Working with VP15 on UHD monitor

snacky wrote on 11/26/2017, 2:34 PM

Hi,

Just want to get someone's opinion on working on a project with UHD/4k monitor (24 or 27 inch)

How it looks? Do you need to use Windows scaling option, if yes how the menus and timeline is visible?

Does Vegas supports scaling?

 

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snacky wrote on 11/26/2017, 4:35 PM

I'm working on my desktop connected with 3 monitors.
The biggest one 4K 27 inch I attach on the mainbord and the other ones on the Nvidia. I tested all the options and my preference is the next setting in Windows and for the rest I do nothing for working on one screen.
When I wish to work on more than 1 screen I drag a Vegas window to that screen or I use the same or another one for exactly previewing on the whole screen.
Normal the other screens are off or play other things as TV.

thanks, I'm considering move to 4k monitors only and I'm wondering if the scaling will do or not any scaling issues with Vegas... when I tried scaling on my FHD monitor I see that Vegas menus and other objects are interpolated/scaled and blurry in effect

was wondering how it looks on 4k monitor with let say scaling set to 150%

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aboammar wrote on 11/26/2017, 5:04 PM

Since Vegas Pro 15 is not 100% 4K compatible, expect to see the UI icons and texts a little blurry, not 4K sharp!

I am using Vegas Pro 15 on a 24" 4K display and the scaling is OK and acceptable, though not perfect. The default Windows 10 scaling for 4K resolution is 200% however that makes everything tiny and hard to see .. well maybe I am just getting old! So I changed the Windows scaling to 225% and that is fine to my eyes.

See for yourself:

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aboammar wrote on 11/26/2017, 5:19 PM

Vegas Pro 15 will look like this at Windows scaling set to 150%:

And you may want to read my post on the same subject here:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/vegas-15-pro-problem-with-4k-screen--108692/#ca669954

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OS: Windows 10 Pro 64bit

Display: 23.6" UHD 4K

CPU: Xeon E3-1270 v5  quad-core @ 3.60GHz, 8MB cache, up to 4GHz with Intel Turbo Boost Technology

GPU: nVidia Quadro M2000M 4GB

RAM: 32GB DDR4 2133MHz ECC memory

System Drive: 1TB M.2 (2500MB/s)

Working Drive: 1TB M.2 (2500MB/s)

Storage Drive: 3GB SSD (500MB/s)

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liork wrote on 11/27/2017, 2:35 AM

Since Vegas Pro 15 is not 100% 4K compatible, expect to see the UI icons and texts a little blurry, not 4K sharp!

I am using Vegas Pro 15 on a 24" 4K display and the scaling is OK and acceptable, though not perfect. The default Windows 10 scaling for 4K resolution is 200% however that makes everything tiny and hard to see .. well maybe I am just getting old! So I changed the Windows scaling to 225% and that is fine to my eyes.

See for yourself:

In my opinion, 24" is much too small for 4K resolution. I had 27" 4K, moved to 32" 4K and now VEGAS 15 looks great, with 150% scaling.

walter-i. wrote on 11/27/2017, 4:34 AM

In my opinion, 24" is much too small for 4K resolution. I had 27" 4K, moved to 32" 4K and now VEGAS 15 looks great, with 150% scaling.

Could yo give us please a screenshot - to have an example?

@liork

liork wrote on 11/28/2017, 1:43 AM

I am at the office now, where I still have a 27" 4K monitor, and this is how it looks with a 200% scaling. If you want, I can grab a screenshot from the 32" monitor tomorrow.

snacky wrote on 11/28/2017, 4:31 AM

I am at the office now, where I still have a 27" 4K monitor, and this is how it looks with a 200% scaling. If you want, I can grab a screenshot from the 32" monitor tomorrow.

thx for screenshot, looks blurry to me

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liork wrote on 11/28/2017, 5:16 AM

Its blurry because the the forum software does not open the screenshot image with 100% scale.

aboammar wrote on 11/28/2017, 11:53 AM

Its blurry because the the forum software does not open the screenshot image with 100% scale.

