Can we get back to the important things? What do we want from Vegas?

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SonyMLogan wrote on 2/25/2002, 1:11 PM
Just wanted to let you all know that the people working on Vegas _are_ reading your posts, and while company policy says we can't officially confirm or deny specific features in future products, I can tell you that much of what has been suggested here has been placed on our TODO list.

Some of what has been requested is already in VV3.0. Namely, click & select bus fader grouping. Try it - hold down CTRL then click in the bus header area...
wvg wrote on 2/25/2002, 2:54 PM
1. A means to apply a transition across a range of events so all are the same type,length. Would be great for slideshows. You can do it now for a simple cross-fade, under prefrences on the the options menu under the video tab, apparently not for any video FX transition.

2. Ability to edit the VEG file directly outside of Vegas Video in any text editor.

3. A grid within the filter workspace area for FX filters where useful, like color curves.

4. Histograms for Levels, with sliders to quickly adjust, similar to Photoshop.

5. A mode to allow the preview window to display full screen without need for external monitor, with selectable number (editable)tracks superimposed or in a small area beneath the enlarged preview window, crawling accross like a stock market ticker.

6. Allow any third-party MPEG, AVI codec as plug-in, accessible from rendering menu.

7. Dual preview windows running in real time (similar to VitrualDub) to show changes between source file and work in progress.

8. Import RM source files if not a copyright issue.

stumacQ wrote on 2/26/2002, 3:31 AM
Hi ...


I'd ALSO like to see the ability to reverse audio (even as a "non-realtime event" effect), and I agree that there should be buss tracks and a master track for volume automation and panning of busses, etc. Also, native support of VST plugins would certainly be nice!

In future revisions, please include the ability to STOP SCROLLING! It's aggravating to be editing an envelope immediately after a segment has been played ... and then suddenly the screen scrolls, and I have an envelope node or event dragged WAY out of place. This should be a simple check-box thing, right? "Disable Scrolling On Playback".

Also, to echo a lot of other people here, I'd like to see the integration of a simple MIDI sequencer. I don't care about groove-quantizing and all of that other useless garbage, just a simple piano-roll with a graphical controller window and an event list per track. Like an old version of Cakewalk or something. That would be IDEAL!!

Regards,

(stu.macQ)
ramallo wrote on 2/26/2002, 10:05 AM
Hello,

I want:

1. Punch in/out on fly (Is a very important thing for recording music)
2. Direct monitoring (I don't want to use a external mixer), now, in the market are ultra fast Sound cards with latencies of 3ms with MME drivers (3 ms is enougth for me).
3. direct monitoring with plugins (If you want to record a guitar with distortion is usefull listen the effect when make a recording)
4. Effects automatitation, DXi
5. good sincro between tracks.
6. Good sincro MTC
7. Tempo track, is usefull the metronome, but not all the songs start and finish at same beat (3/4 120 to 4/4 100 in the same song for example). is great for editing (I use the tempo and bars for make changes in events)

And the clasical requests

8. Basic midi.
9. Harware control.

Bye
stakeoutstudios wrote on 2/26/2002, 10:32 AM
Another request... I'd like some kind of master track - where you can change the BPM of the metronome over a space of time, so I can record bands that deliberately speed up or slow down with a metronome!

With the CD architect features, I'd like to be able to define the actual start point of the CD - it is not necessarily at the beginning of the project. I'd like to be able to burn a mix recorded at 24bit straight to audio CD, (which means obviously the software would have to pre-mix down to 16bits and then burn!) but it would be great for client rough mixes. Define start of CD in massive 24bit 44.1khz 50+ track multitrack project (one song), define beginning of CD track 1, define end of CD track 1, and burn CD. It would save me a lot of time, rendering down, trimming it up, puttin git back into vegas as 16bit... etc.

Also, I'd just like to say thanks for stabilising Vegas 3.0 a great deal, especially when adding and removing plugins from busses!

