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bitman wrote on 5/1/2019, 2:12 AM

Interesting read, thanks!

Current system: VP 17 (edit), VP16 (suite) build 424, VP15 (suite) build 416, Magix Video Pro X (VPX11), Corel VS ultimate 2019, a lot of NEWBLUE plugins, Titler Pro 6, Mercalli 4.0, Respeedr, Vasco Da Gamma 12, VASST stuff, Production Assistent pro3, Boris Continuum 2019, Davinci Resolve Studio 16 b...

  • OS: Windows 10 Pro 64, version 1903
  • CPU: der8auer i7-8700K (advanced edition), default speed (no overclock), Cooler: Noctua NH-D15s
  • RAM: G.Skill Trident Z 3200C14 DDR4 64GB, XMP set to profile 1 in BIOS
  • Videocard: NVIDEA RTX 2080Ti (Founders edition), NVIDEA studio drivers
  • Monitor: LG 38 inch ultra-wide (21x9) - yes upgraded from 34 to 38, I can see more tracks now! Resolution: 3840x1600
  • C-drive: Samsung NVMe SSD 2TB 960 pro
  • Data storage: WD gold 6TB + WD Yellow 4TB
  • MOBO: Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 7
  • PS: Corsair HX1200i, Case: Silverstone fortress 2, shuttlePROv2, Keyboard and mouse: Logitech G910 and G700s (and now Evoluent Vertical Mouse)

Before November 2018: NVIDEA Gibabyte GTX 1080ti

Before November 2017: windows 10 Pro 64, i7-4790k, mem: DDR3 16GB GTX TITAN X (Maxwell)

 

mintyslippers wrote on 5/1/2019, 2:57 AM

Intersting to see the Ryzen 7 on par with the much more expensive i9. Those are the 2 mainstream processors. After that your into crazy price i9 and ThreadRipper.

Also the GTX 1660 and RTX 2060 also doing quite well. But, if I could do it all again I would pay the extra £100 and go for the Vega 64 I think.

But that said. In my experience of Vegas and other apps what performs well today could change in the next release with optimized settings and drivers and then totally change again 6 months later.

BruceUSA wrote on 5/1/2019, 8:12 AM

Yeah I saw and read their page. But. I don't need any tech tips because I had already found my supreme system that there is no one else out there can matched the 14s Red Car Benchmark that I known of at least not in this forum. Just take look at the frame rates. yeah that is 217 frames baby. ALL the experts here tell you differently. But I am lovin mine. Vegas Benchmark speaks great for itself. Sorry I could not resisted.

 

eikira wrote on 5/1/2019, 8:59 AM

But. I don't need any tech tips because I had already found my supreme system that there is no one else out there can matched the 14s Red Car Benchmark that I known of at least not in this forum.

I have read a few times about 'red car benchmark' where can i get it?

Kinvermark wrote on 5/1/2019, 9:11 AM

@Deathspawner

Thanks for the latest article on Vegas Pro performance. You have clearly put in a lot of work to try to delve more deeply into what is needed to get a great system for Vegas. Good job!

 

@BruceUSA

Are you getting a case of "tech megalomania?" 😀 Anyway, your results are reflected in the Techgage article - looks like the Vega 64 cards are real winners for Vegas (also popular with some of the more technical members of the DR forums). Too bad the Canadian dollar has sunk so low...for now I can only dream.

BruceUSA wrote on 5/1/2019, 9:20 AM

@Deathspawner

Thanks for the latest article on Vegas Pro performance. You have clearly put in a lot of work to try to delve more deeply into what is needed to get a great system for Vegas. Good job!

 

@BruceUSA

Are you getting a case of "tech megalomania?" 😀 Anyway, your results are reflected in the Techgage article - looks like the Vega 64 cards are real winners for Vegas (also popular with some of the more technical members of the DR forums). Too bad the Canadian dollar has sunk so low...for now I can only dream.

No. Perhaps i did not clarify myself better. My statement mainly imply to those insisted nivida that and that.

BruceUSA wrote on 5/1/2019, 9:25 AM

I already knew that long ago that any AMD cards will do better in Vegas anyway. I am already way ahead of the techgage testing cards with Vegas. As i said. I already knew what is best for Vegas because i already got the best combo for Vegas.

bitman wrote on 5/1/2019, 9:30 AM

@BruceUSA I cannot trump your 14s, the best I get is 26s on my rig. But than again, I do not overclock my system while you do. Nothing wrong with overclocking, mind you, I did it myself a lot few decades ago. I still build my systems 'overclock ready' with all the best components, but for different reasons: to rule out system instability due to hardware. Maybe I will go into bios just for the fun of it and beat your 14s!

