Best GPU

vivanco5555 wrote on 8/28/2020, 1:22 AM

Hi there:
I am a video designer and dubber. I usually use Sony Vegas, After Effects and to a lesser extent Cinema4D and Zbrush. Since I need some silent cards (for dubbing) I decided to use a RTX 2060 super Gaming X 8GB or a RTX 2060 gaming Z 6GB. However, since 2070 is also on the market, I was wondering if it is worth investing in them and spending a little more or I could choose those cards perfectly.

To top it all, Vegas is better with AMD while Adobe is with Nvidia. I read with the latest versions of Vegas I don't have to worry about this dilemma anymore but I want to make sure.

Could someone shed some light on these doubts?

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fr0sty wrote on 8/28/2020, 1:25 AM

Yes, the more recent versions of VEGAS, after Magix bought it (so it's not Sony VEGAS anymore, it's now owned by VEGAS Creative Software, a division of Magix... so now it's just called VEGAS Pro), have made great strides towards making Nvidia work just as well if not better than AMD. The benchmarks we did on VEGAS 17 actually show the 2080ti as the best performing GPU.

As for your GPU, the 2070 is probably your best bet, but you also might want to consider waiting for the RTX 30xx series cards to drop, which certain teases from Nvidia suggest might happen next month. Even if you don't buy into that series, the 20xx cards should drop in price.

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Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

TheRhino wrote on 8/28/2020, 9:56 PM

According to Puget Systems, in Adobe CS & Resolve, Nvidia cards perform better than AMD:
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/After-Effects-GPU-Roundup-NVIDIA-SUPER-vs-AMD-RX-5700-XT-1553/

However, I mainly use Vegas & Photoshop & require TB3 support, so currently I favor the Intel CPUs & AMD GPUs. My liquid-cooled 9900K workstation with liquid cooled VEGA 64 & M.2 drives in RAIDs is dead-silent allowing me to do DUBBING right next to my tower case, something I cannot do with my other towers, which all have fan-cooled CPUs & GPUs & louder spinning SATAs in RAIDs...

About 18 months ago I only paid $350 for the VEGA 64 LQ that for 1/3 the price of a 2080ti provides decent Vegas & Photoshop performance. Getting an older flagship vs. paying the same price for a newer mid-range GPU (5700XT, etc.) has always worked well for me... The drivers are mature. The Vegas team has had more user feedback on the product line, etc... I expect the price of the 2080ti, 2070 Supers, etc. to drop in price once the Big NAVI & Nvidia Ampere are released later this Fall... If you have a place-holder GPU to hold you over until the price drops, you might be able to find a former flagship for a good new or used price...

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Workstation C with $600 USD of upgrades in April, 2021
--$360 11700K @ 5.0ghz
--$200 ASRock W480 Creator (onboard 10G net, TB3, etc.)
Borrowed from my 9900K until prices drop:
--32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3200 ($100 on Black Friday...)
Reused from same Tower Case that housed the Xeon:
--Used VEGA 56 GPU ($200 on eBay before mining craze...)
--Noctua Cooler, 750W PSU, OS SSD, LSI RAID Controller, SATAs, etc.

Performs VERY close to my overclocked 9900K (below), but at stock settings with no tweaking...

Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair H150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000 (added another 32GB later...)
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (AMD VCE) in 13s when clocked at 4.9 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV & VCE renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID card with backups elsewhere

10G Network using used $30 Mellanox2 Adapters & Qnap QSW-M408-2C 10G Switch
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS with (6) 14TB WD RED
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A & B are the 2 remaining 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

$999 Walmart Evoo 17 Laptop with I7-9750H 6-core CPU, RTX 2060, (2) M.2 bays & (1) SSD bay...

vivanco5555 wrote on 8/29/2020, 5:45 PM

Thank you for you replies.

Since I will have to save money because of some expenses I still have to deal with, I'll take the Ampere release as a sign so I'll wait. I hope my computer lasts enough. It's a little bit ailing.

