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bitman wrote on 5/9/2019, 1:52 AM

Thanks, I have a i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz and with the default VCE template I am getting 26sec. I suppose it is time for me to upgrade my CPU...

@Adi-W 26s is not bad, an upgrade is not a must!

Anyway be careful when comparing OldSmoke's result of 18s, that is on VEGAS15.

I get 26s on Vegas16 and and a much faster 19s on Vegas15 on the same machine tested last weekend on the same day... And that is with an i7-8700K paired with RTX2080ti

I am a bit puzzled that nobody comments on the almost 30% render speed loss comparing Vegas 16 vs Vegas 15. Is it only a Intel + Nvidia thing or do the AMD + VCE or Intel + VCE folk also experience this with the red car project?

 

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Current system: VP 17 (edit), VP16 (suite) build 424, VP15 (suite) build 416, Magix Video Pro X (VPX11), Corel VS ultimate 2019, a lot of NEWBLUE plugins, Titler Pro 6, Mercalli 4.0, Respeedr, Vasco Da Gamma 12, VASST stuff, Production Assistent pro3, Boris Continuum 2019, Davinci Resolve Studio 16 b...

  • OS: Windows 10 Pro 64, version 1903
  • CPU: der8auer i7-8700K (advanced edition), default speed (no overclock), Cooler: Noctua NH-D15s
  • RAM: G.Skill Trident Z 3200C14 DDR4 64GB, XMP set to profile 1 in BIOS
  • Videocard: NVIDEA RTX 2080Ti (Founders edition), NVIDEA studio drivers
  • Monitor: LG 38 inch ultra-wide (21x9) - yes upgraded from 34 to 38, I can see more tracks now! Resolution: 3840x1600
  • C-drive: Samsung NVMe SSD 2TB 960 pro
  • Data storage: WD gold 6TB + WD Yellow 4TB
  • MOBO: Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 7
  • PS: Corsair HX1200i, Case: Silverstone fortress 2, shuttlePROv2, Keyboard and mouse: Logitech G910 and G700s (and now Evoluent Vertical Mouse)

Before November 2018: NVIDEA Gibabyte GTX 1080ti

Before November 2017: windows 10 Pro 64, i7-4790k, mem: DDR3 16GB GTX TITAN X (Maxwell)

 

mintyslippers wrote on 5/9/2019, 3:14 AM

Magix! Your latest and greatest is seriously slower. Any comment?

OldSmoke wrote on 5/9/2019, 5:40 AM

Anyway be careful when comparing OldSmoke's result of 18s, that is on VEGAS15.

@bitman No. It’s in Vegas 16.

I am a bit puzzled that nobody comments on the almost 30% render speed loss comparing Vegas 16 vs Vegas 15. Is it only a Intel + Nvidia thing or do the AMD + VCE or Intel + VCE folk also experience this with the red car project?

No difference on my system.

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Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

matthias-krutz wrote on 5/9/2019, 5:51 AM

No difference between VP15 and VP16 on my system from signature, always 19s.

bitman wrote on 5/9/2019, 11:23 AM

Anyway be careful when comparing OldSmoke's result of 18s, that is on VEGAS15.

@bitman No. It’s in Vegas 16.

@OldSmoke that was based on your signature which still provides this info:

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15. 😜

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Current system: VP 17 (edit), VP16 (suite) build 424, VP15 (suite) build 416, Magix Video Pro X (VPX11), Corel VS ultimate 2019, a lot of NEWBLUE plugins, Titler Pro 6, Mercalli 4.0, Respeedr, Vasco Da Gamma 12, VASST stuff, Production Assistent pro3, Boris Continuum 2019, Davinci Resolve Studio 16 b...

