Am I better off selling my RTX 2080 Super for the Intel Arc?

Richvideo wrote on 11/7/2022, 10:21 PM

Others in this forum might know more about this than I do,

Should I sell my RTX 2080 Super and buy the Intel Arc ?

Would this give me an encoding speed/picture quality advantage over my 2080 NEVEC encoding in Vegas 20?

Would my plugins still be GPU accelerated or are they optimized to NVIDIA (Boris CC and others)

I think that I would like to make use of AV 1 encodes for Vimeo (Smaller files size) Voukoder for Vegas has that option now (Beta 12 version) the ARC provides hardware encoding for it - I have heard the quality is better than the RTX 4000 series AV 1

My system is a Alienware Aurora with an AMD Ryzen 3900

* Not a MAGIX product but do you think that Topaz Video Enhance will work with the Arc?

 

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Former user wrote on 11/8/2022, 12:42 AM

* Not a MAGIX product but do you think that Topaz Video Enhance will work with the Arc?

Topaz VEAI looks to work fine

Would this give me an encoding speed/picture quality advantage over my 2080 NEVEC encoding in Vegas 20?

Would my plugins still be GPU accelerated or are they optimized to NVIDIA (Boris CC and others)

This is GPU FX for Resolve, not so good

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 11/8/2022, 1:01 AM

@Richvideo The Arc would give you more formats but I'd be surprised if an a770 could process fx and timelines as well as a 2080. But you could get the best of both worlds adding an inexpensive a380 as a 2nd gpu. They're about the same encoding and decoding.

Btw, you can get very similar quality and file size advantages from hevc as from av1... I upload in 10-bit hevc to vimeo and youtube all the time. I did try av1 made with Voukoder 11.1 Arc_beta and youtube took it fine... but they transcode to vp9 so I'd rather send them vp9_qsv. But no ones got that yet that I know of.

Richvideo wrote on 11/8/2022, 1:42 AM

@Richvideo The Arc would give you more formats but I'd be surprised if an a770 could process fx and timelines as well as a 2080. But you could get the best of both worlds adding an inexpensive a380 as a 2nd gpu. They're about the same encoding and decoding.

Btw, you can get very similar quality and file size advantages from hevc as from av1... I upload in 10-bit hevc to vimeo and youtube all the time. I did try av1 made with Voukoder 11.1 Arc_beta and youtube took it fine... but they transcode to vp9 so I'd rather send them vp9_qsv. But no ones got that yet that I know of.

I only have room for one GPU in my Alienware case...In order to run two GPUs I assume that I would need some sort of external enclosure.

I thought that AV 1 files are supposed to be more condensed than HEVC ?

 

RogerS wrote on 11/8/2022, 2:23 AM

Personally I looked at both and got a 2080 Super for use in Vegas as overall the NVIDIA is a more capable card. Intel ARC drivers are still a work in progress that I would rather not deal with.

Yelandkeil wrote on 11/8/2022, 2:58 AM

For HW graphics card, my understanding is, as long as you're running in the 400$ circle, you do only get that 400$ performance, brand or generation has very limited influence.

ASUS TUF Gaming B550plus BIOS3202: 
- Thermaltake TOUGHPOWER GF1 850W 
- ADATA XPG GAMMIX S11PRO; 512GB/sys, 2TB/data 
- G.SKILL F4-3200C16Q-64GFX 
- AMD Ryzen9 5950x + LiquidFreezer II-240 
- XFX Speedster-MERC319-RX6900XT <-AdrenalinEdition 24.12.1
Samsung 2xLU28R55 HDR10 (300CD/m², 1499Nits/peak) ->2xDPort
ROCCAT Kave 5.1Headset/Mic ->Analog (AAFOptimusPack 6.0.9403.1)
LG DSP7 Surround 5.1Soundbar ->TOSLINK

Lumix DC-GH6/H-FS12060E: HLG4k60p, AWBw, shutter=100, ISO=auto (250 - 6400)
DJI Mini4 Pro: HLG4k60p, AWB, shutter=auto, ISO=auto, EV-2.0
HERO5: ProtuneFlat2.7k60pLinear, WB=4800K, Shutter=auto, ISO=800

Win11Pro: 24H2-26100.4349; Direct3D API: 12.2
VEGASPro22 + XMediaRecode/Handbrake + DVDArchi7 
AcidPro10 + SoundForgePro14.0.065 + SpectraLayersPro7 
K-LitecodecPack17.8.0 (MPC Video Renderer for HDR10-Videoplayback on PC) 

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 11/9/2022, 4:07 PM

@Richvideo

... I thought that AV 1 files are supposed to be more condensed than HEVC ?

Thought that too till I just tested it. Hevc and av1 are both allot smaller for given quality than avc, which doesn't officially support 10-bit. But hevc gave me slightly smaller files and higher quality readings than av1 with the Voukoder 11.1 Arc beta, which is the only version that renders av1_qsv. Ffmpeg daily behaves the same, although both hevc_qsv and av1_qsv encode 2x faster than Voukoder with substantially higher quality readings... but the av1 implementation generated allot of DTS error message chatter in the log which I imagine is why av1 is missing from ffmpeg and Voukoder release versions. It is in the latest Handbrake Nightly, however, and runs about 10% faster than Voukoder, but delivers a little bit lower quality readings than either Voukoder or ffmpeg.

I think av1's strong attraction is that it's functionally equal to hevc without the licensing costs and hassles. Now that low cost hardware encoders are starting to appear, I expect it'll take off as soon as the chips can be fitted into cameras.

Richvideo wrote on 11/9/2022, 4:11 PM

Voukoder 12 is out now and he says he has made some modifications to AV 1 encoding