BYE BYE VEGAS!

ScheffFrog wrote on 7/7/2011, 3:53 AM

I'm done. Vegas 10 has been the most disappointing software I have ever had to deal with. Endless re-renderings, because what I see in preview and what ends up rendered out of whack on certain effects. But not only that, the audio CD mastering is still not fixed. That is just lame.

I made the decision to leave Vegas 10. I will use Vegas 9 from here on out, but have also purchased a new software from Serif to do what I do. So far, it has proven to do everything Vegas can do, absent a few professional plugins, which I can get around. The even better news... the price tag.

Premier just put out their new version of their software for an incredibly discounted price. You know why? Because even the little softwares that do video editing are coming up to meet the large competitors with the same features but with a very small price tag. Why pay 600.00 or more when you can do the same exact thing for $60!

It has been a nice ride, up until 10. Vegas shot their foot off. It simply isn't worth the price tag, and it was a very shoddy software and still is.

Bye-bye Vegas. I will miss the forum. You all are great! Best of luck to you.
Frogger.

Comments

TheHappyFriar wrote on 7/7/2011, 4:09 AM

Since you're not using Vegas any more why not transfer your licenses over to Soniclight? He wants a copy of V10 anyway. He says he can't afford it here

amendegw wrote on 7/7/2011, 4:10 AM

All, here's a challenge - let's see if we can let this thread die with 3 posts.

...Jerry

Rory Cooper wrote on 7/7/2011, 5:06 AM

Shot jerry…this is post 3b

farss wrote on 7/7/2011, 8:09 AM

That software looks very good actually, more than adequate for a lot of people's needs and the price is right. If it meets your needs then Vegas or Ppro or FCP would be huge overkill.

Bob.

larry-peter wrote on 7/7/2011, 8:10 AM

I hate to see posts like this, but I do understand. Expectations of inexpensive software these days are extremely high.

I've been in post production since 1986 and I've run across one piece of editing software in all this time that did 90% of what people in this forum are demanding. It was called Jaleo, did unlimited video tracks, editing, high-end compositing and effects within a single screen interface. The entry level system cost $125,000, ran on Unix and only worked with uncompressed video. It was crash-proof and reliable. We ditched it during the years it was making the transition to Mistika because this level of equipment investment was no longer sensible for my company.

We worked with Media 100 844/x and Leitch Velocity systems after this point. Vegas was our audio DAW since version 2. I first tried Vegas as a video editor with version 8 and was surprised what it could do.

It is now our facility's primary editing software. With V10 and AJA Kona i/o it's a faster workflow than we've had in years. It occasionally crashes when pushed. So did Avid, Media 100, Velocity, After Effects, Fusion. And it has a few problems that have gone long unaddressed that require workarounds. Also nothing new in my world.

I know there are lots of folks on this forum using it for everything from weddings, music videos, home movies, etc. You're probably throwing a lot of formats at it that I don't. I just have to say that in a facility that does 90% broadcast work, it's not far removed from software costing several times as much. I'm lucky enough to have a hardware configuration that it likes, so I'm not seeing a lot of problems that others are. But, like many users, I would love to see a version of Vegas truly devoted to "pro" use, even at a higher price point. Bottom line is, I'll have to run into much bigger problems before I trade Vegas for another software with a different set of problems.

Best,
Larry

AlanC wrote on 7/7/2011, 8:54 AM

A recent posting on a Serif MoviePlus X3 forum:

13th June 2011, 07:15 PM
Question Jerky HD video & Crashing.
I have Movieplus X3 with the latest patch. It keeps crashing whenever I try to edit HD video and is often jerky. The PC is windows 7 64bit, i7 quad core. Anyone got any ideas? Or do I need X5? Thanks

Opampman wrote on 7/7/2011, 9:36 AM

Like Larry, Vegas seems to like my hardware and I have very few problems even when using it all day, day after day. Most of my files are HDV and mov with which Vegas has no problem.

I also have Serif's Movie Plus. I have been using their products since 1996 and they make a great drawing, a desktop publishing program. and a web creation program. For $79 their Movie Plus is pretty good but certainly not in the league with Vegas Pro. I sometimes use it to create animated titles which it does quite well and is much easier than the Vegas Pro Titler to use. I render them as an HD file and drop them on the T/L in Vegas and they look very good, but for serious editing, Movie Plus is more for hobby use.

Kent

Woodenmike wrote on 7/7/2011, 10:59 AM

Danny Lee, FYI, I've been using PluralEyes with Vegas 9 (and possibly with 8, too...I can't remember when I first started using it) and it has worked better in those earlier versions than with 10a-e.

I'm still on XP on an olde pentium machine, but have been quite happy with Vegas in their later releases...the froster for me is releasing so early when there are obvious flaws in the software and basically making folks pay to "beta" test the software...yeah, everyone does it from Microsoft to Adobe to Macintosh, but still doesn't make it right.

GerryLeacock wrote on 7/7/2011, 11:24 AM

To Vidmus...

You said "I personally will stay with Vegas, especially version 10 which allows me to run plug-ins such as 'Plural Eyes' which is a major life saver when it come to multi-cam editing. Vegas 9 and earlier will not allow this"

I am running Vegas 9 with Plural Eyes for multicam editing and it works great.

