Black screen after rendering AVC (Blu-Ray template)

JoeAustin wrote on 9/4/2019, 2:22 PM

Recently upgraded to VP 17 build 284. In the process of creating a Blu Ray, I render about a 3.5 hour project out to a Blu Ray compliant AVC file. The results are the same with both the Magix and Sony AVC codecs. After just under 15 minutes, the screen is black. The file shows to be the right length in DVD architect, but nothing but black for the rest of the video. Oddly enough, I was able to render a MP4 file with the Magix codec, and that played fine. Ultimately, I just let DVD import and covert that. Not the end of the world, but way less than ideal, and takes a very long time. Just another reason I want to end disc delivery to clients.

Anyone else encounter this?

 

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john_dennis wrote on 9/4/2019, 11:39 PM

I saw something like that in a very old version of DVD Architect, possibly before 5. I haven’t seen such a thing for quite a while and I still use DVD Architect 5.2 from time to time.

EricLNZ wrote on 9/4/2019, 11:49 PM

Actually Joe is having the problem when rendering from VP17 so it's not a DVDA issue? What is on the timeline at the problem just under 15mins point? AVC Blu-ray files are interlaced whereas the successful MP4 is presumably progressive. I wonder if that's a clue.

Sylk wrote on 9/5/2019, 12:53 AM

Maybe encoder settings could be useful to show.

Software:
[OS]  : Windows 10 Ent. x64 v1903 (18362.535)
[NLE] : Vegas Pro 17.0 (Build 321) // (Build 284 if posted before 9/24/19)
[DRV] : Studio 536.23 (Display, PhysX, HD Audio) // (Game Ready 436.15 if posted before 9/24/19)
Hardware:
[GPU] : Gainward RTX 4090 Phantom / GTX 1080 Phoenix GLH
[CPU] : Intel Core i7-2600K @3.4GHz OC@4.5GHz (HyperThreaded) | AirCooling: Noctua NH-D14
[RAM] : 16GB (4x 4GB GSkill Ripjaws X DDR3 1600MHz 9-9-9-24) @1333MHz
[SSD] : Samsung 860 Pro 1TB
[MOB] : Asus P8P67 Deluxe (Rev.1), No iGPU support
[SND] : Asus Xonar Essence STX
[PSU] : Corsair HX750
Devices:
[DSP1]: 30" DELL UltraSharp U3011 @2560x1600
[DSP2]: 28" Samsung U28D590 @3840x2160

[UPS] : Eaton 5PX 2200i RT

[CAM] : GoPro Hero8/4/3 Black. Apple iPhone 11Pro/6S.
[REC] : Zoom Handy Recorder H4.
JoeAustin wrote on 9/5/2019, 8:48 AM

Actually Joe is having the problem when rendering from VP17 so it's not a DVDA issue? What is on the timeline at the problem just under 15mins point? AVC Blu-ray files are interlaced whereas the successful MP4 is presumably progressive. I wonder if that's a clue.

You are correct. This is not a DVDA issue. The result is the same when viewing with a media player.

JoeAustin wrote on 9/5/2019, 9:54 AM

Maybe encoder settings could be useful to show.

I am using the stock Blu-Ray templates for 1080i in both the Sony and Magix AVC codecs.

Marco. wrote on 9/5/2019, 10:56 AM

@JoeAustin
"Recently upgraded to VP 17 build 268."

Are you sure you use build 268?

JoeAustin wrote on 9/5/2019, 11:11 AM

@JoeAustin
"Recently upgraded to VP 17 build 268."

Are you sure you use build 268?

Oops, not sure how I messed that up. I am on build 284.

Sylk wrote on 9/6/2019, 12:05 AM

I render about a 3.5 hour project out to a Blu Ray compliant AVC file. (...) After just under 15 minutes, the screen is black.

What happens if you render only 16 minutes?

And please post screenshots of encoder settings.

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Software:
[OS]  : Windows 10 Ent. x64 v1903 (18362.535)
[NLE] : Vegas Pro 17.0 (Build 321) // (Build 284 if posted before 9/24/19)
[DRV] : Studio 536.23 (Display, PhysX, HD Audio) // (Game Ready 436.15 if posted before 9/24/19)
Hardware:
[GPU] : Gainward RTX 4090 Phantom / GTX 1080 Phoenix GLH
[CPU] : Intel Core i7-2600K @3.4GHz OC@4.5GHz (HyperThreaded) | AirCooling: Noctua NH-D14
[RAM] : 16GB (4x 4GB GSkill Ripjaws X DDR3 1600MHz 9-9-9-24) @1333MHz
[SSD] : Samsung 860 Pro 1TB
[MOB] : Asus P8P67 Deluxe (Rev.1), No iGPU support
[SND] : Asus Xonar Essence STX
[PSU] : Corsair HX750
Devices:
[DSP1]: 30" DELL UltraSharp U3011 @2560x1600
[DSP2]: 28" Samsung U28D590 @3840x2160

[UPS] : Eaton 5PX 2200i RT

[CAM] : GoPro Hero8/4/3 Black. Apple iPhone 11Pro/6S.
[REC] : Zoom Handy Recorder H4.
Former user wrote on 9/6/2019, 5:14 AM

@JoeAustin Its possible that the memory/resource issue in VP17 might just be contributing to this.