Current system: VP 17 (edit), VP16 (suite) build 424, VP15 (suite) build 416, Magix Video Pro X (VPX11), Corel VS ultimate 2019, a lot of NEWBLUE plugins, Titler Pro 6, Mercalli 4.0, Respeedr, Vasco Da Gamma 12, VASST stuff, Production Assistent pro3, Boris Continuum 2019, Davinci Resolve Studio 16 b...

  • OS: Windows 10 Pro 64, version 1903
  • CPU: der8auer i7-8700K (advanced edition), default speed (no overclock), Cooler: Noctua NH-D15s
  • RAM: G.Skill Trident Z 3200C14 DDR4 64GB, XMP set to profile 1 in BIOS
  • Videocard: NVIDEA RTX 2080Ti (Founders edition), NVIDEA studio drivers
  • Monitor: LG 38 inch ultra-wide (21x9) - yes upgraded from 34 to 38, I can see more tracks now! Resolution: 3840x1600
  • C-drive: Samsung NVMe SSD 2TB 960 pro
  • Data storage: WD gold 6TB + WD Yellow 4TB
  • MOBO: Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 7
  • PS: Corsair HX1200i, Case: Silverstone fortress 2, shuttlePROv2, Keyboard and mouse: Logitech G910 and G700s (and now Evoluent Vertical Mouse)

Before November 2018: NVIDEA Gibabyte GTX 1080ti

Before November 2017: windows 10 Pro 64, i7-4790k, mem: DDR3 16GB GTX TITAN X (Maxwell)

 

bitman wrote on 5/1/2019, 9:43 AM

@eikira search for sony (yes was still sony) vp11 benchmark download link on this forum that is the "red car" one,

I found this one, and it works:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1t8uOIie5vgZD11wXyHAvQdwWf_OkvO_V

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Current system: VP 17 (edit), VP16 (suite) build 424, VP15 (suite) build 416, Magix Video Pro X (VPX11), Corel VS ultimate 2019, a lot of NEWBLUE plugins, Titler Pro 6, Mercalli 4.0, Respeedr, Vasco Da Gamma 12, VASST stuff, Production Assistent pro3, Boris Continuum 2019, Davinci Resolve Studio 16 b...

  • OS: Windows 10 Pro 64, version 1903
  • CPU: der8auer i7-8700K (advanced edition), default speed (no overclock), Cooler: Noctua NH-D15s
  • RAM: G.Skill Trident Z 3200C14 DDR4 64GB, XMP set to profile 1 in BIOS
  • Videocard: NVIDEA RTX 2080Ti (Founders edition), NVIDEA studio drivers
  • Monitor: LG 38 inch ultra-wide (21x9) - yes upgraded from 34 to 38, I can see more tracks now! Resolution: 3840x1600
  • C-drive: Samsung NVMe SSD 2TB 960 pro
  • Data storage: WD gold 6TB + WD Yellow 4TB
  • MOBO: Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 7
  • PS: Corsair HX1200i, Case: Silverstone fortress 2, shuttlePROv2, Keyboard and mouse: Logitech G910 and G700s (and now Evoluent Vertical Mouse)

Before November 2018: NVIDEA Gibabyte GTX 1080ti

Before November 2017: windows 10 Pro 64, i7-4790k, mem: DDR3 16GB GTX TITAN X (Maxwell)

 

vkmast wrote on 5/1/2019, 10:05 AM

Yes, it works. You might read also this comment.

BruceUSA wrote on 5/1/2019, 10:29 AM

@BruceUSA I cannot trump your 14s, the best I get is 26s on my rig. But than again, I do not overclock my system while you do. Nothing wrong with overclocking, mind you, I did it myself a lot few decades ago. I still build my systems 'overclock ready' with all the best components, but for different reasons: to rule out system instability due to hardware. Maybe I will go into bios just for the fun of it and beat your 14s!

I edit 1-2 projects every months or so. Never had issues. nada. I own 2 system intel and AMD both system highly overclocked with custom build water cooled.

BruceUSA wrote on 5/1/2019, 10:41 AM

Please do. I welcome any one can beat that 14s in this forum.

TheRhino wrote on 5/1/2019, 12:42 PM

Please do. I welcome any one can beat that 14s in this forum.

