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Are You Upgrading: Yes or No?
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Zion
wrote on 9/10/2006, 12:44 PM
No Blueray or HDDVD in DVD Architect 4.
No video hardware asistance for preview and or rendering full frame HDV performance.
No upgrade for me!
No video hardware asistance for preview and or rendering full frame HDV performance.
No upgrade for me!
p@mast3rs
wrote on 9/10/2006, 12:45 PM
Eric, likewise with much respect to you from me. Arent you down here in my area (Ft Myers)? If so, we gotta hook up sometime and pick one anothers brain.
Wolfgang S.
wrote on 9/10/2006, 12:47 PM
We run a German forum for Vegas-User, www.vegasvideo.de/forum, and another one with a strong HDV focus - www.videotreffpunkt.com.
Well, my impression is that in both forums most people seems to use Vegas, but not Movie Studio. Maybe for a lot of different reasons. But one reason is that Movie Studio is competing against other tools, like Ulead Videostudio 10+, Pinnacle Studio 10.6 or Magix Video de luxe. Given prices and capabilities I think that is fair to state.
So, if you compare Vegas 7 with other tools, you will have to compare it with Avid Liquid, Uleads Mediastudio, Adobe Premiere Pro or Canopus Edius. And that is a complex field - not easy to assess in an objective way. How do you compare bundles of features against each other, or that NLEs have different philosophies incorported? E.g. the approach to use storyboards in Adobe or Edius, while Vegas user will edit in the timeline in most cases? There will not be an absolut answer to such things.
I believe people should test the trial - and then assess if an upgarde is worthwile or not. Knowing Vegas 7 in some more detail, I think that Vegas adds value for money in an appropriate way.
Well, my impression is that in both forums most people seems to use Vegas, but not Movie Studio. Maybe for a lot of different reasons. But one reason is that Movie Studio is competing against other tools, like Ulead Videostudio 10+, Pinnacle Studio 10.6 or Magix Video de luxe. Given prices and capabilities I think that is fair to state.
So, if you compare Vegas 7 with other tools, you will have to compare it with Avid Liquid, Uleads Mediastudio, Adobe Premiere Pro or Canopus Edius. And that is a complex field - not easy to assess in an objective way. How do you compare bundles of features against each other, or that NLEs have different philosophies incorported? E.g. the approach to use storyboards in Adobe or Edius, while Vegas user will edit in the timeline in most cases? There will not be an absolut answer to such things.
I believe people should test the trial - and then assess if an upgarde is worthwile or not. Knowing Vegas 7 in some more detail, I think that Vegas adds value for money in an appropriate way.
Chienworks
wrote on 9/10/2006, 1:19 PM
I'll ditto dibbdk. Why even bother to ask such a thing until people have a chance to try it?
Jonathan Neal
wrote on 9/10/2006, 1:44 PM
straight
vicmilt
wrote on 9/10/2006, 2:20 PM
I always taste my soup before I decide if it's well made.
v
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rextilleon
wrote on 9/10/2006, 2:21 PM
IF you are SCVE you have to update---unless of course you want to make your SCVE basically worthless. By the way, I noticed that most of the people who are going to buy it are those who have more then a utilatarian interest in the software. Then again, thats to be expected.
At this point I would say this is about a 50-50 result.
At this point I would say this is about a 50-50 result.
Jay Gladwell
wrote on 9/10/2006, 3:10 PM
By the way, I noticed that most of the people who are going to buy it are those who have more then a utilatarian interest in the software. Then again, thats to be expected.
That's an interesting observations...
"We are the Borg. Resistance is futile."
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IF you are SCVE you have to update---unless of course you want to make your SCVE basically worthless.
Is it possible that Sony wittingly came up with the SCVE as a marketing ploy in ensure sales of future product?
vitalforce
wrote on 9/10/2006, 3:22 PM
Later.
FrigidNDEditing
wrote on 9/10/2006, 3:22 PM
LOL @ Jay :D
I'm probably Upgrading ASAP
I don't shoot HDV currently, however, I do edit it sometimes and I think we're going to see some decent improvement for Multi-Core utilization in previewing (THIS IS SO SO WORTH MY MONEY ALONE).
Dave
I'm probably Upgrading ASAP
I don't shoot HDV currently, however, I do edit it sometimes and I think we're going to see some decent improvement for Multi-Core utilization in previewing (THIS IS SO SO WORTH MY MONEY ALONE).
