CineForm 64-bit Support in Beta


blink3times wrote on 6/19/2009, 7:03 PM
"I'm so so greatful this forum lets me be such as big a jerk as everyone else."

Actually "jerk" wasn't what i had in mind.... I figure 'immature' to be a much better term.

Bill... do me a favor and go back to dvinfo and spew your crap over there will ya? That's where you belong anyway.
winrockpost wrote on 6/19/2009, 7:40 PM
with all the bs coming out of corporate stupid,, I find it rrather refreshing this guy tells it like it is , buy his product or don't , but kind of cool he is in here taking the heat.
David Newman wrote on 6/19/2009, 7:57 PM
This should put this side discussion to bed: I now have the go-ahead to put the 64-bit encoder into Neo Scene, just like Neo HD and Neo 4K. Will get the new Neo Scene beta out mid-week or so.

Now back on topic of beta testing the currently 64-bit download. Many more will now benefit to making a well tested official release. I look forward to your input.

David Newman
CTO, CineForm

Laurence wrote on 6/19/2009, 9:46 PM
Thanks David.
Barefoot Joe wrote on 6/19/2009, 10:07 PM
A big "YEA MON" from Grand Cayman. I will be buying it as soon as it is ready...thanks!

Joe Barefoot
Terje wrote on 6/20/2009, 12:24 AM
>> This should put this side discussion to bed

You just got your self a new customer.
JohnnyRoy wrote on 6/20/2009, 5:54 AM
> I now have the go-ahead to put the 64-bit encoder into Neo Scene, just like Neo HD and Neo 4K. Will get the new Neo Scene beta out mid-week or so.

Thanks a million David and I'll be beta testing the new Neo Scene 64-bit encoder for ya' as soon as you give us a link. You guys Rock!

ECB wrote on 6/20/2009, 6:32 AM
Thanks David!

Ed B
MarkWWW wrote on 6/20/2009, 6:48 AM
Excellent news David, many thanks

David Newman wrote on 6/20/2009, 8:57 AM
Here is the link to the Neo Scene beta that support 64-bit encoding.

Neo Scene --

You still need to follow all the install instruction above as all the Neo builds don't yet install 64-bit codec, that requires the separate CFHD64Install download. The 64-bit codec link has also been refreshed, to improve window explorer behavior (faster thumbnails.)

David Newman
CTO, CineForm
Cliff Etzel wrote on 6/20/2009, 9:51 AM
David - thanks for being so responsive to the needs/requests of us Vegas Pro users.

Having said that - having done an uninstall and install of the latest beta along with the 64 bit files, VP9 64bit has locked up when trying to open a previous project using Cineform Intermediates. Until installing the beta file you listed in this thread, I was able to open the project and edit, but not save to Cineform Intermediates. Vegas is taking a VERY long time to open, and most of the files appear to have the look of the dreaded red frame bug that showed it's ugly face in earlier iterations of VP8.

The previous stable version of Neo Scene with the 64bit update the project opened very fast, but there was no ability to save to Cineform. My project - which is only 13 minutes long has taken over 5 minutes (and still waiting) to open since installing this update you posted.

after close to 10 minutes, It appears the redraw of thumbnail on the timeline is the culprit as now they are finally beginning to show.

I uninstalled it and reverted to the latest 32 bit version of Neo Scene with the 64bit decoder and the project opens right up immediately in VP9 64bit with no redraw issues.

Cliff Etzel
Videographer : Producer : Web Designer
David Newman wrote on 6/20/2009, 10:17 AM
Likely an licensing problem, which is why it is beta. Install all the latest, and rename "program files/CineForm/tools/renderVFW.exe" and restart Vegas. Do you have any issues now? The encoding we will disabled without the license, at least until we can work out why the license is failing on your PC (others to?)
VanLazarus wrote on 6/20/2009, 1:53 PM
Thanks David for getting 64 bit encoding into NeoScene.

