A list of known and verified issues in VP10c

Christian de Godzinsky wrote on 4/27/2011, 10:31 AM

Here is a short but compact list of known and verified errors in VP10c - either confirmed by SCS - or at least - by several users.

You can still add missing issues, but please also report about fixed issues in 10d, they deserve to get OFF the pending issues list ASAP. I will regularly update this first post in this thread, based on YOUR feedback posted here. Thank you SCS for the fixes so far!

FIXED IN 10d:

(1) Sony Color Curves - Tangent Bug
Discovered by Nick Hope, confirmed by SCS (not very serious):
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=759143

(2) Time Code Error
Reported by ErikD - Confirmed by SCS (very serious for those that depend on time-code):
www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=755217

(8) GOP issue with 25p footage from CX700 camcorder
Reported in a foreign discussion board. Confirmed by SCS.

[16] V10.0c is not sharing ASIO drivers like V8 did
Reported by jasman and confirmed at least by by many other users. However, this MIGHT still be a problem with some other specific audio hardware and/or software, and not confirmed by SCS as a Vegas bug.
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=752909
Reported by jasman to be fixed when using RME Multiface sound cards.

OPEN issues in 10c and 10d:

(3) Vegas replacing footage on timeline
Reported at least by ChristofferDK - Confirmed (partially) by SCS (serious when it happens - for anyone):
www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=757846

(4) ProTypeTitler delayed preview on the timeline
Reported by VanLazarus and me - Confirmed by several others (not very serious - but a real nuisance if you use ProType Titler interacively):
www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=750774

(5) FX TL keyframes issues since rewrite for OFX
May have little impact unless using many curves and need precise sync. Some fixes with 10b but it definitively needs more work:
www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?Forum=4&MessageID=744007
www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?Forum=4&MessageID=736062

(6) Elastique pro issue with x64 which may jeopardize your mix
Discovered few days ago by myself. Confirmed by ChristoC. This one won't come fixed in 10d, I am hopeful it will with 10e:
www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?MessageID=760597

(7) Gamma compensation error with PNG images sequences imported into a 32bit 2.22 gamma project
Bug introduced with VP9, confirmed by SCS:
www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?Forum=4&MessageID=729859

(9) Copy and paste events with OFX filters from a Vegas session
This does not work in 64-bit Vegas but does work in 32-bit Vegas. Copying from a Vegas session onto a second Vegas session will crash that second session making it impossible to copy events with OFX filters from one project onto another. It has been confirmed a bug by SCS via a support ticket.

(10) Resizing an HD project to SD is broken, confirmed by SCS as a bug
Reported and added by bastinado
www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=754098

(11) V10.0a No FX Sends from Inputs bug
Confirmed by SCS. Reference Number: 101014-000078
www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?MessageID=731865&Replies=0

(12) V10.0a Mixer Input Bus Solo does not work bug
Confirmed by SCS. Reference Number: 101015-000021
www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?MessageID=731976&Replies=1

(13) VU meter in Preview channel does not change bug
Confirmed by SCS. Reference Number: 101014-000040
www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=19&MessageID=732296

(14) Since VegasPro8.0a: Metronome always plays Quarter notes
Confirmed by SCS. Reference Number 071026-000009
When setting "Note that gets one beat" to a setting OTHER THAN "Quarter" in the Project Properties - Ruler Tab, the Metronome does not change - it always plays on Quarter notes.

(15) No selection area showing in Chromakey selection tool picker
Same behavior can be found in secondary color corrector, etc.. (since version 9)
Confirmed by numerous users

(17) Vegas does not support multichannel VSTs on the surround bus
Vegas should report an error indicating that the plug-in is not supported. Reported by jasman and by ChristoC, confirmed by SonyPCH
www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=756383

(18) *.png sequence disappears and cannot render after resize
*.png sequence disappears and cannot render after resize using pan crop and adjusting playback speed using r/click and dragging image sequence.
Discovered and reported by Byron K, confirmed by other users and confirmed as a bug by SCS.
www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=735837

(19) Disc At Once Audio (CD) writing fails even if reported as success
Posted by AZEdit, confirmed by several other users
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?MessageID=761579&Replies=3

