Can we get back to the important things? What do we want from Vegas?

stakeoutstudios wrote on 2/13/2002, 9:34 AM

This forum's getting difficult to get anything useful out of.. seems a large number of users are too preoccupied with knocking other people's opinions!

Let's try not to make reponses sneering, rude or presumptuous. If you disagree with someone, please voice it in a polite manner, or don't comment.

Anyhow... What are the features - Audio OR Video that people would most like to see either added or fixed? Be it in an update or a new program version!

Oh, and don't get me wrong, I love Vegas - there are just always ways to improve on a great product!

Here are some of the features I think would be neat:

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1.) Reverse audio switch. Be great for effects! Reverse cymbals, guitars... could open up for experimentation!

2.) On a buss channel, the ability to submix again by sending to different buss would be useful! For example, a drum submix. I could have overhead L + R Mikes to Buss A, Kick to Buss B, Oversnare and Undersnare to buss C, Toms to Buss D, and send all these to Buss E to be globally compressed and EQ'd together! nice :oP

3.) Variable phase control. On track events, you must know we have gain envelopes at the top of these? How about a variable phase envelope (maybe without envelope points (that'd be very complex!). Instruments are rarely 180 degrees out of phase. This allow us to visually exactly compare two tracks to match up phase exactly! It would be great for Over and under snare drum microphones, and Bass DI and Bass Cab matching.

4.) Now's where this'll start to sound old. I'd like a simple sequencer. Within the program I know and love. It'll open up a lot of avenues for soft samplers etc, and give Vegas a better shot and dance and pop production! Also, it would open up Vegas to a more mainstream audio mass-market. Right now, I'm convinced that Vegas is the best audio - only software based recording system there is. Can't speak for the video side, but I've heard nothing but good things! There must be other users who want this? I'm sure others are happy to set up other ways round it.. and hell I do it! but wouldn't it be easier and more creatively conductive to contain the sequencer within the same program?

5) Vegas 3.0 is a great step up from Vegas 2.0, name changes or not. And yes we should pay for upgrades... (how are sonic foundry supposed to make a living...?)
There are a couple of stability issues... But I still believe ultimately Sonic Foundry listens to their customers, and is beavering away to sort them out!

If you have any more features you think should be added... put them after this post!

Regards,
Jason Wilcock
Stakeout Studios
(releasing a single to be recorded in Vegas on a major label early next year :o)

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DataMeister wrote on 3/20/2002, 10:20 PM

I would like to see the editing features of Sound Forge added to Vegas Video.

Syntrillium's Cool Edit is an example of what I am wishing for. In Cool Edit you can double click on an item in the timeline and it will open into an editing window, then when you are finished you can tell it to send back to the timeline. All this works without saving to disk. Then when you save the project it will ask if you want to save the changes made in whichever items that were changed. The undos are remembered when switching back and forth. So if you modify something in the editor then send it back to the timline to listen and decided you didn't like it, you could switch back to the editor and undo it.

Also, Cool Edit has a button that allows you to easily switch between track and editor views. It also opens in the last mode you were using. So the Sound Forge users that mainly want just the SoundForge interface would likely not see much difference. If you consitently use mainly the editor you could have it open to that mode, but if you like working from track view mostly, you could have it start in that mode.

I realize it would take away some of Sonic Foundry's product offerings, but I think all the SoundForge users would eventually switch over if given the same features and a decent upgrade path.

JBJones

Chienworks wrote on 3/21/2002, 5:58 AM

What about the currently existing "Open copy in Sound Forge" command? This allows you to perform any editing you wish in Sound Forge, and the changes are automatically inserted back into Vegas. If you don't like the changes, undo reverts back to the previous version of the event. Is that close enough to what you want?

FuTz wrote on 3/21/2002, 7:12 AM

Yeah, Chienworks is right, you just have to select it as your "audio editor" in prefs...

FuTz wrote on 3/21/2002, 7:18 AM

A pointer for this subject here:

Subject: RE: image sequence
Posted by: bjornkn (Ignore This User)
Date: 3/21/2002 5:08:09 AM

Please put the ability to output image sequences on the "New features" list. I would love to have that feature :-)
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Subject: RE: image sequence
Posted by: futz (Ignore This User)
Date: 3/21/2002 7:17:25 AM

I agree!!!! The only way I can do it now is by opening the sequence in Premiere, then exporting it into PhotoShop...
... still for rotoscopy I mean...

craftech wrote on 3/21/2002, 8:28 AM

Simple........some wizards to do routine things

John

Looloo wrote on 4/29/2002, 2:39 PM

I'd be less interested in using vegas as an audio tool than as a video editing program...that said, why not a simple razor blade tool? having to click with the cursor and then hit the s key seems like one step too many..also, printing to tape from the timeline is time consuming (rendered files never worked for me in the print to tape feature in vidcap). I've been able to take a rendered file and open it in Premiere and print to tape immediately which is a feature I'd like to see in Vegas. Exporting an image sequence or filmstrip would be nice. Being able to "lock" a marker to an event would be good too. Other than that, great program, great interface & easy to use...

jetdv wrote on 4/29/2002, 3:26 PM

The ability to capture Stereo 1 OR Stereo 2 from a 4 track minidv recording.

Cheesehole wrote on 4/29/2002, 3:41 PM

>>>I've been able to take a rendered file and open it in Premiere and print to tape immediately which is a feature I'd like to see in Vegas.

this is already a feature of Vegas 3. DV files are not recompressed if they are not edited or affected in some way. drop a DV file on the time line and it should be able to print to tape right away.

>>>Exporting an image sequence or filmstrip would be nice.
yes, definitely an important feature of any professional video editor. (img001.tga, img002.tga, img003.tga etc...) *WITH* an alpha channel, and choices for image formats (tga, png, tiff)

>>>Being able to "lock" a marker to an event would be good too.
agreed. event level markers or some equivalent would be very useful.

Looloo wrote on 4/30/2002, 1:16 PM

Cheesehole - how did you drop your avi file on the timeline and have it print right away? Mine always had to rerender..

thanks,

looloo

Cheesehole wrote on 4/30/2002, 8:13 PM

sounds like you aren't rendering to DV then. DV doesn't have to recompress if the source properties match the destination properties. check your project template, check your render template. make sure you select NTSC or PAL DV and don't edit the templates.

wdorr wrote on 5/4/2002, 1:30 AM

I'd like to see a slight adjustment made in the Film Effects filter by allowing you to select white or black as the color of the scratchy effects.

Right now, if I want the lines and hairs and scratches to be black I have to go through Invert>Film Effects>Invert as a filter chain. But I think when previewing and rendering it really slows down the process by making it invert twice. Maybe it's just me, though. I just think that black scratches make the project look more like a film than white ones.

Mekon wrote on 5/6/2002, 3:23 PM

One thing I would definately suggest: change the damn name! Everyone I talk to laughs when they first hear the name. What was SOFO thinking when they choose Vegas? Verrry cheesy, no pro cred at all.

Strange, as their other products have cool names. Why not feed off the good rep of their other tools. Sound Forge has great pro cred and reputation, so how about:

Video Forge