I recently had to do a complete copy and paste, all events, from a VP17 project to VP16 to overcome freezing every few seconds. I was then able to complete and finish the same project in VP16.

The jpegs were on the second half of the timeline and the time between freezes was getting shorter and shorter as I continued to edit each jpeg. When it reached the stage of only getting a single jpeg done before the freeze I knew I had to do something.

My project was a mixture of video and stills, jpegs. A fair bit of cross fades, pan and cropping with a large number of jpegs was always problematic with previous VP versions, just much much worse in VP17.

 

JoeAustin wrote on 9/6/2019, 8:44 AM

@JoeAustin Its possible that the memory/resource issue in VP17 might just be contributing to this.

I can't help but think it's something specific to 17, as I have done many similar projects in 15 with no such issue.

Sylk wrote on 9/6/2019, 3:53 PM

I can't help (...)

@JoeAustin You can, but you don't:

Maybe encoder settings could be useful to show.

I render about a 3.5 hour project out to a Blu Ray compliant AVC file. (...) After just under 15 minutes, the screen is black.

What happens if you render only 16 minutes?

And please post screenshots of encoder settings.

Software:
[OS]  : Windows 10 Ent. x64 v1903 (18362.535)
[NLE] : Vegas Pro 17.0 (Build 321) // (Build 284 if posted before 9/24/19)
[DRV] : Studio 536.23 (Display, PhysX, HD Audio) // (Game Ready 436.15 if posted before 9/24/19)
Hardware:
[GPU] : Gainward RTX 4090 Phantom / GTX 1080 Phoenix GLH
[CPU] : Intel Core i7-2600K @3.4GHz OC@4.5GHz (HyperThreaded) | AirCooling: Noctua NH-D14
[RAM] : 16GB (4x 4GB GSkill Ripjaws X DDR3 1600MHz 9-9-9-24) @1333MHz
[SSD] : Samsung 860 Pro 1TB
[MOB] : Asus P8P67 Deluxe (Rev.1), No iGPU support
[SND] : Asus Xonar Essence STX
[PSU] : Corsair HX750
Devices:
[DSP1]: 30" DELL UltraSharp U3011 @2560x1600
[DSP2]: 28" Samsung U28D590 @3840x2160

[UPS] : Eaton 5PX 2200i RT

[CAM] : GoPro Hero8/4/3 Black. Apple iPhone 11Pro/6S.
[REC] : Zoom Handy Recorder H4.
JoeAustin wrote on 9/6/2019, 5:54 PM

What happens if you render only 16 minutes?

 

I totally had intended to do this and respond to your message. I thought it was an good idea. I did finally do this very test.

Sure enough, video goes black at about 14:20 of 16 minutes. I am just using the Blu Ray template 1080 60i. Nothing fancy.

EricLNZ wrote on 9/6/2019, 7:03 PM

What's on your timeline at 14:20?

JoeAustin wrote on 9/6/2019, 7:31 PM

What's on your timeline at 14:20?

Good question, and I should have offered this info. So, this is a pretty complex multicam project shot in the default MP4 1080P mode on a mix of Panasonic and Sony cameras. A 3.5 (ish) hour timeline consisting of at least three cameras in multicam mode is then loaded as an embedded project (the old way) in a new instance of VP. Again, it's worth underscoring that the default MP4 "Internet" template works fine. It just costs three or four extra hours in DVDA.

EricLNZ wrote on 9/6/2019, 8:17 PM

It suggests to me that VP is tripping up converting the source progressive material to interlaced for the avc file. But why it continues right through to the end is puzzling unless from the 14:20 point it's all the same source.

If you select a few secs at say 20:00 and render this, does it also come out black?

JoeAustin wrote on 9/9/2019, 7:28 AM

It suggests to me that VP is tripping up converting the source progressive material to interlaced for the avc file. But why it continues right through to the end is puzzling unless from the 14:20 point it's all the same source.

If you select a few secs at say 20:00 and render this, does it also come out black?

I did finally try a test like this, and rendered from about the 14 minute mark to the 20 minute mark, resulting in about a six minute video. Plays fine. It's also worth noting that a completely different project of a similar length had the same result. Just under 15 minutes of video, then black.