Dave
SHTUNOT
wrote on 9/10/2006, 4:10 PM
Yes.
Ed.
Ed.
Sol M.
wrote on 9/10/2006, 4:21 PM
No. -- I skipped the upgrade from V4 to V5 too. I feel that I get what I would consider an "upgrade" if I upgrade every other version.
From what I'm seeing in the V7 trial, there are really only fixes and enhancements to current features (save for XDCam HD support, which I don't need). I am thoroughly unimpressed, and the only hope Sony has for getting any money out of me for this version is to really deliver on DVDA 4.
Like Patrick, I am currently re-evaluating my post-production toolset for the long-term. Adobe PPro never looked all that interesting before this.
From what I'm seeing in the V7 trial, there are really only fixes and enhancements to current features (save for XDCam HD support, which I don't need). I am thoroughly unimpressed, and the only hope Sony has for getting any money out of me for this version is to really deliver on DVDA 4.
Like Patrick, I am currently re-evaluating my post-production toolset for the long-term. Adobe PPro never looked all that interesting before this.
rextilleon
wrote on 9/10/2006, 5:09 PM
Jay, I don't believe in conspiracy theories so I have to disagree with you on that one. However, I do think the following.
1. The geniuses as Sony (not the developers, but the managers) have come up with this strategy to fit Vegas into a niche that will support other Sony products. Unlike FCP, Premiere Pro they fail to see the Catholic aspect of NLE's. For instance, FCP just announced support for XCAM HD, the JVC 24p, the new Canon cameras etc.
2. I knew that when Sony took over, the corporate disease would take hold so I am not surprised. Anyhow, Vegas 6.0 is fine for all my DV needs. Thats about it. I also own Premiere Pro 2.0 and I find that I am using it more and more.
1. The geniuses as Sony (not the developers, but the managers) have come up with this strategy to fit Vegas into a niche that will support other Sony products. Unlike FCP, Premiere Pro they fail to see the Catholic aspect of NLE's. For instance, FCP just announced support for XCAM HD, the JVC 24p, the new Canon cameras etc.
2. I knew that when Sony took over, the corporate disease would take hold so I am not surprised. Anyhow, Vegas 6.0 is fine for all my DV needs. Thats about it. I also own Premiere Pro 2.0 and I find that I am using it more and more.
drmathprog
wrote on 9/10/2006, 5:55 PM
No.
randygo
wrote on 9/10/2006, 6:05 PM
Likely no.
Vegas is at the end of the road as far as audio is concerned.
I'm moving to either Reaper or Acid Pro.
Cheers,
Randy
Jay Gladwell
wrote on 9/10/2006, 6:20 PM
Jay, I don't believe in conspiracy theories so I have to disagree with you on that one. However, I do think the following.
It was more of a question that a statement or suggestion. I agree with you. Sony has lost sight of the "big picture" insofar as its NLE is concerned. History at Sony loves to repeat itself.
Serena
wrote on 9/10/2006, 6:27 PM
Yes (out of choices "yes" or "no").
Appears to have definite improvements for HDV. Spot likes it. But I'll have a look first. At this stage the question is really "will you buy a pig in a poke?" -- let's have a look inside before discussing any actual reasons or decisions.
Appears to have definite improvements for HDV. Spot likes it. But I'll have a look first. At this stage the question is really "will you buy a pig in a poke?" -- let's have a look inside before discussing any actual reasons or decisions.
epirb
wrote on 9/10/2006, 6:44 PM
IF you are SCVE you have to update---unless of course you want to make your SCVE basically worthless.
seeing that the classes were limited to a few cities, and class size kept small (around 10 per class ) I highly doubt that they would concieve such plan to sell 30-40 copies. Heck i dont even know how many are certified. Additionaly, the class I was in never "promoted" the new release , it was more the students trying to pry info from the faculty.
And at no time, were we told "this is only good for V6 and your going to have to upgrade when new versions come out.
Plus having been there and taking the exam, the certification skills tested, pretty much apply to being competent at Vegas, I believe there were people there who were still using V5. These skills ,I see more to the core of Vegas, than new features, with maybe the excpetion of major things like the addtion of 3-D track motion etc.
