Editing performance poor in Vegas 18 pro

dez123-vaghy wrote on 8/8/2020, 8:46 PM

My system is as follows.

 

ASUS GeForce RTX 2070 Super 8G EVO Turbo Edition GDDR6

CPU Ryzen 7 3800x

Windows 10 64bit with 32 gig ram.

 

I just upgraded from Vegas Pro 17 to Vegas 18 pro. I should have waited. I don’t think it is optimized for simple editing yet.

 

The performance of the editing is horrible. Vegas 17 is much more smooth. I can’t get a smooth video in the preview panel. Basically I can’t tell what is happening as the video is too choppy.

 

As I remember from last time I upgraded, the issues were similar.

 

This time GPU setting enabled doesn’t crash the program. I tried switching it off and the performance is worse.

 

I would appreciate improvement here as the program is totally useless. A warning to those who want to upgrade. It’s not ready.

 

I have to drop back to 17. Rendering is not so great as well in 18 compared with 17.

 

I support this team as I think it is worthy cause, but sorry guys I can’t use this version until its fixed.

Comments

Steve_Rhoden wrote on 8/8/2020, 10:24 PM

The program is not totally useless!

You are obviously having issues with this new release yes, but not everyone!..... Have you read the tons of conversation within the forum regarding V18?..... Your issue is one that is user related, not universal.

RogerS wrote on 8/8/2020, 11:14 PM

Under help in Vegas Pro 18 did you try the driver update feature? If you're not on the latest NVIDIA studio drivers, do upgrade and try again.

Also, I'd reset the preferences to defaults in case some settings you had from 17 are carried over and causing issues.

I find preview window performance similar to or slightly better than VP 17.
 

dez123-vaghy wrote on 8/9/2020, 7:43 AM

I have been searching, but really can't find anything to help. I have updated the drivers as suggested just now. Still the same situation. If I reset preferences to defaults in 18 will it affect 17? I really can't afford to be blown out of the water. I do several edits a day now for work.

dez123-vaghy wrote on 8/9/2020, 7:45 AM

Most of my work is timed to music, and I need to preview smoothness and stability before rendering. I just tried viewing the monitor at a reduced size and reduced quality. No change. I can't see transitions, and I can't tell because of the lag and choppiness if the footage is smooth.

RogerS wrote on 8/9/2020, 8:14 AM

Your CPU, GPU and ram are good. Something else is the problem.

Resetting Vegas Pro 18 won't affect 17 in any way. Turn off legacy decoding, keep File I/O decoding to "auto" for now.

For the preview window, are you at best/full? If so, maybe drop back to preview/full just for playback.

You haven't posted what media you are using. If it's HEVC or other highly compressed formats, consider creating proxy files to speed the preview. That shouldn't be any different with 17, though, so if it works there it's not a media issue. It's not a good sign that the GPU crashed in 17- something is wrong with this system.

Out of curiosity, could you try going through a GPU benchmark (this one is free) and see what kind of framerate you can and if it crashes? https://benchmark.unigine.com/heaven

I had been blaming Vegas for poor GPU performance only to find out my computer bios and thermal management had a serious issue that was leading to GPU instability. The benchmark helped me figure that out.

dez123-vaghy wrote on 8/9/2020, 8:18 AM

Thanks. I will try to reset settings to default with fingers crossed. Nothing is crashing. Just slow chopping preview and render is way slower than 17. A 3 minute not very complicated project rendered in about 20 minutes.

RogerS wrote on 8/9/2020, 9:01 AM

You said GPU was crashing in 17- it shouldn't have been, so something is wrong.

dez123-vaghy wrote on 8/9/2020, 9:06 AM

Yes it was an issue for 17 initially. The fix was to turn GPU rendering off. A few updates after that, it was resolved.

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 8/9/2020, 11:46 AM

As a general proposition I wouldn't recommend upgrading to any initial build of a new Vegas version if you're still having system issues with the previous one. Sort your system out first with the older more stable version before you introduce new-build bugs on top of your system issues.

The cpu stress tester I always start with is prime95. If there are thermal, overclocking, voltage, or memory issues it will error out till you fix them. You can monitor cpu thermals with CoreTemp. If p95 runs overnight, you're good for those things. Next I do gpu stressing. I don't know that there's anything for windows quite as elegant as p95 for gpu's that shuts itself off as soon as it detects an incorrect gpu computation so the usual practice is to watch the display output and gpu thermal monitors while they run and stop it manually if necessary. Or hope the gpu stops itself before it gets damaged. 3Dmark is probably the mildest and safest one. Kombustor is a little more aggressive but relatively safe. FurMark I'd be real careful with. Running an array of Vegas project benchmarks is what I do last. If the gpu is just ng... the only solution may be to try a different one. Fwiw, I love Asus for motherboards. But not so much for gpus or its ai software. Speaking of which, if you installed v18 Deep Learning Modules... they may be detecting your system problems and throttling Vegas at times for your own good. Ha, ha, without so much as an, "I'm sorry Dave, but I can not do that."

dez123-vaghy wrote on 8/10/2020, 8:16 AM

I know, I try to resist jumping on the upgrade wagon, but I just can't help myself. I must say that 17 is a great companion. I have learnt the (ctrl S) twitch because it will crash now and then with no warning...., and I really didn't want to upgrade and thankfully 17 is still working great. Was up to all hours editing last night. I just upgraded my computer to help with render times and I am glad that I did. Everything works fine with 17. Now I have to find time to play around with the settings for 18 or to wait for the next build.

dez123-vaghy wrote on 8/10/2020, 5:11 PM

I'm sorry, but I have been forced to now work with a project in Vegas 18. I so regret upgrading. Please be warned. If you have a stable 17 working for you. PLEASE STICK with it until they have issues ironed out with 18. Its terrible. Horrible even. What a colossal waste of time. Be warned. I will post if I have time how horrible the editing environment is. The rendering is terribly slow. And for the fixes. What a waste of my time. Can't this team put as default the so called fixes? Shameful. I give up, and will go back to 17.

fr0sty wrote on 8/10/2020, 5:22 PM

Your results aren't widespread. Here's video proof of 18 rendering and opening projects far faster than 17 ever did... I haven't tested timeline performance yet, I'll do a test with it hopefully later tonight.

Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

dez123-vaghy wrote on 8/10/2020, 5:27 PM

I can't tell what I am looking at when I am editing. I wait 20 minutes for a 3 minute video to render to find I have to make changes after the render that I didn't detect because i could not see a smooth transition. I hope these guys read this and start cracking on a better version. Thanks for confirming my thoughts.

Former user wrote on 8/10/2020, 5:50 PM

do a media info of the video that is smooth on vp17 but lags on vp18

If others with your system specs or lower have no problem, it could be something you can fix

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 8/10/2020, 11:57 PM

Your mileage will definitely vary depending on your project, footage, and how well tuned your system already is.  I saw marginally better performance on Vegas 18 on most of the benchmarks I ran which were mostly 4k. But better performance from Vegas 17 on my typical FHD projects of the past.
Here's a project I rendered with both 17 & 18.  It was the first half of a Christmas benefit concert.  Compared the audio mixdown part first followed by the multicam.

Apparently this type of project is what Vegas 18 is worst at... pcm audio with mxf and mts video clips. But once I get more into 4K workflow, its probably the quickest render I'll ever see again with a comparable runtime.  Ha, ha, 4.2x faster than real time! Here are some screen shots of what the audio and multicam parts look like: