Thank you so much for the additional information. Off the top of my head I'm not sure what would be causing the additional delays when loading Vegas but I'll look into it.

j-v,

I believe the only folder there that Titler Pro should be using is:

C:\Users\<your user name>\AppData\Local\Temp\Titler Pro

How big is that folder specifically?

The problem was in this folder; C:\Program Files\Common Files\OFX

When I removed the NewBlue Folders VP loaded in 12 seconds.

I have removed and reinstalled my NewBlue effects and now I am loading in 12 seconds.

I want a much better Saving Protocol, as straightforward as NBTP5 and 6.

I want better Keyframe Navigation.

I want to able to select and Group Keyframes.

I have other issues and pains.

Now, when does this thread stop being something Vegas-Centric and to do with Vegas Pro and then get moved somewhere else? Or will it stay here?

@newblue-mj - I've noticed that you're on several other NLE Forums throughout the INTERNET. I understand you're wishing to building up NB presence in partner-forums and the profile of NB - I get it, I really do. However, you're also going to need to manage the expectations of VegHeads here that a solution will be found. Otherwise this will descend into you continually inviting people to send in Support Tickets to NB. And that in turn could be counter-productive to your Mission.

To all VegHeads do view Marcus's YouTube Support videos for NBTP. Well worth viewing.

@newblue-mj - Will you please produce a YouTube Video on how to Save work and how multiple Lower Thirds NAMES can be managed in NBTP7? I've seen the present one and it is IMHO pretty skimpy in its explanations.

 

The problem was in this folder; C:\Program Files\Common Files\OFX

When I removed the NewBlue Folders VP loaded in 12 seconds.

I have removed and reinstalled my NewBlue effects and now I am loading in 12 seconds.

 

That's interesting, so after uninstalling and reinstalling your NewBlue software you are not seeing any delays anymore when starting Vegas?

The problem was in this folder; C:\Program Files\Common Files\OFX

When I removed the NewBlue Folders VP loaded in 12 seconds.

I have removed and reinstalled my NewBlue effects and now I am loading in 12 seconds.

 

That's interesting, so after uninstalling and reinstalling your NewBlue software you are not seeing any delays anymore when starting Vegas?

Correct! :-)

How big is that folder specifically?

Big enough, more than 100GB.
That is not the problem.
My problem is, and I don't like such on my hardware, after closing the programs that used those files, the files stay, untill?
Normally all programs I use clear her made caches a.s.o., but this one not.
Only when I reopen Vegas and load a preset Titler those files will be deleted and changed by new ones.

 

@j-v ,

I apologize, I realize the first picture you posted of the 4gb folder was actually the "Titler Pro" directory I was asking for.

So, to explain what's going on, Titler Pro pre-renders some of the graphics in each title to make sure that they play back smoothly, which in many cases allows them to run in realtime when playing back your Vegas timeline. These files are stored in the "Appdata\Local\Temp\Titler Pro" directory.

The reason that these files are not deleted when you exit Vegas is so that Titler Pro dos not need to re-render them the next time you start Vegas.

Now, and this gets to some of @Grazie 's concerns, one of the reasons we changed Titler Pro 7 to make you save the titles to your hard drive was also to give the user more control of where these cache files go. So, rather than grouping all of the cache files from all your projects in a single Temp directory, the cache files are placed alongside the title files on your hard drive.

Ok thanks.
Sorry, but no reason for me to upgrade because because I hardly use that Titler.

Now, and this gets to some of @Grazie 's concerns, one of the reasons we changed Titler Pro 7 to make you save the titles to your hard drive was also to give the user more control of where these cache files go.

@newblue-mj - Whilst it’s an excellent boost to the outcome, I don’t care WHY it’s being done this way I want the SAVING PROCESS to be transparent and straightforward. Telling the ”WHY” doesn’t cure the “HOW”, no matter how beneficial it is. Please understand what I’m saying.

So, rather than grouping all of the cache files from all your projects in a single Temp directory, the cache files are placed alongside the title files on your hard drive.

@newblue-mj - Again, this is the WHY. I want to have a straightforward simple saving process. I really don’t NEED to be confused by saving over a project name I’ve already got!? I really want to see a step by step Tutorial on Saving and how I go about saving lower thirds with, for example, different Names and Job Title BUT the same Lower Thirds Style. In NBTP6 and NBTP5 this was straightforward and I wasn't required to save over an exsisting Style or Project.

NB: @newblue-mj I want NBTP7 to use the same SAVING GUI paradigm as previous, AND to retain this new CACHE-ing feature.

I really want to see a step by step Tutorial on Saving and how I go about saving lower thirds with, for example, different Names and Job Title BUT the same Lower Thirds Style.

@Grazie I think that's a very good suggestion and I'll do my best to make it a reality.

@Grazie I think that's a very good suggestion and I'll do my best to make it a reality.

@newblue-mj - “Make it so.” Captain Pecard.....

It's FX, @Grazie, but not FX as we know it.

BTW, I recently responded to a survey from NBFX re Titler Pro (6 in my case). My main request was to include a global defeat option of the 'ripple' function to all other titles in the project so that each title can remain independent of the others.

Grazie

Again, this is the WHY. I want to have a straightforward simple saving process. I really don’t NEED to be confused by saving over a project name I’ve already got!? I really want to see a step by step Tutorial on Saving and how I go about saving lower thirds with, for example, different Names and Job Title BUT the same Lower Thirds Style. In NBTP6 and NBTP5 this was straightforward and I wasn't required to save over an exsisting Style or Project.

Have you seen my YouTube tutorials on this subject?

My channel name is Veteran Video Editor and my first tutorial was about title saving and Design Sharing.

Jack

Have you seen my YouTube tutorials on this subject?

