Thanks.

I'm looking at building a new PC to run 64-bit Windows/Vegas.Do you have any recommendations for video?

That is good news. I am so ready to give up on Vista 64. I just hate that OS.

Sorry my last system I built was over a year ago so my info is probably outdated. Good luck.

Sound Forge Pro 10a was just released earlier this month. It oficially supports Windows 7.

I would not be suprised if a new update to Vegas Pro Video is not released soon that will oficially support Windows 7.

What about all of the other programs from Sony?

I think Sony is recognizing the importance of supporting it.

i upgraded my vista business to win7pro today. took 1.5 hours, all my programs were there, everything works. vegas runs as expected, except for the bugs.

only issue i had was with my 2-monitor setup with a switch to allow another computer to share the 2nd monitor. win7, unlike vista, changes the settings when mon 2 is turned off, necessitating going into display properties and redefining the 2-mon setup. a new win7 driver for my nvidia graphics card fixed it.

Upgraded from Vista Ultimate 64Bit to Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit, took about 1hr 30 minutes, no issues or problems during the upgrade, all programs are working fine, Vegas 9.0b is working perfectly, no earth shaking difference between 7 and vista but I always like to stay ahead of the curb...Now I can look forward to the lame ads from apple slaming windows 7....

"I think Sony is recognizing the importance of supporting it."

I don't think there was any doubt that Sony was going to support Windows 7. Vegas runs perfectly well under Win7 anyway.

"Now I can look forward to the lame ads from apple slaming windows 7."

Well, you didn't have to wait for long, did you? In my opinion, Win7 may be the best OS Microsoft has ever released. Apple should be very worried.

John Cline said:

Win7 may be the best OS Microsoft has ever released. Apple should be very worried.

I agree John.

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Win7 may be the best OS Microsoft has ever released.

Hopefully it will be as good as Windows 2000 was when it was released. I think it will be, and a big step forward from Vista and XP (for different reasons for each of those).

Apple should be very worried.

Broadpoint AmTech analyst Brian Marshall, interviewed by CNN Money:

I reviewed Mac sales figures over the past 10 years to analyze the impact of the four previous Windows launches:

So I rather doubt that Apple's executives are quaking in their boots.


So why the lack of negative correlation?

Windows is a different market with only a partial overlap with the Mac market.

This is absolutely no different from say Toyota vs. Lexus, or Buick vs. BMW, or [insert favorite car comparison here]. Only a partial overlap in pricing, and the owners tend to say "my car is better than yours," or "it's stupid to spend that much money on a car when you can get one for less."

So where do Apple's customers come from?

Many pros in visual design find Windows offensively ugly, so they pick OS X for that reason.

Others want to use a particular application that is not available for Windows, so they have no choice.

Others just have to work with other professionals who use OS X for whatever reason, and they just find that it is a royal pain in the hamstrings to deal with compatibility issues between platforms (that was what forced me to add a Mac to my computer arsenal, trying to shuffle footage back and forth with FCP users that I could not persuade to use Vegas).

But we are absolutely in agreement on this:

"Win7 may be the best OS Microsoft has ever released."

(Perhaps we can also agree that Vista was the worst OS Microsoft has ever released, excluding Windows 1 and 2 which were used by very few. Vista did at least improve to the point of being bearable, if only barely. :O)

Hopefully it will be as good as Windows 2000 was when it was released. I think it will be, and a big step forward from Vista and XP (for different reasons for each of those).

agree entirely. i just worked with 2000, never had a problem with it at all

This is absolutely no different from say Toyota vs. Lexus, or Buick vs. BMW, or [insert favorite car comparison here]. Only a partial overlap in pricing, and the owners tend to say "my car is better than yours," or "it's stupid to spend that much money on a car when you can get one for less."

how very, very true. then again, i find anyone, buying anything that costs more than a few bucks is going to defend their purchase come hell and high water. we have a annual car race here between holden (gm) and ford. all bells and hoopla, but at the end of the day both cars get you to where you're going, and both are subject to the same problems - they're equally as fast when stuck in a gridlock crossing the harbour bridge.