Jason
CDM wrote on 2/26/2002, 11:08 AM
webpuppy -
you can do all of what you are talking about already in VV3, except for starting the CD at any time. You have to start it at 2seconds or less. I also hope this changes. As for the rest, you can burn any project of any audio type (any sample rate, bit rate, wave, mp3, ogg vorbis, etc.). You just have to tell vegas to pre-render the cd first (in the DAO burn dialog box). Then it will be in 44.1 16bit temp format to burn properly. Is this what you mean?
ramallo wrote on 2/26/2002, 12:00 PM
Hello,

>Another request... I'd like some kind of master track - where you can change the >BPM of the metronome over a space of time, so I can record bands that deliberately >speed up or slow down with a metronome!

This is a tempo track, my 7 wish.

I record with Nuendo and mix with Vegas (Sounding better for me), and the tempo track is a very usefull in the Nuendo, I wan't use using only the Vegas (I love) but is very difficult work in studio without punch on fly and metronome (But I hate the midi clic of the Nuendo, you can't use a wav).

Bye
stakeoutstudios wrote on 2/26/2002, 7:18 PM
Aha, cheers for the tip! I didn't realise you can burn non-16bit projects straight to CD - very useful! However, changing the start point of the CD would make this feature a lot more useful, as without this feature, I still generally need to pre-render etc :oP

Jason
ramallo wrote on 2/27/2002, 3:36 PM
Hello,

I don't understand your joke.

Bye
stakeoutstudios wrote on 2/27/2002, 5:04 PM
what joke?
ramallo wrote on 2/27/2002, 5:11 PM
Hello,

>Aha, cheers for the tip! I didn't realise you can burn non-16bit projects straight >to CD - very useful! However, changing the start point of the CD would make this >feature a lot more useful, as without this feature, I still generally need to pre->render etc :oP

Sorry but I don't understand well your repply (The english isn't my native language). I can be mistaken with your post.

Best Regards
SHTUNOT wrote on 2/28/2002, 3:40 PM
Since Sofo are cutting corners in development of a "audio only vegas" then another corner that I think should be cut is win98 support as well. By the time the next update comes out for vegas there will be updates for drivers in general and Win2k/XP [win2k service pack 3 is in beta + XP service pack 1 as well] and possibly DX9 also. The focus should be on these OS's and everything else [as of right now] should be put on the backburner. This way the focus can be on delivering a better/stable product with even more features [AUDIO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!] so that no one group feels that they were "underdeveloped".
Rednroll wrote on 2/28/2002, 8:13 PM
bruceo2 wrote on 3/1/2002, 1:27 AM
increase the userbase or work with third party software co's to make their software integrated with VV3. We need more than just pixelan.. Boris Red would be an outstanding package and they support a bunch of other NLE's.

5.1 mix support would be incredible. SF already gets major props from the creative community for it's audio capabilities and if they could incl 5.1 support for DV output would put VV over the top.
SHTUNOT wrote on 3/1/2002, 3:51 AM
BTW, Win98 is still the most popular operating system, wouldn't be such a good idea to abandon support just yet and watch sales plummet.

rednroll

Point taken. The reality is that win98 in the next couple of years will be phased out in terms of updates/development/compatibility. Win2k/XP is where its headed. In terms of Sonar they recommend Win2k/XP for the WDM drivers...WDM equates to very low latencies. If you guys are going to demand DXi's and such, thats what sofo will have to do. Where did you get those facts on win98 by the way? Would sofo go bankrupt for sticking to something like that AND doing it really,really,really well? Doubtfull.
Customers might go kicking and screaming but will come to realize the benefits soon thereafter. Anyone who IMHO is also looking to pay the price to buy "VEGAS" will be "understandable" to the manufacturers requirements of a "PRO Media" OS. I would just maintain Video Factory users with the all around win98/2k/XP compatibility. That way the general public has a better view of a recreational editor {Video Factory}[audio/video]and a "PRO" one{Vegas}. And its better that sofo products get amazing reviews on these OS's [win2k/XP]because you know adobe aren't going to roll over and die THAT easily. On their site they talk about how excited the arrival of XP has been to them and to there win based development. I can imagine what Premier 7 will have in terms of features/upgrades to now compete/compensate with a product as versatile as Vegas.