That being said,I guess I would ask out of my own ignorance, do certified Avid users have to upgrade to stay certified?
seeing that the classes were limited to a few cities, and class size kept small (around 10 per class ) I highly doubt that they would concieve such plan to sell 30-40 copies. Heck i dont even know how many are certified. Additionaly, the class I was in never "promoted" the new release , it was more the students trying to pry info from the faculty.
And at no time, were we told "this is only good for V6 and your going to have to upgrade when new versions come out.
Plus having been there and taking the exam, the certification skills tested, pretty much apply to being competent at Vegas, I believe there were people there who were still using V5. These skills ,I see more to the core of Vegas, than new features, with maybe the excpetion of major things like the addtion of 3-D track motion etc.
That being said,I guess I would ask out of my own ignorance, do certified Avid users have to upgrade to stay certified?
rextilleon
wrote on 9/10/2006, 7:00 PM
I have to tell you, if you went through the effort of geting your SCVE, why would you cheap out and not spend 199 (or whatever they decide to charge) to upgrade and be current with the software? I am sure that all Avid trainers upgrade and when they teach the NLE, they work with the most current versions. Any other way makes absolutely no sense. If the new Vegas has 17 new features (or whatever) why wouldn't you learn how to use them?
epirb
wrote on 9/10/2006, 7:17 PM
I aggree with you and I plan on upgrading myself (after using the trial of course).
But thats becuase I aggree with your logic, but my point is I dont think its a requirement for the certification.
Now special upgrade pricing for SVCE would be sweet and "could" work in the oposite way , ....like I said could. Ahem....Sony ya listenig? :)
But thats becuase I aggree with your logic, but my point is I dont think its a requirement for the certification.
Now special upgrade pricing for SVCE would be sweet and "could" work in the oposite way , ....like I said could. Ahem....Sony ya listenig? :)
John_Cline
wrote on 9/10/2006, 8:32 PM
Yes. 7 is one number higher than 6 and that's all the reason I need.
John
John
jrazz
wrote on 9/10/2006, 8:36 PM
Not yet. I am in the middle of a project and far be it from me to upgrade whilst working on a project. If it was not released for another month, I would still be doing okay. I do want to play with the trial and see how much better it handles HDV. But realistically, Vegas 6 does a lot more than I need right now. I don't have clients coming up to me and saying- I need you to edit using these features which are exclusive to Vegas 7 or another editor. I can still do my work just fine using 6 and I am in no hardship doing it.
j razz
j razz
Paul_Holmes
wrote on 9/10/2006, 8:47 PM
"7 is a higher number" (John Cline)
Funny. I think that's my reason too.
Seriously, though, when I look at what info has been released, I'm thrilled with the "auto-fit to preview," for one. That's something I've always wished Vegas had but never thought to request it as a feature.
"Freehand envelope drawing" will be interesting to experiment with.
"I-Frames insertion at marker position when creating MPEG file for DVD Architect." Now this sounds valuable! I assume this means I can get chapters to start Exactly where I want them to, not a quarter second too early or late.
And yes, even "red-eye" reduction. I do a lot of photo shows and I can color correct and add effects to the photo in Vegas, rather than go to another program. Now I can even do red-eye reduction in Vegas. Cool! (If it works well!)
And hopefully we'll discover over-all rendering and previewing improvements, which is all every new version is, "improvements" over time.
Funny. I think that's my reason too.
Seriously, though, when I look at what info has been released, I'm thrilled with the "auto-fit to preview," for one. That's something I've always wished Vegas had but never thought to request it as a feature.
"Freehand envelope drawing" will be interesting to experiment with.
"I-Frames insertion at marker position when creating MPEG file for DVD Architect." Now this sounds valuable! I assume this means I can get chapters to start Exactly where I want them to, not a quarter second too early or late.
And yes, even "red-eye" reduction. I do a lot of photo shows and I can color correct and add effects to the photo in Vegas, rather than go to another program. Now I can even do red-eye reduction in Vegas. Cool! (If it works well!)
And hopefully we'll discover over-all rendering and previewing improvements, which is all every new version is, "improvements" over time.
bStro
wrote on 9/10/2006, 8:54 PM
Yes, but (probably) not right away. Can't afford it. Hopefully before the early bird discount runs out.
I don't need most of the added hardware support, but I'll be interested to see the workflow and editing enhancements, to say nothing of the new DVDA features.
Rob
I don't need most of the added hardware support, but I'll be interested to see the workflow and editing enhancements, to say nothing of the new DVDA features.
Rob