Gerry

K-Decisive wrote on 7/7/2011, 11:29 AM

Ditto with Opampman,
I run vegas 8(32bit) and 10(64bit) all day long with almost 0 issues. All HD 1080 footage, I've even played with Red MX footage. Rendering to DVD is usually at or faster then realtime, and I've burned dual layers with arch, no issue.

I note that Frogger's setup does look really under powered. I would think that would be an issue for any NLE. my 2c

dibbkd wrote on 7/7/2011, 12:04 PM

I misread the subject and thought there was a Vegas deal going on...

"BUY BUY VEGAS!!!"

:)

musicvid10 wrote on 7/7/2011, 12:22 PM

I agree that a single core processor and under 2G ram is too lean for any HD editing or rendering.
My old desktop machine is in that category and works pretty reliably with SD projects, however.

Opampman wrote on 7/7/2011, 12:30 PM

If you look at the system requirements for VP10, Sony suggests 2g of ram, dual core, and SP3 for XP users.

Kent

Laurence wrote on 7/7/2011, 12:32 PM

Yes a simpler video editing program will work better on an underpowered computer with a small amount of memory. I have no doubt that the guy will be happier with the change. For that type of editing, i just use iMovie on my iPad though. ;-)

cbrillow wrote on 7/7/2011, 1:53 PM

I must be crabby today... (not a huge surprise to some of you, I guess)

Why must those who have become disenchanted with Vegas make such dramatic all-caps pronouncements? Just leave and have fun with the replacement NLE of your choice.

When I left Pinnacle's Studio forum after purchasing Sony Screenblast back in the gory (not a typo) days, it didn't seem necessary to expend any more energy with a parting shot about Studio's worthlessness or the amount of hair lost during my brief love/hate relationship with it.

In fact, I don't know why I'm wasting my time commenting about someone else wasting his time.

Must be something in the water today.

earthrisers wrote on 7/7/2011, 2:52 PM

Something in the Water -- I love that song.

(I must not be very crabby today...)

john_dennis wrote on 7/7/2011, 3:50 PM

John Lennon said it admirably in Whatever Gets You Through The Night...

"Don't need a watch to waste your time oh no, oh no."

I'd probably still be using Pinnacle Studio if they had just found a way to write the last few seconds of the video to DVD.

Derm wrote on 7/7/2011, 6:24 PM

I dont have an axe to grind but here is my
experience. I just upgraded from a powerful XP system to Win 7 64bit with 12gb ram and advanced video card.
Preview is still terrible making sync ridiculous. and still horribly jerky transitions

larry-peter wrote on 7/7/2011, 7:59 PM

I think everyone would be helped greatly if there were some real standards given for hardware and system configuration by Sony. Not just minimum specs to get the program to open.

And Sony would benefit by scouring this forum for all the performance "tricks", config settings and workarounds members have listed and publishing them in one document.

My build is a duplicate of Videoguys DIY build for a system they tested with Vegas in summer 2010, so it's probably a bit behind the times by now. When I began using Vegas on it, I ran into a lot of stumbling blocks until I started implementing all the advice from this forum. It took a lot of searching. Now I'm natively editing uncompressed HD, P2 footage and 1080p AVCHD from the AF-100 with several video tracks and previewing in real time on a broadcast monitor. Haven't used an intermediate codec in months. It can be done when the stars (or hardware components and system configuration) are aligned.

Best,
Larry

Grazie wrote on 7/7/2011, 8:29 PM

So, Larry, why not put up your system specs in your profile? I'd like to compare those with. What I'm having built.

And Derm, I'm having almost the very same PC built and really wouldn't want to achieve your unfortunate results.

This is very concerning indeed.

Grazie

larry-peter wrote on 7/7/2011, 8:46 PM

Grazie,
I just realized my system wasn't being shown . I didn't know I had to make it visible in forum settings. Tomorrow I'll add more details about components. I'm not running on the bleeding edge as far as CPU speed today, but if I can help by showing what's working for me, I'm happy to.

Grazie wrote on 7/7/2011, 8:58 PM

atom, great! Clarity is all. Not directed at you, but I'm truly frustrated at this crazy, meandering that I've read over the years on this bizarre not so "merry"-go-round of seeking the default or minimum or useful Pc and OS for Vegas to work.

3 years ago I upped my P4 to a quadie and could just see the difference. But as Vegas went through another 3 versions my last best budgeted Pc is now reeking of mouldiness.

Now I'm just about to receive a Pc just a bit more powerful than our friends here. And you say your specs aren't "bleeding edge". Well, just what IS this illyseum you've achieved? If it isn't the hardware, just what your top ten tweaks that get you there? No AV working? No INTERNET working? Separate system drives? Just what?

Clarity is all!

Can't wait to see your specs, I mean it.

Regards

Grazie

Geoff_Wood wrote on 7/7/2011, 10:05 PM

Effecient coding is obviously a desirable thing, but it strikes me as odd that people expect bleeding-edge software performance from non-bleeding-edge hardware systems.

That being said , a realistic yardstick of what is realistic with 'average' systems of an era would be helpful, not just a 'minimum spec' for the app to work at all.

geoff

Grazie wrote on 7/7/2011, 11:34 PM

Geoff, I agree. We've been here before too.

Grazie