(20) Sony AVC encoder will not render to 30.000 fps.
Reporter by amendegw, acknowledgers as a bug by SCS (ref 101015-000081)
www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?MessageID=732104&Replies=1

(21) MainConcept AVC/AAC CBR bitrate erroneous display
Reported by amendegw, confirmed as a bug by SCS (ref 091015-000056)

CREDITS for finding/adding issues to this list:

Issues 1, 2, 3 and 4 added by me (but issues detected by others)
Issues 5, 6 ,7 and 8 added by LoTN
Issue 9 added by Rosto99
Issue 10 reported and added by bastinado
Issues 11, 12, 13 and 14 added by ChristoC
Issue 15, added by ushere
Issue 16, reported and added by jasman
Issue 17, reported by jasman, added by ChristoC
Issue 18, reported and added by Byron K
Issue 19, reported by AZEdit
Issues 20, 21 reported by amendegw

FIXES IN 10d:

Issue 1 ticked as fixed by Nick Hope
Issue 8 ticked as fixed by LoTN, according to a poster in a foreign forum.
Issue 2 (time code issue) ticked fixed by rs170a
Issue 16 ticked as fixed by jasman at least problem is fixed with RME Multiface sound cards.

PLEASE REPORT BACK HERE whenever you have found that an bug got fixed in the VP 10d update. I will update the list accordingly! I will of course always credit the contributor(s).

I have no way of checking the validity of your additions, so this is a shared responsibility project. My intentions are purely constructive publishing this list hoping that this also helps SCS to pinpoint some issues we have - or have had.

regards,

Christian

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Comments

ChristoC wrote on 5/7/2011, 12:19 AM

Vegas 10d is a major disappointment as far as I am concerned.
Issues 6, 11, 12, 13, 14, 16 & 17 still exist.
I have not tested the others so far....

ushere wrote on 5/7/2011, 12:47 AM

15 ok.

Christian de Godzinsky wrote on 5/7/2011, 12:50 AM

Hi ushere,

I will keep editing this post as I promised - on a daily basis. With the help of you (all) I gladly tick those errors from the list that you confirm fixed. I do myself some testing too, but I really need your help here.

So please chime in with your findings!

cheers,

Christian

Christian de Godzinsky wrote on 5/7/2011, 12:56 AM

ushere,

Can you elaborate on issue 15. I still cannot see a selection area in VP10d (32 bit) in the Sony Chroma Key when I select the sampler (pipette) and drag an area in the preview window! Can you ?

Christian

ushere wrote on 5/7/2011, 1:36 AM

sorry, meant not ok......

apologies ;-(

Rob Franks wrote on 5/7/2011, 3:58 AM

"Vegas 10d is a major disappointment as far as I am concerned. Issues 6, 11, 12, 13, 14, 16 & 17 still exist. "

I don't know about the others but #16 (sharing of asio) is not confirmed and noted by Sony as far as I know, and I have no issues with sharing my asio drivers. I normally have Vegas and 2 other asio programs open without issue.

IMO... this is not a vegas issue you are having.

LoTN wrote on 5/7/2011, 4:50 AM

(8) Fixed according to poster in foreign forum.

rs170a wrote on 5/7/2011, 4:55 AM

#2 (time code issue) is fixed.

Mike

Randy Brown wrote on 5/7/2011, 6:58 AM

I don't see in the release notes where number 3 (replacing footage) was fixed?

jasman wrote on 5/9/2011, 9:46 AM

With all due respect, #16 certainly IS a Vegas problem and was confirmed by them in the cited thread. V8 does not have the problem. I haven't tested V10d yet, but this fix is not on their list of issues addressed.
However, I can imagine some ASIO driver situations that would give the appearance of not misbehaving. It seems that it is highly dependent on the particular way Vegas software interacts with specific sound cards' ASIO drivers.
James

ChristoC wrote on 5/9/2011, 9:56 AM

re #16 I agree with James; I have 3 soundcards in the PC which use all available ASIO streams (Windows limit is 256 streams) - I have tested this already & VegasPro10d still unjustifiably grabs all of them - I limit Vegas access to ASIO streams with a registry hack.