  • OS: Windows 10 Pro 64, version 1903
  • CPU: der8auer i7-8700K (advanced edition), default speed (no overclock), Cooler: Noctua NH-D15s
  • RAM: G.Skill Trident Z 3200C14 DDR4 64GB, XMP set to profile 1 in BIOS
  • Videocard: NVIDEA RTX 2080Ti (Founders edition), NVIDEA studio drivers
  • Monitor: LG 38 inch ultra-wide (21x9) - yes upgraded from 34 to 38, I can see more tracks now! Resolution: 3840x1600
  • C-drive: Samsung NVMe SSD 2TB 960 pro
  • Data storage: WD gold 6TB + WD Yellow 4TB
  • MOBO: Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 7
  • PS: Corsair HX1200i, Case: Silverstone fortress 2, shuttlePROv2, Keyboard and mouse: Logitech G910 and G700s (and now Evoluent Vertical Mouse)

Before November 2018: NVIDEA Gibabyte GTX 1080ti

Before November 2017: windows 10 Pro 64, i7-4790k, mem: DDR3 16GB GTX TITAN X (Maxwell)

 

TheRhino wrote on 5/9/2019, 12:47 PM

I edit 1-2 projects every months or so. Never had issues. nada. I own 2 system intel and AMD both system highly overclocked with custom build water cooled....

What ever the driver that Windows 10 gave me. I do not pick my own driver....

@BruceUSA notes that he does not pick his own drivers, just lets Windows decide... Therefore I would not get too hung-up on his 14 sec. RedCarTest to evaluate your system. I was able to get 13 sec. on my 9900K @ 5.1ghz & Vega64 LQ, but not overclocked... However, this was with older Intel & AMD drivers. If I switch to the latest drivers, I get a few seconds slower... My system scores the same on V15 & V16 and the same on RedCarTest on BEST vs. DEFAULT... On all the stuff I render daily, my new 5.0ghz 9900K is almost exactly 2X as fast as my older 4.0ghz Xeon 5660. I'm happy with that, not some RedCarTest that does not resemble my real-world projects...

I challenged @BruceUSA to complete this test that can be downloaded from this site, but he has not responded with numbers: https://www.mediafire.com/file/qv4my04r2uvvdg4/test.zip/file

ParrallaZ Rock 01 Test to MAGIX AVC/AAC MP4 Internet HD 59.94 fps

9900K @ 4.9ghz & Vega 64 LQ stock:

QSV = 29:17... full test..(49% CPU, 5% GPU, 10:33fps)
VCE = 30:45..................(57% CPU, 8% GPU, 9.83fps)
CPU = 34:16 ......….......(69% CPU, 3% GPU)

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Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair i150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (QSV) in 13s-14s when clocked at 5.0 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID10 card

10G Network using cheap Mellanox2 Adapters
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A, B & C are 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

TheRhino wrote on 5/9/2019, 3:11 PM

About Intel QSV drivers & AMD drivers working well together....

Based on this thread, the last Intel drivers without DCH are: 25.20.100.6373 found here or here
Later Intel drivers have DCH which Vegas has not integrated properly...
Revert back to 6373 and I can install the latest AMD 19.4.3 drivers found here and both work well together.
As noted in my earlier posts, when I select QSV during rendering, both AMD & Intel GPUs are activing creating some fast renders, like 13-14s on the Red Car Test that everyone is talking about...

According to Intel, DCH is important, read about it here so hopefully Magix will update V16 & include it in V17...

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Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair i150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (QSV) in 13s-14s when clocked at 5.0 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID10 card

10G Network using cheap Mellanox2 Adapters
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A, B & C are 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

BruceUSA wrote on 5/9/2019, 5:20 PM

My system still getting consistantly 14s on the Sony project Benchmark. Almost in the 13s range but always ended up in the 14s. My Vega 10 frontier Edition use AMD Certified Driver unlike your Vega 64. There are different class. In fact once in a while I do run the benchmark just wanting to see any difference but I end up gotten the same number.

Sony Project Benchmark is what I will continue to use to test my current or future new system because this Benchmark is a good indications to how well my system work and fits well in my work flow. My system can manage two 4K 10 bit from gh5 on a 32 bit project setting editing in multicam in real time in best/full with FX. Can your 5.1ghz do that? I am just curious..

As for you are asking me to download the sample test project. In fact I had downloaded when he first uploaded the test. I briefly run the test and its horrible and I never bother to let it finish rendering. So I aborted the test. In the test he used those FX are old, out of date and painfully slow. That test don't tell me how well my system performs and don't fit in my work flow.

TheRhino wrote on 5/9/2019, 7:38 PM

As for you are asking me to download the sample test project. In fact I had downloaded when he first uploaded the test. I briefly run the test and its horrible and I never bother to let it finish rendering. So I aborted the test. In the test he used those FX are old, out of date and painfully slow. That test don't tell me how well my system performs and don't fit in my work flow.