By the way, what kind of liquid cooling do you use? I can't afford a custom one and I was going to get an Arctic Liquid but I don't know if a Noctua is better.

fr0sty wrote on 8/30/2020, 3:31 AM

Don't bother, it's way overpriced, and non-liquid coolers work just as well (unless you're trying to do insane overclocks and don't ever plan on moving the computer), plus you have to worry about maintenance and leaks. The only time I'd recommend liquid cooling is if you work in a sound studio that requires as much silence as possible.

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Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

walter-i. wrote on 8/30/2020, 5:00 AM

Don't bother, it's way overpriced, and non-liquid coolers work just as well (unless you're trying to do insane overclocks and don't ever plan on moving the computer), plus you have to worry about maintenance and leaks. The only time I'd recommend liquid cooling is if you work in a sound studio that requires as much silence as possible.

I make sound recordings (speaking sound) right next to my computer and have no problems with fan noise at all. You don't have to make sound recordings while rendering when the computer needs the most power.

fr0sty wrote on 8/30/2020, 6:51 AM

You'd do much, MUCH better by devoting that liquid cooling budget to buying more powerful hardware.

Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

michael-harrison wrote on 8/30/2020, 9:14 AM

+1 for frosty's last answer.

If noise is an issue, you could try putting the machine in another room.

I've been surprised by what I've been able to accomplish using realvnc. I had to accept that I'd only have one display to work with but that hasn't been the dealbreaker I thought it would be.

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System 1:

Windows 10
i9-10850K 10 Core
128.0G RAM
Nvidia RTX 3060 Studio driver [most likely latest]
Resolution        3840 x 2160 x 60 hertz
Video Memory 12G GDDR5

 

System 2:

Lenovo Yoga 720
Core i7-7700 2.8Ghz quad core, 8 logical
16G ram
Intel HD 630 gpu 1G vram
Nvidia GTX 1050 gpu 2G vram

 

vivanco5555 wrote on 8/31/2020, 4:25 PM

Well, since I can't find anyone who supports AIO's in other forums I've taken part in, I think I'm already convinced. Of course, the only thing I don't like is the volume needed for the Noctua, taking RAM's space away, but you can't have everything. Thank you very much for your comments.

john_dennis wrote on 8/31/2020, 5:56 PM

@vivanco5555

My Sapphire RX480 doesn't run the fans when it's just sitting there. I just checked and they are motionless. The video card wouldn't contribute to the noise level for recording audio.

Decoding and Encoding is another situation.

TheRhino wrote on 8/31/2020, 7:35 PM

@vivanco5555

My Sapphire RX480 doesn't run the fans when it's just sitting there. I just checked and they are motionless. The video card wouldn't contribute to the noise level for recording audio.

Decoding and Encoding is another situation.

My VEGAs power 3-4 4K monitors at once & I like to do my voice-overs / narrations while watching the video play on the timeline, so my fans are prone to spin-up even when I am not rendering, etc... The price-difference between my Corsair H150i & a quality Noctua CPU cooler is negligible compared to the time saved not having to re-record something... AND, I found the liquid-cooled VEGA 64 for only $350, the same price as a fan-cooled one, so it was just a matter of the time needed to hunt one down...

Workstation C with $600 USD of upgrades in April, 2021
--$360 11700K @ 5.0ghz
--$200 ASRock W480 Creator (onboard 10G net, TB3, etc.)
Borrowed from my 9900K until prices drop:
--32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3200 ($100 on Black Friday...)
Reused from same Tower Case that housed the Xeon:
--Used VEGA 56 GPU ($200 on eBay before mining craze...)
--Noctua Cooler, 750W PSU, OS SSD, LSI RAID Controller, SATAs, etc.

Performs VERY close to my overclocked 9900K (below), but at stock settings with no tweaking...

Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair H150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000 (added another 32GB later...)
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (AMD VCE) in 13s when clocked at 4.9 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV & VCE renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID card with backups elsewhere

10G Network using used $30 Mellanox2 Adapters & Qnap QSW-M408-2C 10G Switch
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS with (6) 14TB WD RED
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A & B are the 2 remaining 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

$999 Walmart Evoo 17 Laptop with I7-9750H 6-core CPU, RTX 2060, (2) M.2 bays & (1) SSD bay...