@BruceUSA
What AMD drivers are you using to get 14s? Do you still get 14s with latest GPU drivers & the new Vegas 16 update? I get 17s reliably using QSV, modest 9900K overclock to 4.9ghz & new drivers... I will test again at 5.1ghz with Vega64 overclocked/undervolted when I get a couple projects out.

And, how does your system perform on:

ParrallaZ Rock 01 Test to MAGIX AVC/AAC MP4 Internet HD 59.94 fps

9900K @ 4.9ghz & Vega 64 LQ stock:

QSV = 29:17... full test..(49% CPU, 5% GPU, 10:33fps)
VCE = 30:45..................(57% CPU, 8% GPU, 9.83fps)
CPU = 34:16 ......….......(69% CPU, 3% GPU)

Vegas is still a hodge-podge of old & new FX, codecs, etc. Results can vary greatly based on FX, codec, Vegas updates, GPU drivers, etc. IMO the ParrallaZ Rock test is a good means to compare Intel & AMD CPUs because GPU/QSV does not have a significant impact.

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Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair i150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (QSV) in 13s-14s when clocked at 5.0 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID10 card

10G Network using cheap Mellanox2 Adapters
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A, B & C are 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

BruceUSA wrote on 5/1/2019, 12:47 PM

What ever the driver that Windows 10 gave me. I do not pick my own driver.

BruceUSA wrote on 5/1/2019, 12:49 PM

Vegas got some the very old FX and they are dog slow. VP needs to update all their native FX with GPU ACC like Davincci Resolve would be awesome.

 

bitman wrote on 5/1/2019, 1:00 PM

Please do. I welcome any one can beat that 14s in this forum.

I tried, but failed 😬.

Just for the sake of testing if BruceUsa's red car's 14s rendering could be bested I overclocked my current rig to 5 GHz, and although this resulted in an reproducible improvement of 3s (from 26s to 23s) rendering time, I put my system back to normal, not overclocked, the speed increase is not worth the possible less stability.

Current system: VP 17 (edit), VP16 (suite) build 424, VP15 (suite) build 416, Magix Video Pro X (VPX11), Corel VS ultimate 2019, a lot of NEWBLUE plugins, Titler Pro 6, Mercalli 4.0, Respeedr, Vasco Da Gamma 12, VASST stuff, Production Assistent pro3, Boris Continuum 2019, Davinci Resolve Studio 16 b...

  • OS: Windows 10 Pro 64, version 1903
  • CPU: der8auer i7-8700K (advanced edition), default speed (no overclock), Cooler: Noctua NH-D15s
  • RAM: G.Skill Trident Z 3200C14 DDR4 64GB, XMP set to profile 1 in BIOS
  • Videocard: NVIDEA RTX 2080Ti (Founders edition), NVIDEA studio drivers
  • Monitor: LG 38 inch ultra-wide (21x9) - yes upgraded from 34 to 38, I can see more tracks now! Resolution: 3840x1600
  • C-drive: Samsung NVMe SSD 2TB 960 pro
  • Data storage: WD gold 6TB + WD Yellow 4TB
  • MOBO: Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 7
  • PS: Corsair HX1200i, Case: Silverstone fortress 2, shuttlePROv2, Keyboard and mouse: Logitech G910 and G700s (and now Evoluent Vertical Mouse)

Before November 2018: NVIDEA Gibabyte GTX 1080ti

Before November 2017: windows 10 Pro 64, i7-4790k, mem: DDR3 16GB GTX TITAN X (Maxwell)

 

Kinvermark wrote on 5/1/2019, 1:07 PM

Right click desktop - AMD Radeon settings - System. Top left shown Radeon software version ( e.g. 19.4.1)

 

bitman wrote on 5/1/2019, 1:15 PM

Another fun thing I just did is to lower my i7 real core count from 6 to 4 cores in BIOS. This resulted in a loss of 3s (went from 26s to 29s) on the red car rendering.

Current system: VP 17 (edit), VP16 (suite) build 424, VP15 (suite) build 416, Magix Video Pro X (VPX11), Corel VS ultimate 2019, a lot of NEWBLUE plugins, Titler Pro 6, Mercalli 4.0, Respeedr, Vasco Da Gamma 12, VASST stuff, Production Assistent pro3, Boris Continuum 2019, Davinci Resolve Studio 16 b...