Christian de Godzinsky wrote on 5/9/2011, 12:53 PM

Haven't had time yet to explore very much 10d. Highly appreciated that you chime in if you have found issues that are on this list and should be removed. I'll edit the list continuously.

cheers,

Christian

PS: Thanks SCS for the item 2 fix - a big helper for me :)

Randy Brown wrote on 5/9/2011, 1:12 PM

#16 seems to be fixed for me.
Before VP10d only one instance would have my Delta 1010 available...I just opened 3 instances and it is available in all 3.

NickHope wrote on 5/9/2011, 9:29 PM

ChristoC, could you please share the hack, perhaps on the original thread? I suspect I might need this soon.

ChristoC wrote on 5/10/2011, 2:08 AM

Nick, as far as I know the reg hack only works for SSL/Soundscape ASIO driver, and is well known within the SSL/Soundscape user community, therefore no point is giving details here yet until I work out if the general thrust of the hack works for other cards ..... however if you have an ASIO soundcard, maybe PM me and I'll see if we can 'crack some hack' for yours; you can be a crash-test-dummy.....
BTW the hack isn't necessary for applications like IzotopeRX2, Cubase, Nuendo, Reaper & Awave; just VegasPro and some other applications grab all available ASIO streams - the situation varies from manufacturer to manufacturer.

amendegw wrote on 5/12/2011, 11:01 AM

I probably should have reported this earlier, but here are 2 more bugs, reported, acknowledged as bugs and not yet fixed in 10.d.

I) Sony AVC encoder will not render to 30.000 fps. ref:

Steps to recreate:

1) Open Vegas 10.0a Edit: Obviously, this now occurs in 10.0d - just did a cut-and-paste from the incident report.
2) File -> New
3) Click the "Match Media Settings" icon. Navigate to a 30fps (not 29.97) fps .MOV clip. Click "OK"
4) Drag a 30fps .MOV clip to the timeline
5) File -> Render As
6) Select the Sony AVC encoder.
7) Select the Internet 16:9 1280x720-30p Template.
8) Click "Custom"
9) Change "Frame Rate" from "29.970 (NTSC)" to "30.000" and click "OK"
10) Click "Save" to render the project.
11) Vegas reports an undetermined error.

Note: this bug is further documented here: http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?MessageID=732104&Replies=1

II) MainConcept AVC/AAC CBR bitrate erroneously displays 192,000 bps when setting a bitrate not displayed in the dropdown bitrate selector. ref: 091015-000056 Reported: 10/15/2009

Documentation here:

...Jerry

LoTN wrote on 5/14/2011, 12:10 AM

Stabilized media ends in error when doing export to tape. Acknowledged by SCS.

Christian de Godzinsky wrote on 5/15/2011, 3:32 AM

Hi.

Thank you amendegw for notifying on two missing important ones, I added them to the list.

LoTN, can you elaborate on the "Stabilized media ends in error when doing export to tape". What kind of error do you get. Has SCS recognized this as a bug? Do you have a reference number for that?

I planned to close the list (not add new issues) and just edit in upon fixes released, but if you have knowledge of an repeatable issue that deserves to be added, please post it, I will add it to the list.

Christian

LoTN wrote on 5/15/2011, 5:34 AM

Hello Christian,

This one was reported in a foreign forum. I suggested to wait for 10d and see. The original poster have had a try with 10d and faced the same issue. According to his last post including a quote from SCS support answer, the problem is in the list of things to fix. I am sorry, I don't have a tracking number.

If I recall correctly, a long time ago, someone reported here that Vegas had problems when trying to save a project with media when there were events stabilized with SCS stabilization plugin based on Mercalli. It looks like this is the same kind of issue but when printing to tape.

Rob Franks wrote on 5/15/2011, 6:52 AM

"re #16 I agree with James; I have 3 soundcards in the PC which use all available ASIO streams (Windows limit is 256 streams) - I have tested this already & VegasPro10d still unjustifiably grabs all of them - I limit Vegas access to ASIO streams with a registry hack. "

Once again... I have NO issues with Vegas and asio and Vegas DOES NOT grab asio for itself. I can open Adobe Soundbooth, Adobe Audtion, And Vegas (all set for asio) at the same time and in fact have them ALL playing at the same time.