Many pros in visual design find Windows offensively ugly, so they pick OS X for that reason.

that's probably the hairdressers and limp-wristed designer set ;-) any pro will buy the best tool for the job.....

Others want to use a particular application that is not available for Windows, so they have no choice.

true once upon a time, but now? i stand to be corrected of course.

Others just have to work with other professionals who use OS X for whatever reason, and they just find that it is a royal pain in the hamstrings to deal with compatibility issues between platforms (that was what forced me to add a Mac to my computer arsenal, trying to shuffle footage back and forth with FCP users that I could not persuade to use Vegas).

agreed entirely. then again, i think there's a great deal of 'propriety' codecs, etc., that are promoted to deter users from looking / working elsewhere. one would hope / wish that open formats, ogg, etc., will become more mainstream in the future and that ALL nle's will work with them natively. (i know, dream on....)

"Win7 may be the best OS Microsoft has ever released."

we'll see, we'll see..... i just read there's already a snafu with the download version.... (not the program mind you, just the delivery!)

(Perhaps we can also agree that Vista was the worst OS Microsoft has ever released, excluding Windows 1 and 2 which were used by very few. Vista did at least improve to the point of being bearable, if only barely. :O)

definately disagree - windows me!!!!

now, has that render finished?

Arguably Windows ME was worse because so many people were using it.

Nobody used Windows 1, and Windows 2 was used by very few, so it didn't hurt many.

IBM's OS/2 would have been today's standard OS for PCs, if IBM's HR department hadn't sent out an edict to all engineers 3 months before the release of OS/2 Warp, that "if they didn't use up their accumulated vacation time before year end, they would lose it." So all the engineers disappeared for several months, and the release was delayed long enough for Microsoft to get their next version of Windows out, and the rest is history.

I had that sort of thing happen in one company I worked for, but I was able to immediately communicate the consequences of this to the CEO, to the point where his blood pressure about doubled, and the HR Director hid under her desk.

IBM's OS/2 would have been today's standard OS for PCs, if IBM's HR department hadn't sent out an edict to all engineers 3 months before the release of OS/2 Warp, that "if they didn't use up their accumulated vacation time before year end, they would lose it." So all the engineers disappeared for several months, and the release was delayed long enough for Microsoft to get their next version of Windows out, and the rest is history.

really!!! i never knew that. such a pity cause i had a few friends using (beta testing) os/2 and they were all full of praise and admiration.

i have to admit to a large degree of exhaustion over the os wars. especially at the moment. i mean what does it really matter what you use, win / mac / lin as long as you get the job done?

i feel complete out of my depth when my students start arguing about the various merits / problems with each others systems. all style, no substance.

bring back the rm440 and a couple of low-band vtrs.....

"Perhaps we can also agree that Vista was the worst OS Microsoft has ever released"

No, I'm not going to bash Vista. I used it a lot over the last several years and it worked really well for me. I made a lot of money running Vista and I'm not going to bite the hand that fed me.

The worst OS was probably Windows ME.

Microsoft's least successful OS by far was BOB. (At one point, the BOB project was managed by Bill Gate's girlfriend, Melinda French. The two later married.) BOB wasn't actually a bad OS, it was a decent attempt at turning the computer into an appliance. It just required a lot more horsepower that its target audience was likely to have.

The most useful OS was one for the Commodore C64 and C128, it was called GEOWORKS. It had a full graphical user interface and true multitasking. All its applications was prefixed by "Geo"; GeoWrite, GeoDraw; GeoManager; GeoPlanner; GeoDex, and GeoComm. It was incredibly sophisticated and WAY, WAY ahead of its time. It was eventually ported over to PC and MAC hardware, but it was too late by the time that happened.

The worst OS was

John! That's not like you? (lol)

I had a choice between WinPro2000(?) or WinMisery - Yeah, I'm the guy that chose the latter. WinMis almost stopped me choosing videoing & editing as a second-age career move. Other things have conspired since, but this was an almost a 'Laptop outta the "window" experience'.

Grazie

Alright, the worst OS was WinME. There really is very little doubt. I don't know what the hell Microsoft was thinking when they foisted WinME on the public. I'm pretty sure it was their accounting department that pushed for its release, it sure couldn't have been their engineers.

