Freeze when cut event w/ autoripple while playing

relaxvideo wrote on 12/6/2015, 1:32 AM
With V12 i very often have this problem:
I enable auto ripple and play the timeline.
When i cut an event with a hotkey, preview video freeze,
i cannot do anything, only audio is playing.

Videos are 1080/50 MTS files from a Sony camcorder,
and is on my internal sata drive.

With V11 never had such problem.

What is this?

Comments

Steve Grisetti wrote on 12/6/2015, 8:05 AM
Are you saying that your video stops playing although your audio continues?

If so, are your Video Project Settings set to match your source video specs? That will give you the best playback performance?

Also, have you tried setting your Preview panel to play at a lower or automatic quality?

What processor do you have and with how much RAM? What graphics card do you have, and have you set the program to take advantage of this card?
xberk wrote on 12/6/2015, 12:13 PM
I can't reproduce this behavior.

What do you mean by "hotkey" ?

relaxvideo wrote on 12/6/2015, 1:14 PM
Yes, the video freeze but audio continues.
If i wait very-very long (many minutes!) video comes back, and i can work again.
If i don't wait, i have to kill the app and restart it.

Video Project Settings is the same as the source files of course. But if it wouldn't, i don't think this behavior is acceptable.
I always use good (half) playback quality.

CPU is i7-2600 with 8GB ram, i only have a geforce210 card, and never use GPU acceleration.

Hotkey = i customized the key "A" to Trackview/Edit/Cut command.
So if i Split an event with "S" while playing, and want to delete the unwanted part with "A", video freeze. But only if auto ripple is enabled and i don't stop the timeline playback. If not enabled, or i stop the playback before, problem isn't exist.

xberk wrote on 12/7/2015, 10:41 AM
Using the same workflow -- I cannot reproduce this. Maybe I'm not understanding the workflow.

Which side of the split do you normally delete? Left or right?
How many video and audio tracks on the timeline?
OldSmoke wrote on 12/7/2015, 10:46 AM
I have the feeling the that OP's system isn't fast enough to keep up with the changes on the timeline. Also don't understand why some would cut during playback and delete while the playback is running.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: Intel DX79SR
Ram: G.Skill 8x4GB DDR3 2133 (running at 1600 and lower latency)
CPU: 3930K @ 4.3GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x ASUS Fury-X
Hard drives: 4x 2GB WD Red in RAID 5 (with Hot Spare), 2x Crucial 256GB SSD in RAID 0 (mulitcam project drive), 1x Samsung 850 Pro 256GB SSD (System), 1x Crucial 64GB SSD (temp files and swap file), 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner
PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM, 1x Sony HDTV 32" preview monitor

relaxvideo wrote on 12/7/2015, 11:14 AM
xberk:

Using the same workflow -- I cannot reproduce this
Me too - with Vegas 11.

"Which side of the split do you normally delete? Left or right?"
Left, the unwanted part.

"How many video and audio tracks on the timeline?"
One simple file - so one audio and one video track..


OldSmoke:
So i7-2600 with 8GB ram isn't enough for a 2 track timeline?

Why NOT cut during playback? Why should i stop playing?
I play the timeline and see the unwanted part. When i think now i'm on the important part, i hit "S" for split, and click the event on the left, and want to CUT, but without remaining holes, so with auto ripple ON. I'm an expert editor, started around in 1998.. So no need for stop while editing, and Vegas is my partner in it! But not V12.
Pawel Janaszkiewicz wrote on 12/7/2015, 12:48 PM
I have the same problem with V12.
xberk wrote on 12/7/2015, 1:58 PM
Ok. Now that I understand the workflow, I am seeing this in V12 and V13 -- but not totally consistently. When it does happen, video freezes but audio continues (the timeline cursor freezes too). Other times the timeline keeps running with no problem. Very odd.

I did notice that if you do a "split" as the timeline is running, then do a "delete" as the timeline continues to run (whether using the delete key or Ctrl-X (for Cut) or some Customized key for "cut", IF the timeline continues to run (doesn't freeze) -- then "split" is no longer available until you stop the timeline from running.

I'm unable to test in V11.

relaxvideo wrote on 12/7/2015, 2:06 PM
Oh, then my computer is powerful enough,
just Sony made this cool new "feature" :-(

I'm going back to V11 or even better to Vegas10.
That was my best version. Ehh
R0cky wrote on 12/8/2015, 4:43 PM
If I delete an event while vegas is playing it crashes and windows closes the window or I have to kill it with task manager. I have autoripple on.

rocky
relaxvideo wrote on 12/10/2015, 12:30 AM
Very strange!

So this issue started in V12, and Sony hasn't fixed in V13??
VideoFreq wrote on 12/13/2015, 7:56 PM
This happens to me all the time. I close and reopen the project. I think it's hardware related. Don't know for sure. I have spent my IRA fixing my computer's hardware. At some point I say f*ck it, and just reboot SVP. One other thing I do a lot nowadays is delete Edit History files every 15 minutes or so, especially when color correcting.

Also, I wouldn't recommend cutting or editing while playing the timeline. You can screw up your "thumbnail" caches files. They will play and edit OK but they will not be graphically representative of your clip in any way. Worse, the corruption could be permanent, meaning you would have to download the original video files to get the correct representative thumbnails. It happened to me once while pushing the Vegas envelope.
set wrote on 12/13/2015, 11:01 PM
This issue happens to me as well...
relaxvideo wrote on 12/14/2015, 1:39 AM
we have to go back to earlier, better versions...
Allegretto wrote on 12/16/2015, 6:29 PM
This sounds like a software threading issue (I'm a former software engineer), maybe related to how Vegas handles saving off the undo since you are modifying your project. Perhaps there is some sort of conflict with the playback that is timing dependent (which is why you don't always see it).

Does this happen only with MTS files, or all types of video media?

Since this problem is relatively reproducible, perhaps Sony developers can reproduce it too. Sony doesn't necessarily monitor this forum closely so can you submit a report to Customer Service and provide a link to this forum thread.
relaxvideo wrote on 3/17/2016, 3:27 PM
With all type of video, not only MTS :(
Now i lost 10 minutes from my life again because started V12 instead of V11..
Grrr.
set wrote on 3/17/2016, 10:11 PM
I had this many times...

the only solution I found is don't cut while playing with auto ripple being turned on.
Or, make cut (split), then pause, delete the unneeded clip (while auto ripple being turned on), then, play back again.
or, set auto ripple OFF.

relaxvideo wrote on 3/18/2016, 8:59 AM
yes, but this slow down editing, which is a bad thing when somebody edit since 20 years..
OldSmoke wrote on 3/18/2016, 12:17 PM
I applaud you for being able to make precise cuts on the fly.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: Intel DX79SR
Ram: G.Skill 8x4GB DDR3 2133 (running at 1600 and lower latency)
CPU: 3930K @ 4.3GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x ASUS Fury-X
Hard drives: 4x 2GB WD Red in RAID 5 (with Hot Spare), 2x Crucial 256GB SSD in RAID 0 (mulitcam project drive), 1x Samsung 850 Pro 256GB SSD (System), 1x Crucial 64GB SSD (temp files and swap file), 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner
PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM, 1x Sony HDTV 32" preview monitor

musicvid10 wrote on 3/18/2016, 12:43 PM
My laptop is definitely not powerful enough for this sort of thing.
I also like to set starting cut points in real-time; in my case by hitting the M key repeatedly.
Then tweak and execute with timeline playback stopped.

relaxvideo wrote on 3/18/2016, 1:41 PM
thank you :)
my videos doesn't need frame precise editing.
VMP wrote on 3/18/2016, 2:16 PM
Yup, this is the only time when my Vegas crash too, the only way to avoid this is to disable the ram preview.
Had this from version 10 onwards.

VMP
relaxvideo wrote on 3/18/2016, 2:46 PM
Oh, thanks for the tip!
shane-h wrote on 12/4/2016, 10:47 PM

I HAVE VEGAS 14 PRO NOW, AND THIS CRAP IS HAPPENING TO ME AS WELL, AND I AM A POWER USER, so I have top specs, this is not a bloody hardware issue. Clearly while playing, SPLITTING and then once you hit DELETE causes the issue, so that's gotta be some sort of conflict in the program, like too much data to the right of where you just deleted. I can cut and split on the fly, for god sakes, I have been doing it long enough, never did this in V11, so what's going on in 12, 13 and now I can confirm its happened to me like 5 times today editing, and IT REALLY *&@ me off !!!!!!!