, if you don't like what you hear on the radio, change the channel!,

If all these wonderful video editors have been using Vegas (Sony or Magix) for years, why do they continue to bring up how great these other programs (Edit Pro, Premiere, Resolve, Media Composer, PowerDirector, etc.) and come here to bash our beloved program?

I applaud the efforts that Gary and his team have been trying to get out from under the Sony cloud, and make our product more efficient, faster, and still trying to incorporate all the new camera technologies/formats, all the while maintaining backward compatibility with older formats/cameras etc. Why is it that that is never mentioned by these people? From what I have researched (mainly at product pages and other forums; don't trust much googling, Tech Review site reviews {good bit are definitely biased}, or customer reviews), Vegas/Movie Studio has been a great tool over the years, and continues to be great. Like anything, there is always a "growing pain", just as "Learning the proper way" and "Reading the Manual" seems to be a lost art. As far as I know, Rome wasn't built in a day, so wanting it right now (as seems to be the norm these days) doesn't make sense. That, or maybe I should not have retired from the service.

"Thank You Vegas Team! And our wonderful, non-paid volunteer forum "Gurus'", a.k.a.: MusicVid, Grazie, JetDV, Set, Nick Hope, Dr. Zen, John Dennis, Steve Rhodes, and so many others (sorry for not mentioning, or just old age?)."

I'm flattered to be mentioned in the same thread with these folks. I feel like a diamond, a piece of coal that stuck with it. Or should it be a methane gas molecule. I'll let you discern that progression.

I won't comment on the validity of the OP's comments, but I wonder about creative people who want "canned" effects. What happened to creating your own designs, transitions and effx? It seems that everybody is using the same effex (if I see another cell phone video with dog nose and ears superimposed I might scream). I can understand making layers work differently, although Vegas is much easier than others like After Effects, but I don't understand wanting preset effects.

Magix has a great opportunity with the latest apple kerfuffle. I was begrudgingly considering the new macbook pro for FCPX (which I still consider the best NLE), but an XPS 15 is cheaper than the 13 macbook pro with the magical bar and has a 1050ti. Then the throttle gate happened and I realized the mac love I had disappeared long ago. Those Dells (G3, G5, XPS 15) can be updated and are far cheaper.

I use to like vegas and I'm still considering it, but Resolve is there. Vegas just needs to be stable and modern to recover market share, I'm sure it will happen as Resolve is a resource hog and you even need a dongle to monitor your video on a second screen. I'm looking forward to test 16 and decide.

The man is speaking for a fair amount of users. I don't want to be disparaging in calling them "wedding video" producers (or the like) and they do need templates and get it done quik, like yesterday plug in features....but are not those also available from third parties? -- especially with all the scripting available to anyone who'd want to try that, those are sold as well.

I can "feel" this person, he's not "off base" - but I think he needs to really get into some other right now solutions to some of his dilemmas.

I have my own "wish list" and if the developers were smart, we would confer on some of those......not bangs and whistles, meat and marrow....

Vegas needs a rich uncle, a sugar daddy, someone at Magix who really, really GETS Vegas and what where it's true genius lies and is willing to direct the resources to just "get it done."

The Vegas developers are a fine bunch, and have been working without a tremendous amount of real support from Sony for years...... they are to be commended, and let's work with them, and support this program, and yes, present your "wish lists." That is positive, but not the griping perhaps.

Some of those guys on the Samplitude/Sequoia team are pretty damn clever....hint hint..

Like Resolve? That's great... if you have a GPU that can handle it... and another $150 device so you can get full screen previews... only to turn on a few effects and be told that you have run out of GPU ram and the entire program ceases to function, or it crashes (which happens pretty often, far more often than many say it does).

Resolve is playing catch up to Vegas. Vegas already is a professional audio recording and editing app. It isn't the best out there by a long shot, but it supports VSTs that can be used to add functionality for free in many cases, and for cheap in others. I can use it to live record 18 inputs from a band on individual tracks in 24 bit 96khz quality, then mix them into 7.1 surround sound from there... and I've been able to do that for as long as I can remember using Vegas. In fact, I recorded and mixed my first ever surround sound project in Vegas back in 2003, while editing the multicam video in the same app!

Vegas also supports scripting, which resolve does not, and it adds a ton of functionality to the program. Many features you'd have to wait for an update to have you can code up yourself or download from someone else who has already.

So, by the time you've bought Resolve, a capable GPU that can run all of its effects smoothly without running out of VRAM, an external output card, etc.. you've paid more than Vegas costs and you still don't have many features Vegas does. Resovles does what it does very well, but it is far from perfect. There is a reason why I'm very excited about Vegas 16 supporting HDR, even though Resolve will still likely have the better color tools due to having more of a head start in that area. Like Resolve has had to play catch up to Vegas on audio, Vegas is playing catch up to Resolve on coloring. Both are great apps in the end, but to say one justifies not buying the other is ignoring a lot of factors at the moment.

There is no reason to be hating on Vegas. It's a great program. Yes, some of it is dated, but on the other hand, Magix has made some fantastic improvements and hopefully will continue doing so. I don't get the color correction complaint as Vegas just added the ACES work flow and has color spaces that work with a variety of high-end cameras. Red Giant plug-ins also work in Vegas. What kind of correction do you need? I use Resolve and have Premiere and still prefer Vegas. And now with ACES, I see less of a need for Resolve.

As for transitions, there is no excuse for not learning how the masking tool works along with the compositing modes and making your own transitions. Vegas Pro is actually Photoshop Lite and I'd say it can do most of what you would ever want to do with Photoshop. You can make selections, feather, add layers, and composite. What kind of transitions do you need?