I've only ever encountered ME on one PC. Our church ordered a pair of custom-built boxes from the local computer store. One was dedicated to audio recording and CD burning, the other to video projection and visual media. We spec'd both with 98SE. When we got them, the shop had installed ME on the video computer because "ME comes with nifty video software built in."

It was a total disaster. Nothing worked right, it was slow, clunky, and it hung up a lot. On Monday we took the ME install disc back to the shop and badgered the guy until he exchanged it for a 98SE license. He couldn't understand why we didn't want all the "nifty video stuff" in ME. I said we didn't care about that at all since we were installing Vegas and other projection software on it. Who needs OS video fluff when we have pro software?

Have to say Although I now run Windows 7, Vista was a solid performer for me, never had a single issue or crash on past and current builds,My laptop and my other Home PC are both using Vista without issue....
XP on the other hand caused lots of issues over the years, They still run it at work and I stll find myself dealing with lock ups and the dreaded BSOD, it had been so long since I saw a BSOD I almost forgot what one looked like....

For a truly knowledgeable person, Vista is not an obstacle, just a few irritations here and there that you patch over with workarounds.

It's the less computer savvy I have a lot of compassion for. I have helped several with seriously unacceptable Vista problems they couldn't fix, and the support techs they were able to access couldn't help them either.

And Windows XP is a snake pit for the unwary. The number of zombies and virus- and worm-clogged XP machines out there is frightening (especially to the unwary...). How can you give an XP machine to a non-computer-savvy employee and expect anything but a bare-metal restore on a regular basis? Maybe some of my staffers are dumber than the average bear, but I doubt it.

I don't think Windows 7 will turn support techs into the Maytag repair men of yore (CR said the quality of their products dropped precariously after they moved manufacturing to China, so no more "Maytag Quality"), but I do expect a real reduction in calls.

Windows ME was just a bad idea. Microsoft is under some pressure from system vendors (Dell, HP, etc) to put out a new OS release every 3-4 years. This is because many users are afraid to upgrade, so they buy new systems with the new OS installed. Thus, at least until Vista came along, a new OS release pushed PC sales.

Microsoft really didn't have anything useful for a fall 2000 release. They had been pushing for a version of NT/Windows 2000 for the home, having already annouced that Windows 98 was the last MS-DOS based version of Windows. But that new full 32-bit consumer OS wasn't happening any time soon (it wasn't until Windows XP, in fact), so Windows ME was a stop-gap.

It was really supposed to more or less be Windows 98 Third Edition. The problem was that by then, the old hybrid 16/32-bit, MS-DOS based Windows was in trouble. Most of the programmers experienced with these hacks had left the company or moved onto other projects, so they really lost control of the code. For every new feature added or bug fixed, several new bugs appeared, or so it would seem.

PC World rated Windows ME not only a bad OS, but the fourth place in their "Worst Tech Products of All Time"... behind AOL and a few other atrocities, one place worse than Sony's rootkit CDs.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/125772/the_25_worst_tech_products_of_all_time.html

Wickedly funny list...

WinME:
"Windows Mistake Edition"
"Forget Y2K; this was the real millennium bug."

:O)

John Cline said:
> Win7 may be the best OS Microsoft has ever released. Apple should be very worried.

blueprojekt replied:
>I agree John.

I third that. Win7 is working very nicely. I'm 64-bit across my major aps (except for AE, but I can live with that). I'm having no problems.

I notice that Apple bailed on putting out a cheaper laptop. Mind you, how are they going to compete with touch-screen systems for $500?

What I'm looking forward to...a nice big table-top screen and touch-screen editing in Vegas. Now that would be interesting.

I notice that Apple bailed on putting out a cheaper laptop.

They dropped their prices quite a bit, including on the MacBook Pro models.

how are they going to compete with touch-screen systems for $500?

The same way $1,000 laptops compete with netbooks?

Pundits everywhere are telling Apple, "You're not doing it the right way!"

In response, Apple is smiling a Mona Lisa smile, knowing they have one third of the entire computer industry's profits, and 30% of the entire mobile phone handset industry's profits.

So "doing it the wrong way" is a relative concept.