@BruceUSA The Red Car Test does not resemble the work I do for clients, but I ran it for everyone on this forum so they could compare... I ask that you take time to run the other sample test project so that those of us who use older FX & codecs have an idea how Threadripper handles those as well... MOST of my clients want a high quality intermediate codec, not MP4...

IMO the Radeon GPUs & fast hard drives do more to help manage multiple 4:2:2 10-Bit 4K Video at 24/30p than sheer CPU speed... My 4.0ghz Xeons with Radeon RX 570s allow me to edit multiple cameras' 4:2:2 10-Bit 4K Video at 24/30p... These older systems have a (6) SATA RAID0 source drive (700+ Mbs) feeding an (8) SATA RAID10 drive (550+ Mbs), all in hot-swap bays. NOT as fast as M.2 drives in RAID but lots more storage because those 4K files get big & I edit client work daily...

HOWEVER, the 9900K, like your Threadripper, sure speeds-along renders... Almost everything I render is 2X as fast as the Xeons... Nothing wrong with either... BUT, you cannot say Threadripper is better if you are unwilling to run the same tests...

The benefit of Threadripper is the ability to have (4) M.2 drives on PCIe RAID cards without saturating the PCIe bus... However, the 9900K has Thunderbolt which I already have... The BIG difference is that I only spent $1,350 USD for my cpu/mb/ddr4/cooler/gpu upgrade...

Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair i150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (QSV) in 13s-14s when clocked at 5.0 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID10 card

10G Network using cheap Mellanox2 Adapters
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A, B & C are 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

fr0sty wrote on 5/11/2019, 10:42 AM

This project made my gtx 970 choke to the point that it needed proxies. With Radeon 7, it plays back smooth at best (full) even with luts applied (which I tested after this video was shot). This is a 5 camera multicam, all 4k, with one gopro angle (decoded horribly on the 970) and one 10 bit gh5 angle (ditto, decoded horribly on 970, requiring proxies).

I had some issues getting it all set up, the drivers still suck for this card, the car by default over scans my 4K OLED screen. I had to go into the TV settings to find a setting that actually worked with it without overscanning. My GTX 970 had no problems at all with this. I had a few power supply issues after that that we're resulting in a black screen, every time I would put the GPU under load, but buying a new power supply fix it. All in all I'm very satisfied with the performance increase I've had, at the very least I'm getting a 2 x performance increase, more in most cases.

fr0sty wrote on 5/12/2019, 10:40 AM

Now I'm dealing with my secondary 4k monitor flickering in and out, and cutting out completely at times. Looks like a common issue with the newer Vega Radeons. AMD GPUs really are garbage... and it all seems to come down to the drivers, which is the exact same problem I had with my Radeon 6870 4-5 years ago, it's the entire reason I switched to Nvidia. I couldn't make it through a video projection mapping gig without one or more of my projectors losing signal. Now I'm going to have to put my GTX 970 back into my system each time I have one of those jobs, as I can't rely on this card holding up through a performance.

https://community.amd.com/thread/237060#comment-2908447

Here's others having the exact same issue. Buyer beware!

Kinvermark wrote on 5/12/2019, 11:34 AM

… and some older cards too! I recently changed from an R9 290 (never had a problem) to an RX580 and started seeing desktop "resets" i.e. one screen would go black just long enough to cause the other to reset too. Traced the issue to the cable on the one monitor - approx. 10 ft. - and changed it to a higher spec version. Much better, but still not 100%. Now happens maybe once every couple of days, and the blackout isn't long enough to cause a desktop reset.

PS Using two UHD monitors connected by HDMI.

PPS To be clear, this has nothing to do with Vegas.

fr0sty wrote on 5/12/2019, 11:54 AM

I read that the issue should be fixed in a future driver update... I hope this ends up being the case soon... and if so, I'm not updating that driver again until I know that they can be relied on. In the mean time, I've found a temporary workaround of simply making any resolution, refresh rate, hdr mode, etc. change that causes the GPU to have to reset the signal it is sending to the screen, it will make the screen "wake up" and get signal again.