working with 4K ProRes files in MS 15

James-Honeycutt wrote on 1/22/2019, 10:52 AM

Hello.... I have some 4K ProRes files I need to import and burn. I shot movie film and had the film scanned in at 4K. Will MS 15 Platinum suite support ProRes properly? I can import it, but I can not find a way to export it in 4K.

I am running built 157 and my system is Windows 10 with all the updates.

Thank you

mraroid

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j-v wrote on 1/22/2019, 11:50 AM

I can import it, but I can not find a way to export it in 4K.

1. Choose the right project properties one way or the other
2. Choose make movie for rendering. In Make Movie choose Save it......
3. In Save it to my harddrive choose Mp4
4. Choose also Advanced settings
5. Next screen pops up: Render as....
6. There you see lot of possibilities that you can choose for rendering your project

 

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James-Honeycutt wrote on 1/22/2019, 12:08 PM

And it will save at 4K?

 

j-v wrote on 1/22/2019, 12:51 PM

Do you think that a good edit program as Vegas is showing rendertemplates it cannot render to?
Or have you other thoughts about 4K than the developers and I also have?

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Vegas software: VP 10 to 22 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

My slogan is: BE OR BECOME A STEM CELL DONOR!!! (because it saved my life in 2016)

 

James-Honeycutt wrote on 1/22/2019, 3:01 PM

Thank you for the help j-v....

I am trying to do two things -

1) I want to edit my film in 4K and upload it to YouTube.  I am unsure of which file format I will end up with, and which file format You Tube likes in 4K.

2) I want to burn a 4K Blu-Ray.  I have a Pioneer BDR-211UBK 4K burner.

My film was shot at 24 fps.  They are two short clips, each just under 3 minutes.  The two files came back from the company that scanned them in at 4K.  The files are called ProRes 444. Each film clip is around 29 GBs large.

Do I need to ask the company that scanned them in for additional details?  And if so, which details should I ask for?

Any help appreciated.

Thanks

 

mark-b8783 wrote on 1/22/2019, 3:08 PM

Hi,

When editing 4K after putting the 4K Video File on timeline a PROXY file is created.

Do you put the Proxy file on the timeline and edit that instead of the 4K file previously imported?

I understand changing the video preview to default will view the proxy file in normal frame rate instead of trying to view 4K file in low res.

When exporting/creating MP4 do you select the Proxy File or the 4K file?

What are the best export options that would use the NVIDA Cuda GPU to render as well as CPU GPU.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

ps I have 35GB of 4K video to edit/upload :-)

Cheers

j-v wrote on 1/22/2019, 3:21 PM

@mark-b8783
Please do not steal someone other's post.
Make your own post, choose the exact subject for your question and post it again.

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Laptop  :Asus ROG Str G712L, W11 home version 23H2, CPU i7-10875H, 16 GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 with Studiodriver 576.02 and Intel UHD Graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Vegas software: VP 10 to 22 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

My slogan is: BE OR BECOME A STEM CELL DONOR!!! (because it saved my life in 2016)

 

j-v wrote on 1/22/2019, 3:39 PM

@James-Honeycutt

On YT you will find the exact demands of YT 4K-upload for playing in the highest quality. Be aware that YT will convert your file.
Some demands are H264 and Mp4, all the settings I showed you you can use but maybe the best is this customized default one and choose there the encode mode that you have available and suites you the best.

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Laptop  :Asus ROG Str G712L, W11 home version 23H2, CPU i7-10875H, 16 GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 with Studiodriver 576.02 and Intel UHD Graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Vegas software: VP 10 to 22 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

My slogan is: BE OR BECOME A STEM CELL DONOR!!! (because it saved my life in 2016)

 

mark-b8783 wrote on 1/22/2019, 3:52 PM

Didnt look at it as stealing a post!! More a continuation of a thread on same subject?

Anyhow my files are H265 10bit.

I would like to know if you select the proxy file or full 4k file on timeline for rendering?