@Jack S - No, no I hadn't. However, I'm taking time out to study the Saving Paradigms you describe. Thanks for the Link.

Have you seen my YouTube tutorials on this subject?

My channel name is Veteran Video Editor and my first tutorial was about title saving and Design Sharing.

Jack

@Jack S ,

Those are wonderful! Thank you so much for making these tutorials, I'm sure they're definitely going to prove helpful.

Marcus, thanks for your positive feedback.

Titler Pro 7 gets some bad press, mostly undeserved, in my opinion. These videos are my attempt to put this right.

@Jack S - Having now watched your Tutorial 1 you’ve identified exactly the frustration I’ve experienced. The shift in the Saving and Project Management paradigm is confusingly different to what has proceeded NBTP7.

Firstly, I commend you on your persistence in working-out just what has to happen, I could never had done what you’ve done and secondly making it abundantly clear to me that NB have taken a fundamental change/approach in working the VegasPro connectivity. I understand that this is to allow slicker and more responsive, reactive Previewing back in VP, I get it, I really do, and applaud NB in wishing to make this better. However, all of this has been, IMO, at the expense of the straightforward and “loose” way I used to work with NBTP6. And yes, for me, this new way is frustrating, and I certainly do not have your patience. I just want to make Titles in a fresh, creative and “loose” way and keep as much of the Project Management and Saving process out of my way.

I also note your own reaction, right at the very end of Tutorial 1, to having to get Naming of Shared and non-Shared titles correct. If I’ve learnt anything about NBTP, there will always be improvements, this is another good thing.

Again, @Jack S, thanks for taking time in producing your Video Tutorials. I look forward in viewing the remainder. Do you have one on “Names” and “Job Titles” Lower thirds, that take into account on-the-fly Names and JobTitle updating? In NBTP6 and before this was straightforward.

Grazie

Do you have one on “Names” and “Job Titles” Lower thirds, that take into account on-the-fly Names and JobTitle updating? In NBTP6 and before this was straightforward.

By this, do you mean the ability to create several titles, each with the same design, but able to display different text in the 'Job Title' and 'Names' elements? If you do, this is called Multi-title management and Titler Pro 7 is no different to Titler Pro 6 in this respect. If this is what you mean, I haven't done a video on it yet, but I intend to.

If this isn't what you mean, and I must admit, I'm not sure what you mean by 'on-the-fly' in this context, can you please clarify. 'On-the-fly' to me means updating in real time and that, I believe, is only possible with 'Titler Live'. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

Fundamentally, the only differences between TP6 and TP7 are:-

Title assets need to be saved manually (one time only)

The name 'Template' has changed to 'Design Sharing' in the multi-title management section

Text elements don't require declaring as variables in the Global tab if 'Variable text' is selected in the 'Add Text' drop-down list.

The 'Elastic Timeline' feature has been replaced with a 'Pause' point, which does the same job but in a different way (I have produced a YouTube video on this).

I really should look at upgrades to my NB plugins. Upgraded from vp12 to 16 this year after a very long wait and never got round to installing newblue. I didnt want to put the older versions I had before with my now super stable install and never got around to seeing what upgrades were available. Flash remover almost made me look as I had a video where the flash was actually a distraction.

Marcus Johnson please fix the issue of when i exit Titler 5 or 6 and Undo an action it affects Titler and undos what i did in the Titler. Also many times when i do this and reopen the project the title resets to the default one like when create a new title inside it and deletes my original title..

Marcus Johnson please fix the issue of when i exit Titler 5 or 6 and Undo an action it affects Titler and undos what i did in the Titler. Also many times when i do this and reopen the project the title resets to the default one like when create a new title inside it and deletes my original title..

Hi @arthur7 ,

Just to make sure I understand, you're talking about Vegas's Undo function? Are you using Undo immediately after exiting Titler, or have you performed other actions in Vegas after exiting Titler but before using Undo?

@Jack S ,

Thank you again for making these videos, they're a great help and you're doing a good service for the Vegas commmunity.

@Grazie ,

Can you please explain what you mean when you say "on-the-fly Names and JobTitle updating?" What were you doing in Titler Pro 6 that is now different in Titler Pro 7?

@newblue-mj - Yes, of course.

Simple Titles: I could just open NBTP6, start developing a Title, I didn’t need to create an empty Title first, then and move on. I understand I’m now required to Start with an empty Title. Thanks @Jack S .

Lower Thirds Names and Jobs: Using NBTP6 I could just start with a Title on the Vegas T/L, open NBTP and choose from my any existing Styles in NBTP6 one of my previous Styles and Change “Name” and “Job Title”. And that’s what I mean On-The-Fly. Is this what happens in NBTP7?

Grazie

Simple titles: Nothing has changed here. As soon as you pull the NewBlueFX generated media onto the timeline, TP7 opens up and contains the default title (unless, of course, you have defined your own default title - tutorial coming soon). From this title you can either forget about it and open an existing title from the library (your own design or a built-in one) or modify this title with your own saved styles, etc from the library.

Lower Thirds Names and Jobs: Again, nothing has changed. The default title (unless you've changed it) contains two text elements. Simply re-arrange these elements the way you want, apply the styles that you want. Highlight one element then go to the Global tab for that element, come down to the Variable Settings section, tick the Text Variable check box and change the text in the associated box to your chosen variable name. For example, Job Title. Select the second text element and carry out the same procedure as above and call the Text Variable your second choice, for example Name. Go to the scene tab and you should see two variable names defined, one called Name and one called Job Title. You can now enter your names and job titles into these variable boxes for all your titles that have been shared with this one. Now each shared title will show your chosen Name and Job Title.

As I mentioned, this is virtually the same procedure as in TP6. There has been some minor changes, which I will explain in my video, but if you follow the procedure above you shouldn't go wrong.

I hope this helps.