I suggest you check your machine or your asio driver because your problem is not Vegas.

pwppch wrote on 5/15/2011, 9:20 AM

WRT #16:

I cannot reproduce Vegas hogging ASIO hardware, as long as the close audio and MIDI hardware general pref is set correctly.

I do not have ChrstoC's SSL hardware to test with, so it could be a specific case with that hardware. I have attempted to contact SSL, but have had no response.

Vegas only opens the ASIO channels that are in use. It does not grab all available streams. So if you hardware has 16 channels, but your project is using only 2, Vegas only opens the 2 streams requested. I have seen hardware/drivers that prevent any other host from using additional channels once a host has opened any channel combination. However, this only occurs if the first host does not release ports on a loss of focus. This was the bug specifically addressed in 10d.

Peter

ChristoC wrote on 5/15/2011, 2:54 PM

Peter, regardless of the setting "close audio and MIDI hardware" general pref, I have a problem: if I do no limit the available ASIO streams to Vegas (and SoundForge) in Registry I get a message at start "Vegas Pro has stopped working", and Vegas closes.

If I limit the available streams that message goes away and Vegas functions normally, albeit that I can only use the streams I specified in registry for I/O.

In their Driver Readme, SSL advise: Currently ASIO can only access 254 Inputs and 254 Outputs. ASIO will not work properly with the SSL Soundscape ASIO-> ALL DEVICES drivers, when the amount of available IO for all SSL Soundscape Cards exceeds this limit .....
I definitely have enough cards stuffed in the PC to achieve 256 I/O Streams (i.e. exceed the 254 limit) , but do not have ASIO-> ALL DEVICES selected; I have just 1 of the 3 available devices selected, and have the trouble whether I select a device with just 64 or 128 I/O Streams.

Remarkably, SSL/Soundscape's own DAW, "Editor", has no drama accessing and using all 3 cards simultaneously.

In the same PC (and another "spare" PC with just 2 cards; 2 x 64 = 128 streams) other applications like Cubase, Melodyne Studio, IzotopeRX2 and Reaper do not suffer with the same problem as Vegas & Soundforge; i.e. they function fine without any registry hack (although they will present problems, as predicted, when ASIO-> ALL DEVICES is selected). I'm presuming that Cubase behaves fine because Steinberg developed the ASIO spec and probably adhere to it rigidly. Somehow Izotope & Reaper just got it right. Celemony's Melodyne Studio used to behave bad until I & others complained; now since V3.2.1.3 onwards Melodyne Studio no longer monopolizes all ASIO I/Os, with no change to the SSL/Soundscape driver. I know that is fact, as I was Beta-testing for both Celemony and Soundscape at the time.

Therefore I know the problem can be fixed, and it is the application causing the problem.

The SSL/Soundscape cards are true multiclient devices and will happily work sharing streams from as many applications the user chooses to run concurrently. All streams & all audio I/O of all cards simultaneously are made available to all PC-native audio application at the same time, with all driver-standards simultaneoulsy (ASIO2, GSIF2, MME, WDM, DWave).

pwppch wrote on 5/15/2011, 5:21 PM

I am not saying it cannot be fixed, but SSL is not responding to requests for information. As soon as we can communicate with SSL, I am sure we can fix the problem. We have not reproduced this behavior with any ASIO supported hardware.

I will make further attempts to contact SSL. I am sure it is just some mix up in communications.

Can you tell me the exact hardware devices and driver versions you are using from SSL?

Peter

ChristoC wrote on 5/15/2011, 7:24 PM

Hardware in main PC:
2 x Mixpander9 (64 streams each)
1 x MX4 (128 streams)

Hardware in spare PC:
2 x Mixpander9 (64 streams each)

Drivers:
Version 6.1.0.0

In both cases onboard soundcards are disabled in BIOS.

Peter, if you PM me I can give you email of the person who develops the drivers. He has reproduced the problem and is ready and willing to assist.