This is not the reason that the screenshots looks blurry, the reason is because Vegas Pro 15 is not yet 100% compatible with high DPI monitors and the interface will always looks blurry especially when comparing to software that are 100% compatible with high DPI displays like Resolve.

Here is a screenshot for resolve:

And here is a screenshot for Vegas Pro 15:

As you can see, the difference in UI sharpens is huge .. It is still acceptable to me, but hopefully Vegas Pro 16 will be 100% compatible with high DPI screens.

HP Z1 AIO Workstation G3

OS: Windows 10 Pro 64bit

Display: 23.6" UHD 4K

CPU: Xeon E3-1270 v5  quad-core @ 3.60GHz, 8MB cache, up to 4GHz with Intel Turbo Boost Technology

GPU: nVidia Quadro M2000M 4GB

RAM: 32GB DDR4 2133MHz ECC memory

System Drive: 1TB M.2 (2500MB/s)

Working Drive: 1TB M.2 (2500MB/s)

Storage Drive: 3GB SSD (500MB/s)

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liork wrote on 11/28/2017, 2:47 PM

Here is a screenshot from a 32" UHD monitor, 150% sacling in windows.

snacky wrote on 11/28/2017, 2:50 PM

Here is a screenshot from a 32" UHD monitor, 150% sacling in windows.

thx, blurry also... it looks like something is wrong with Vegas and scaling

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Laptop #2 Lenovo P50, i7-6820HQ 2.7GHz, Intel HD Graphics 530, 32 GB DDR4, GPU Quadro  M1000M 4GB

 

aboammar wrote on 11/28/2017, 3:58 PM

Here is a screenshot from a 32" UHD monitor, 150% sacling in windows.

thx, blurry also... it looks like something is wrong with Vegas and scaling

Nothing is wrong with Vegas, this is very normal. As I said before, the interface of Vegas Pro 15 will always look blurry on a 4K display because it dose not yet fully support high DPI screens. It uses the default Windows scaling so it will always be blurry until it fully support high DPI mode, hopefully in the next major update.

HP Z1 AIO Workstation G3

OS: Windows 10 Pro 64bit

Display: 23.6" UHD 4K

CPU: Xeon E3-1270 v5  quad-core @ 3.60GHz, 8MB cache, up to 4GHz with Intel Turbo Boost Technology

GPU: nVidia Quadro M2000M 4GB

RAM: 32GB DDR4 2133MHz ECC memory

System Drive: 1TB M.2 (2500MB/s)

Working Drive: 1TB M.2 (2500MB/s)

Storage Drive: 3GB SSD (500MB/s)

Video: Vegas Pro 16 Suite / DaVinci Resolve 16 Studio

Audio: PreSonus Studio One Pro 5

Graphics: CorelDraw Technical Suite 2020 / Xara Designer Pro X365

Image Editing: Corel PhotoPaint 2020 / Corel PaintShop Pro X9 Ultimate / PHASEONE Capture One Pro 11

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AVsupport wrote on 11/29/2017, 12:48 AM

when you click "override high DPI scaling.." in the right-click context menu [properties>compatibility] of the application, wouldn't that make your Vegas look good & sharp again? (I'm also looking at a screen upgrade to 4K down the track..with enough realestate to show 100% fullHD init)

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2x 4TB 7200RPM NAS HGST data drive,

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main screen 4K/50p 1ms scaled @175%, second screen 1920x1080/50p 1ms.

ritsmer wrote on 11/29/2017, 2:04 AM

Since 40" monitors are becoming cheaper why not take the full step?

The last 2 years I have used a 4K Philips 40" monitor - plus a 2560x1600 HP 32" monitor at the right side.

I remember having many doubts about icon size, text, Vegas Preview etc. - and had a return option buying the monotor - but I got quite surprised how well it all worked. The 3840x2160 pixels on the 40" real estate need no scaling.

Sitting in a normal distance (about 50 cm) in front of the 40" it covers my field-of-view well.

Everything including the Vegas Pro (14 and 15) UI is clear and sharp. Even the most unnecessary and space eating "Hamburgers" IMHO.

Nice to have the media shown in Directory Opus on the 32" monitor full screen to the right - the thumbnails are 79x45 mm and show the details well.