  • OS: Windows 10 Pro 64, version 1903
  • CPU: der8auer i7-8700K (advanced edition), default speed (no overclock), Cooler: Noctua NH-D15s
  • RAM: G.Skill Trident Z 3200C14 DDR4 64GB, XMP set to profile 1 in BIOS
  • Videocard: NVIDEA RTX 2080Ti (Founders edition), NVIDEA studio drivers
  • Monitor: LG 38 inch ultra-wide (21x9) - yes upgraded from 34 to 38, I can see more tracks now! Resolution: 3840x1600
  • C-drive: Samsung NVMe SSD 2TB 960 pro
  • Data storage: WD gold 6TB + WD Yellow 4TB
  • MOBO: Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 7
  • PS: Corsair HX1200i, Case: Silverstone fortress 2, shuttlePROv2, Keyboard and mouse: Logitech G910 and G700s (and now Evoluent Vertical Mouse)

Before November 2018: NVIDEA Gibabyte GTX 1080ti

Before November 2017: windows 10 Pro 64, i7-4790k, mem: DDR3 16GB GTX TITAN X (Maxwell)

 

BruceUSA wrote on 5/1/2019, 1:55 PM

Right click desktop - AMD Radeon settings - System. Top left shown Radeon software version ( e.g. 19.4.1)

 

Oh I know that. I just saying I don't or ever looking at what driver my system is currently using. As i am extremely happy with my system performance. I do not care or search for better driver ans as I have no issue what so ever.

BruceUSA wrote on 5/1/2019, 1:58 PM

Please do. I welcome any one can beat that 14s in this forum.

I tried, but failed 😬.

Just for the sake of testing if BruceUsa's red car's 14s rendering could be bested I overclocked my current rig to 5 GHz, and although this resulted in an reproducible improvement of 3s (from 26s to 23s) rendering time, I put my system back to normal, not overclocked, the speed increase is not worth the possible less stability.

So I am the 14s title holder on the benchmark. Anyone else?

Kinvermark wrote on 5/1/2019, 3:09 PM

You missed the point: what is the Radeon driver version number you are using?

BruceUSA wrote on 5/1/2019, 3:22 PM

You missed the point: what is the Radeon driver version number you are using?

Can't tell ryou rght now as I am not at the desk at the movement. Will try to list it tomorrow.

TheRhino wrote on 5/1/2019, 4:52 PM

OC'd 9900K to 5.1 ghz and achieved 14s on Red Car on 3/4 tests. One was 13s...

OC'd 9900K to 5.0 ghz and achieved 15s on Red Car on 6/8 tests. Two were 14s...
6-17-2019 Edit: Removed unnecessary apps in background & now get 13s when clocked @ 5.0 ghz
RedCarTest files on one M.2 RAID0 rendering to 2nd M.2 RAID0

OC'd 9900K to 4.9 ghz was getting 17s on Red Car Test on 3/4 tests...
6-17-2019 Edit: Removed unnecessary apps in background & now get 14s when clocked @ 4.9 ghz

I've been completing client work at 4.9ghz with good temps & no problems. I will try the next two weeks at 5.0 ghz. Not planning to go to 5.1ghz. Cooler is a $140 Corsair H150i. I can't hear the radiator fans on it or the liquid-cooled Vega 64 that is still running at stock speeds...

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Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair i150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (QSV) in 13s-14s when clocked at 5.0 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID10 card

10G Network using cheap Mellanox2 Adapters
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A, B & C are 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

JN_ wrote on 5/1/2019, 5:28 PM

Ok Bruceusa, thats it, your done and dusted ... “OC'd 9900K to 5.1 ghz and achieved 14s on Red Car on 3/4 tests. One was 13s...” The king is dead.

Just drop it in the skip on the way out.😂

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Desktop and Laptop basic specs ...

Both run Win 10 ...

Running latest ver. of Vegas Pro with latest updates.

VP13 B453 also.

Vegaseur and Pluraleyes installed on both ...

Quicktime 7.79.80.95

PC ...

i9 9900K, Intel Graphics 630. Nov 2018.

Mem. 32gb DDR4 Nov. '18.

Graphics card .. Nvidia Rtx 2080 Ti

Nvidia Graphics driver .. latest Studio driver.

Latest Intel Graphics driver

 

Laptop ... (Acer Predator G9-793-77AC)

CPU .. i7-6700HQ Skylake-H

Memory ..16GB DDR4 

Graphics card .. Nvidia GTX 1070, latest Studio driver.