Thanks as well for being so responsive on these forums. It's refreshing to see a developer interact with it's customers, even when you only hear from us when something is wrong. :)
321 wrote on 6/20/2009, 6:10 PM
I'm confused about the new NeoScene beta names. Is the NeoScene V132b117-090612 update identical to the NeoScene V132 117-090612 update?
David Newman wrote on 6/20/2009, 7:45 PM
Not quite, the least few digits are different due to the date change. The code is the same, so no version bump, but there extra components in 090618 release. The components are in beta.
321 wrote on 6/20/2009, 10:29 PM
David, I presently have the 090612 version installed on my 32-bit laptop. I probably won't go 64-bit until some time in the future. If I update to the 090618 version and have problems, I'd want to uninstall and go back to the 132b 090612 version because I didn't save the 132 090612 update. Or would it be best to stay at my present version until the dust settles.

Would the 64-bit changes affect my 32-bit setup?
David Newman wrote on 6/20/2009, 11:28 PM
zero difference for 32bit system between the two releases - other than a minor CS4 patch. For Vegas 32 bit it is the same binaries.
David Newman wrote on 6/21/2009, 9:10 AM
Anyone else tried this yet. Same issues as Cliff? Cliff did my suggestion fix the issue?

David Newman
CTO, CineForm
JohnnyRoy wrote on 6/21/2009, 9:36 AM
I installed the new Neo Scene over my existing Neo Scene installation and manually installed the 64-bit codec and got no video at first. Then I installed the libmmd.dll file and got video to display. (Horay!) So this file definitely needs to be part of the Neo Scene install for decoding.

I still cannot encode however. :( I get an error that I am not licensed. Here is the text:

This installation is not licensed for 64-bit CineForm HD encoding. Products that

So far the 32-bit functionality is the same so nothing broke. I just can't render with the 64-bit codec.

Should I have uninstalled my existing Neo Scene? I get very nervous about uninstalling software that has activation copy protection because I never know if it's going to re-install without a new activation code.

Cliff Etzel wrote on 6/21/2009, 10:01 AM
I didn't try David - I'm staying with the stable version that is being used with the 64bit decoder for the time being.

I have a video project I need to finish before I futz around with this.

Cliff Etzel
Videographer : Producer : Web Designer
321 wrote on 6/21/2009, 11:29 AM
I always uninstall the older version of NeoScene and delete the "Cineform" folder located under "Program Files" before installing the update. After installing new update, activation has been automatic.
David Newman wrote on 6/21/2009, 5:09 PM
I think I have worked out the issues. The returned need for libmmd.dll was a good clue that my two build PCs weren't producing identical outputs(something was not checked in, as libmmd.dll is not needed for the working release.) The code within Neo Scene is fine, it was the download that had the error.

So install the latest Neo Scene beta (if you haven't already) and no need to reinstall if you haven't.

Download again:

As install that again (make sure no 64-bit tools are using the codec during that install.)

If have Neo Scene installed here, encoding within 64-bit tools, Vegas 9 and VirtualDub.

David Newman
CTO, CineForm

P.S. Let me know if this addresses issue in the field ASAP, as not in the office for a few days after tomorrow morning.

jabloomf1230 wrote on 6/21/2009, 6:36 PM
The licensing error on encoding is gone with Prospect HD. It works fine now with either VDub or Vegas Pro 9.
Xander wrote on 6/21/2009, 6:56 PM
With NeoSceneV132b117b-090618 and InstallCFHD64b I get a licensing error with Vegas9 upon trying to Render as a Cineform AVI.

[Edit: Slightly more detail. I did an uninstall and then re-install of the two above mentioned packages. I also deleted the Au_.exe before uninstalling and made sure it wasn't there before installing. I checked the dependencies of cfhd.dll and all was good. The error message I got whilst encoding from Vegas (1920X1080-60i Template):

This installation is not licensed for 64-bit CineForm HD encoding. Please visit to purchase your upgrade.]