As I have several of these huge projects to get through, I set a completely different one up for rendering to AVC. Using the Magix Blu Ray template, almost exactly the same result. Black just after 14:20. So frustrating, as it take DVDA quite a few hours to convert a non compliant video. Arggg!

Also worth noting that I submitted a ticket to Magix a week ago. The first response was a canned message about how to render and create a disc in DVDA. Four days ago, I sent a message clarifying that it really has nothing to do with DVDA, and made the issue quite clear. So far, no response. Not good.

 

Former user wrote on 9/9/2019, 8:13 AM

Try rendering 16 minutes from the 14 minute mark and see if it goes black at 14:20 into that. Just a suggestion to see if it is a time problem or a content problem.

Sylk wrote on 9/9/2019, 9:34 AM

Try rendering 16 minutes from the 14 minute mark and see if it goes black at 14:20 into that. Just a suggestion to see if it is a time problem or a content problem.

@Former user

Already suggested, already done

Software:
[OS]  : Windows 10 Ent. x64 v1903 (18362.535)
[NLE] : Vegas Pro 17.0 (Build 321) // (Build 284 if posted before 9/24/19)
[DRV] : Studio 536.23 (Display, PhysX, HD Audio) // (Game Ready 436.15 if posted before 9/24/19)
Hardware:
[GPU] : Gainward RTX 4090 Phantom / GTX 1080 Phoenix GLH
[CPU] : Intel Core i7-2600K @3.4GHz OC@4.5GHz (HyperThreaded) | AirCooling: Noctua NH-D14
[RAM] : 16GB (4x 4GB GSkill Ripjaws X DDR3 1600MHz 9-9-9-24) @1333MHz
[SSD] : Samsung 860 Pro 1TB
[MOB] : Asus P8P67 Deluxe (Rev.1), No iGPU support
[SND] : Asus Xonar Essence STX
[PSU] : Corsair HX750
Devices:
[DSP1]: 30" DELL UltraSharp U3011 @2560x1600
[DSP2]: 28" Samsung U28D590 @3840x2160

[UPS] : Eaton 5PX 2200i RT

[CAM] : GoPro Hero8/4/3 Black. Apple iPhone 11Pro/6S.
[REC] : Zoom Handy Recorder H4.
Former user wrote on 9/9/2019, 9:42 AM

I don't see where he said he has done that. He rendered 6:00 from 14:00, but not 16:00.

 

JoeAustin wrote on 9/9/2019, 9:50 AM

I don't see where he said he has done that. He rendered 6:00 from 14:00, but not 16:00.

 

Right here: " rendered from about the 14 minute mark to the 20 minute mark"

Sylk wrote on 9/9/2019, 9:53 AM

I don't see where he said he has done that. He rendered 6:00 from 14:00, but not 16:00.

@Former user seriously?

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/black-screen-after-rendering-avc-blu-ray-template--117024/#ca728981

Software:
[OS]  : Windows 10 Ent. x64 v1903 (18362.535)
[NLE] : Vegas Pro 17.0 (Build 321) // (Build 284 if posted before 9/24/19)
[DRV] : Studio 536.23 (Display, PhysX, HD Audio) // (Game Ready 436.15 if posted before 9/24/19)
Hardware:
[GPU] : Gainward RTX 4090 Phantom / GTX 1080 Phoenix GLH
[CPU] : Intel Core i7-2600K @3.4GHz OC@4.5GHz (HyperThreaded) | AirCooling: Noctua NH-D14
[RAM] : 16GB (4x 4GB GSkill Ripjaws X DDR3 1600MHz 9-9-9-24) @1333MHz
[SSD] : Samsung 860 Pro 1TB
[MOB] : Asus P8P67 Deluxe (Rev.1), No iGPU support
[SND] : Asus Xonar Essence STX
[PSU] : Corsair HX750
Devices:
[DSP1]: 30" DELL UltraSharp U3011 @2560x1600
[DSP2]: 28" Samsung U28D590 @3840x2160

[UPS] : Eaton 5PX 2200i RT

[CAM] : GoPro Hero8/4/3 Black. Apple iPhone 11Pro/6S.
[REC] : Zoom Handy Recorder H4.
Former user wrote on 9/9/2019, 9:53 AM

14:00 to 20:00 is six minutes. I was suggesting you render 16 minutes starting at the 14:00 mark.

Former user wrote on 9/9/2019, 9:54 AM

Yes, seriously. Quit with the attitude, I am trying to help.

JoeAustin wrote on 9/9/2019, 9:57 AM

14:00 to 20:00 is six minutes. I was suggesting you render 16 minutes starting at the 14:00 mark.

I don't really see the point. My recent test clearly shows that there is no issue at that time. Again, virtually the identical result with a completely different project. The main commonality is they are both over 3 hrs long.