Cheers

j-v wrote on 1/22/2019, 4:06 PM

It is a total other subject about the same program ( I think because your were not telling your version you work with)

The answer you find in the manual or the helpfiles, look here:
https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/movie-studio-beginner-s-tutorial--103312/#ca708766

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Laptop  :Asus ROG Str G712L, W11 home version 23H2, CPU i7-10875H, 16 GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 with Studiodriver 576.02 and Intel UHD Graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Vegas software: VP 10 to 22 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

My slogan is: BE OR BECOME A STEM CELL DONOR!!! (because it saved my life in 2016)

 

James-Honeycutt wrote on 1/22/2019, 4:23 PM

@James-Honeycutt

On YT you will find the exact demands of YT 4K-upload for playing in the highest quality.

Thank you for the additional information. I will try this tonight and report back.

james

James-Honeycutt wrote on 1/23/2019, 10:19 AM

@James-Honeycutt

On YT you will find the exact demands of YT 4K-upload for playing in the highest quality.

I am rendering right now. I have clicked all over the place to find the screen shot you posted here, but can not find it. Can you direct me to the correct place to find this? Thank you j-v

j-v wrote on 1/23/2019, 11:01 AM

Sure, see here:

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Vegas software: VP 10 to 22 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

My slogan is: BE OR BECOME A STEM CELL DONOR!!! (because it saved my life in 2016)

 

James-Honeycutt wrote on 1/23/2019, 11:40 AM

Sure, see here:

Ah! right in front of my nose! Thank you. First render came out OK, but a couple of times a bit jerky. I have 32GBs of RAM, i7 processor, Nvidia 1080 video card, and a solid state drive. Doing another render now.

One question re the variable bit rate. If I increase them, will the quality of my video go up? And if so, how high can I increase them to?

If this render comes out OK, I will try burning a Blu-ray next.

Thank you for all your help.

jack

j-v wrote on 1/23/2019, 2:22 PM

What exactly rendertemplate did you use and what is the MediaInfo of your sourcefile? Higher than the bitrate of your sourcefile gives nothing more than you had before.

Last changed by j-v on 1/23/2019, 3:05 PM, changed a total of 1 times.

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Laptop  :Asus ROG Str G712L, W11 home version 23H2, CPU i7-10875H, 16 GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 with Studiodriver 576.02 and Intel UHD Graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Vegas software: VP 10 to 22 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

My slogan is: BE OR BECOME A STEM CELL DONOR!!! (because it saved my life in 2016)

 

James-Honeycutt wrote on 1/23/2019, 2:32 PM

My rendertemplate is identical to what you posted. My video came out looking great. I have been able to play it using VLC Media player. Can you tell me how to find the MediaInfo? I right clicked on my source file and did the same with it on the timeline. But I could not find the pick for MediaInfo. I would like to learn how to do that. Thank you for helping me. I made great progress today.

James-Honeycutt wrote on 1/23/2019, 2:42 PM

j-y.....

Should I start a new thread for this question?  I have some 16mm color film that was shot in 1934 arriving in the mail.  It was not processed until a month or so ago.  Modern chemistry was matched as close as possible to the old chemistry, but it was not perfect.  The result was that the film came out, but the grain is an issue (very large).  I have not used any FX filters as of yet, but thought that maybe one might help. Do you have a suggestion?

Thanks again,

jack

j-v wrote on 1/23/2019, 3:04 PM

For the MediaInfo see here: https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-how-to-post-mediainfo-and-vegas-pro-file-properties--104561/

For your other question make a new post because it is a common video question and not a begiiners question for learning the program.

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566.14 Studiodriver and Intel HD graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Laptop  :Asus ROG Str G712L, W11 home version 23H2, CPU i7-10875H, 16 GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 with Studiodriver 576.02 and Intel UHD Graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Vegas software: VP 10 to 22 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

My slogan is: BE OR BECOME A STEM CELL DONOR!!! (because it saved my life in 2016)

 

James-Honeycutt wrote on 1/23/2019, 3:07 PM

For the MediaInfo see here: https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-how-to-post-mediainfo-and-vegas-pro-file-properties--104561/

For your other question make a new post because it is a common video question and not a begiiners question for learning the program.


Thanks!!

jack

James-Honeycutt wrote on 1/23/2019, 5:00 PM
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Media manager
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Plug-In
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I hope i did this correctly. Here 'ya go j-v

jack