It might sound strange to say this, but what Vegas needs are users who will take the time to learn what it is capable of. And even if you don't want to do that, for the love of God, you've got the laundry list of Sapphire Plug-Ins you can use, which makes me dizzy just looking at all of them.

What I'd like to see is more You Tube channels like The Letter Is B, where someone takes the time, in a professional way, to show what you can really do with Vegas. I've grown to appreciate Vegas even more by watching his videos. The problem I see is that many of the tutorials on You Tube are extremely dated and done by people who are just scraping the surface of what the program can do. I've even seen videos on popular channels that are just giving out bad or inaccurate advice.

The problem I see is that many of the tutorials on You Tube are extremely dated and done by people who are just scraping the surface of what the program can do

And that's just the way it will be, until YOU produce and upload a better, more current one.

What do you say, Karma?

I think the complain about Vegas coloring/color correction tools are about the cooor corrector plug-in, which I admit is dated. However, that is just one of the many tools that Vegas has to do the job. It may already be a step forward to see some of them combined in one tool and have better control on other like color curves. I have used Vegas since v7 and I still don’t know how to use some of them properly. Yes, the Resolve color grading workspace looks impressive but the results aren’t any better then what can be done in Vegas. Record bettter video and you need less correction.

@OldSmoke … I've found that a really good color plugin for VP is NewBlueFX's Colorfast 2. It is like VP's secondary color but is more comprehensive because it allows for high/mid/low adjustment including tinting.

But please don't decry plugins, as jrb101 recently noted under the post titled 'VEGAS 16 hint':

and I can honestly say that in the audio world everything is done by third-part plugins

A very considered observation, I think.

Vegas pro has been very good and stable program to work with for me. I do do have any stability issues like some of the other people has. I am satisfied with Vegas, espencially VP15 361 is the best version. But VP has it limits, compared to other. Took me 3 attempts to get hooked on Resolve and I am loving it. Learning a new NLE is like starting a new job. You will get lost and confused but its will become natural and good at it. There are many short cuts you can do in resolve and can speed up the workflow just as fast as Vegas. Here is my favorite, put the playhead in between the clip and hit the T key, you get a instant crossfade. When you hoover the mouse over a clip on the media pool, you will instant preview the clip on the 2nd preview screen. You can scrub 4K footage on the Timeline or on the thumbnail and get realtime preview. resolve build in audio sycn and noise reduction is very fast, almost like realtime. If you own a high end CPU/GPU you owe yourself to not to wanting to try resolve studio 14 and Beta 15. I am now strictly using resolve studio beta 15 and keep Vegas in my toolbox. Resolve studio 15 is a new animal of editing. Resolve use GPU to the max 100% in Timeline and rendering. My 1950X push 80% and GPU push 100% all time and every time. I plan to add a 2nd Frontier Edition card in my system and resolve studio will use both GPU. Even I am a resolve user but I still lurking the forum. from time to time to follow Vegas. My NLE is Resolve 90% usage and Vegas 10% usage.

BruceUSA, I can't argue with most of your comments, but as far as the T key, Vegas has many shortcut keys that people tend to just gloss over. Hit the numeric "/" key and you have instant crossfade. ;)

BruceUSA, I can't argue with most of your comments, but as far as the T key, Vegas has many shortcut keys that people tend to just gloss over. Hit the numeric "/" key and you have instant crossfade. ;)

True. Just saying. :)

For me, Vegas would not be usable without third-party add-ons. I NEED Vegasaur, and prefer to cc using Filmconvert. Mercalli used to be a requirement, but camera stabilization is making that less necessary.

Having a lot of non-native plug-ins may have some technical drawbacks, but it is a practical solution to the economic problem of trying to keep a low entry price, and having limits on programmer resources.

(Aside: anyone know a way to open ALL the controls of an effect at once?)

"Record better video and you need less correction."

That's what I've experienced since I bought a camera that gives me enough controls to get it close to what I saw. I'm more of an archivist than an artist.

@OldSmoke … I've found that a really good color plugin for VP is NewBlueFX's Colorfast 2. It is like VP's secondary color but is more comprehensive because it allows for high/mid/low adjustment including tinting.

But please don't decry plugins, as jrb101 recently noted under the post titled 'VEGAS 16 hint':

and I can honestly say that in the audio world everything is done by third-part plugins

A very considered observation, I think.

@Dexcon I tried NB plug-ins and almost immediately uninstalled it. They cause nothing but trouble and their insane version numbering and licensing will never win me over.

Thank you all you for posting and sharing your experiences. For some reason, the forum lost my last reply so I gonna be a little shorter this time.

This is a list of the things that I believe Vegas Team need to worry about.

1.- When the render freeze don't lose the part that is already done (like vegas pro7) and maybe muxing same codec videos for shorter render times like VirtualDub

2.- Better color correction tools. (why we should buy Colorista to do something like that?)

3.- Special layer for animated and customizable overlays, stickers, and titles. Something lame like vMix XAML titles would be better than the actual workflow. but something well thought out would be great.

4.- Update the transitions (like here )

5.- Dynamic scale for video fx GUI

6.- A better text tool that supports, all font types, easy to understand and use, support orthographic corrections.

It's their job to make tools that we want to keep buying, and our duty let them know what we expect from them.

I'm not a heater. I want to pay for tools that make my workflow easy. If you have some other request, I believe this is a good please to post it.

I am curious what you mean by #5. Can you explain further?