I hope I made some sense at least. Have a goodnight. Later.
ramallo wrote on 3/10/2002, 10:59 AM
Hi,

I forgot

10. OMF import and export, for export sesions to Protools and Avid.

Bye
FuTz wrote on 3/10/2002, 4:51 PM
Posted by: futz (Ignore This User)
Date: 3/3/2002 9:33:34 AM

Is there a way to have the actual file name directly installed on the track when we select it from the vv3 explorer? I mean, we could change it later if we want but having it automatically written in the name box would be very usefull and time-saving, no?
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Subject: RE: Track
Posted by: Chienworks (Ignore This User)
Date: 3/4/2002 11:55:53 AM

Feel free to suggest this to Sonic Foundry as a product suggestion. However, one objection i can see is that many clips may be added to a track. Would the track only get the name of the first clip added? Would that name be meaningful for the other clips? Dunno, just my thoughts on the matter.
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Subject: RE: Track
Posted by: futz (Ignore This User)
Date: 3/4/2002 10:18:05 PM

Maybe, yes, the name of the first track AND as soon as we rename it, this doesn't change anymore whatever clip we add afterwhile (?)...
OR simply add it as an option that we can "check" or not, depending on the project we're heading to...


JoeD wrote on 3/10/2002, 6:54 PM
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SHTUNOT wrote on 3/11/2002, 3:16 AM
Ah again when a conversation starts instead of a intelligent response to an opinion I get bashed. Joe buddy if what I said from my second post on win98 didn't make any sense then a calm response and a polite word gets you much farther than sounding like a schmuck for the countless time. A opinion dude. Thats all and I could care less if you agree with me. As long as this product does what I need from it then I really can care less what the stats are. If you look at the Sonar forum YES you can use win98se but you will not be getting the full potential from the system. Again the way to go is WDM in terms of very low latencies. Anyone buying that product sees it as a "PRO" product and doesn't question why they have to make any changes to their system. I made a statement that made the public view "Videofactory as comercial" and "Vegas as highend". You are not going to market vegas to kids as you wouldn't market videofactory to premier users. Nobody buys sonar to make MP3's for themselves! If it can be done great. If not then I thought it would be best to specialize and put some extra funds elsewhere. Sofo doesn't price their products like adobe does. Premier 7 will be out soon plus every audio sequencing program [cubase,logic,etc...] will be upgrading soon as well. My .02 cents sorry joe.
tserface wrote on 3/11/2002, 9:30 AM
Actually, I sort of agree that 98/ME support for VV3+ is a waste. I don't know what the advantage would be to get rid of it except perhaps less worry about legacy testing, but anyone serious enough to use a product of this caliber should have a good enough machine to do so on imo. 98 especially, and even ME to some extent are simply not robust enough (memory, disk handling, device drivers) to do this kind of thing the best it can be done. If people want to continue using those older, less professional, operating versions perhaps they should use Video Factory instead???

I don't really care either way, but if leaving 98 behind meant more concentration on advanced features and less chance for bugs in new releases, the idea gets my vote. And, no, I'm not crazy. I've been a programmer for 25 years, a Windows programmer for around 10 years, I'm a Visual C++ Microsoft MVP, and I've been a Windows beta tester since Windows 95. I'm a vitual newbie when it comes to video (only around 2 years invested so far), but I do know enough to have formed an opinion that running on Win NT, 2000, or XP makes a whole lot more sense for this kind of product.

Tom
SonyEPM wrote on 3/11/2002, 9:48 AM
Tons of people still love 98SE, especially pro audio users. SF has no plans to dump 98SE any time soon.
JoeD wrote on 3/11/2002, 10:21 AM
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tserface wrote on 3/11/2002, 11:17 AM
Ton's of people need to upgrade their systems ;-)

Sorry- couldn't resist.

Tom
FuTz wrote on 3/11/2002, 12:20 PM
Yeah, and while we're at it, let's talk about Mac & VV3... woopeeeeee!!!!!