You photo appears to have a white/light haze on the tree branches that doesn't appear on the others.You weren't supposed to notice my sloppy Secondary Color Corrector mask.

:)

Hehe, check this out. Only filters used were Levels in Vegas 8.

musicvid - too much acid man ;-)

One more color POP and I'm sure you'll be able to see God. Thanks for the uncontrolable laugh.

Mike, thank you,.... I think?

MTF and my attempts to understand it, are at best "opaque" to me and at worst I haven't a clue to Bob's invitation to use it rather than talk about "sharpness"?!?

Went waaaay over my head. I think there should be a further/alternative Vegas Pro Forum for the more knowledgable users so that this level of expertise can flourish readily. Problem there is that I wouldn't get to experience this level of understanding. How difficult is this?!

I still want to understand Bob's meaningful comparison.

Anybody else want to make a stab at it? Maybe Mike would care to "dumb-it" down for me?

Grazie

"Anybody else want to make a stab at it? Maybe Mike would care to "dumb-it" down for me?"

I ain't Mike and I will only be as dumb as I am because the maths side of it mostly goes over my head as well.

Resolution, how close pairs of black and white lines can be and still be seen as distinct lines.

MTF, how "black" and "white" those lines remain. With a low MTF lens the light bleeds so the black and white lines move towards grey. That bleed is typical of the older uncoated lenses. It's also typical of "flat" scenes. Low MTF images for whatever reason don't appear sharp or high resolution.

"Sharpness" generally refers to deliberately introduced artifacts that make edges appear sharper.

If all that makes some kind of sense then hopefully you can seen how increasing contrast makes a scene appear "sharper" even though you haven't used any sharpening, what you have done is make the edges more noticeable.

Bob.

off topic does html work for posting pictures in here?

Bob, you're a real gent.

And now, for the real clincher, closure, gestalt, as it is most obvious to you but not I, why, here, would we prefer to talk of one and not of the other? - Keep it dumb for me please?

Cheers

Grazie

so, how can one get the popped colors that Grazie got with his plugin on a normal saturation photo, yet in videos?

Should I maybe STOP shooting reduced saturation video, and maybe even jack it up some if that is what I am after? I thought shooting "Flat" allowed the widest options for coloring in post, but not if it never reaches the levels I want. ????

I am here, you know?

Ok, which one?

G

I want the pop you got on your Sapphire Edge 3 Strip Technicolour example - BUT you used the normal still shot, not the flat video frame.

How can I get that much color on the flat video frame?

You need Sapphire Edge by GenArts.

G

I realize any number of external options exist in other plugs or separate software (CSx etc) but how far can Vegas push?

I'm a bit late but I didn't resist to get into this:

1) work with "flat" footage
2) run vegas in 32 bit full scale
3) use a 10 bit intermediate
4) render for target media using a 10 bit master into a 8 bit project with appropriate color conversion settings: luma and chroma

This one is your not-so-flat frame tweaked with basic Vegas 9 filters only. Heavy saturation with a somewhat cinematic look:

It can be pushed further without too much ringing.

This is a DUH moment for me. Vegas Pro 12 added a Color Match feature. He slaps his head!

I thought I'd try it since wwjd already had a source that he wanted to match. I used a 4K project so the pixel dimensions of the output still would more closely match the source jpg.

Canon Reference Still


Sony VP12 Color Match 4K


This method has the advantage of being quick and easy and doesn't require any plug-ins. You can always tweak what you see with other effects.

"I want the pop you got on your Sapphire Edge 3 Strip Technicolour example"

Emulating 2 or 3 strip Technicolour almost certainly involves altering the colour matrix. You can do that in Vegas using the Channel Blend FX.

Bob.

. . and now Bob will show you just how.

G

I also did try the COLOR MATCH in my V12 and was pleased with the results. I could even push it more from there also as needed.
Unfortuntely, I am working in V11 for certain 32bit plugins. Got me wondering how far could Vegas colors be pushed.

I still haven't achieved what Grazie got with his Sapphire plugins, but certainly close enough and totally usable.

Interesting to see people's takes on it. I feel most were going for a realistic look or accuracy, which they achieved wonderfully in all the photos I see here. What I am after is over the top, unrealistic hyper real look, without the train wreck of blown out colors. I'm trying something again here shortly...

"What I am after is over the top, unrealistic hyper real look"

I'm in the accurate, realistic camp. It's only my curiousity that makes me pursue this effort.

hahahahaha! COOKED!

yes, I am absolutely not knocking great quality, realistic color correcting in any way, love it and respect it a lot. But this is about playing and experimenting for fun - to see if there are limits.
In the final cut, this scene will look normal, yet colorful but not over the top like I'm doing. This is just a panning exterior shot to set location: Basic school :)

Ok, I got it, you want it FLASHY ...

Like the below ?




AAV Colorlab

http://matthew.chaboud.com/vegas5/

Bob.