I'll second that. The minute the programmers put in a "Are you sure?" then people will begin yelling about the program wasting their time with unnecessary clicks. I guess a solution would be to allow the user to turn off such messages, like Windows allows when you are about the throw something into the Trash Can (oops, the "Recycle Bin"-- gotta watch myself).

jbjones: Moller is a nutcase, and the skycar is a scheme designed to separate nontechnical investors from their wallets. I'm all in favor of invention (that's what I do for a living) but the inventor needs to be rooted in basic scientific principles. Take a look at the current book about the Wright brothers called "To Conquer the Air." They were dreamers, yes, but they were also brilliant engineers who practiced the Scientific Method to advance methodically in little steps. Moller's Skycar is based on the premise: "Imagine you have an engine that weighs 50 pounds, puts out 1,000 hp, uses just 1 liter of fuel an hour, and never breaks. With four such engines you can build this whizzy design." Well, duh.

Yes riredale,

But would you ride in one once you saw it fly? No mater how far fetched the technology seems, based on your current knowledge?

JBJones

Where would you park the thing?

Enter semi-serious mode...

I live in a town (Naperville, Il) where at least one, I forget, maybe there's two and I know the next town over Boilingbrook, has a subdivision where the houses don't have a two or three car garage, they are build right up alongside a little air strip so you can taxi up and put your plane away.

That's a bit much.

Well, getting back on topic I just wanted to say that I've learned to be very careful with Vegas' cancel render button. I've only accidentally canceled a render three times since I started using Vegas back in version 2.0. But thre times is plenty. Especially when it's been rendering for about four hours.

Usually I just try to keep the focus on something else while my computer is in a long render. Instant Message programs work good for that. Or like Chienworks said, notepad or solitair if you aren't internet connected.

I definitly can't see a major problem with haveing an "are you sure" box pop up. It's not one of those things I do 40 times a day.

JBJones

I'm frankly waiting for Skycar 2.0, where once you get out you just push a button and the whole car folds up into a single briefcase. I know it will do this because I once saw a Jetsons cartoon where George Jetson's car did it.

Please forgive my cyncism here, but it's a very long way from a high-schooler's doodle to a production machine, especially when that doodle shows an utter lack of knowledge of fundamental aerodynamic principles. Even aircraft based on those fundamental principles have a very tough road; I was one of the thousands of suckers who put down a couple of $400 deposits on Jim Bede's "BD-5," and that was an aircraft that really did fly. You saw the BD-5J (the jet-powered version) in one of the Roger Moore James Bond movies a while back. Remember? He flew sideways out of a hangar with closing doors.

This part of the thread is getting way off topic. But here we go anyway.

What I'm waiting for is antigravity.

http://www.gctspace.com/

Now this is what I would call "still in the doodle stages." But I hope they get a substantial grant somewhere along the way, because it sure would be cool.

They are basicly forming the theory off of a recent accidental possible discovery. Makes me want to go work for them to speed things up. But then, that might alter the course of the future. So I better not.

JBJones

Dude..., all you would have to do is land over there by 355 (just outside of Lombard) and then drive into Naperville.

You could land at O'Hare, but depending on the time of the day - getting to Naperville from O'Hare is a bitch!!

Personally - I would retrofit my car with a VTOL system and land on my roof!!

Yeah baby!!

But definately stay off of the Dan Ryan when the Sox are playing!!

Oh I no doubt think that vehicles that are road ready could take to flight. The flippin FAA wouldn't allow it any time soon (my guess). Bastards!!

Okay - if I can't get my car to fly anytime soon - how about the Flux capacitor? Then I could go back in time and produce all the hit songs before they became hits - and then The Beatles would have to pay me millions of dollars to sing "Yellow Submarine"!!!

:-)

I say let him go back to Premiere, then we won'y have to put up with his silly complaints all the time. Next thing you know he will be complaining because he accidentally kicked the power cord out of the wall during a render and wasn't gien any warning by Vegas before his computer shut down.

Jsnkc, that appears to be mostly a Mac problem ;)
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Wow,,, hmmmmm, Uh, I have rendered probably a thousand times and cant remember ever hitting cancel by mistake. Damn , I must be smarter than Ithought.... Nah

Do you guys remember 'Weasel' ? This may be his Red-headed step cousin.

Come on guys... so simple it gets to be a "can't see the the forest for the trees kind of thing'.

Just minimize the Vegas window and you can bump into the space bar all you want and it will still keep rendering. No need to do anything else.

To minimize any Window, click on the first little icon (what looks like a hyphen) in the extreme upper right hand corner. Just don't hit the "X"...

No need to open any other application. I'll add just because I sometimes wonder how elementary I got to get... if you are rendering something over night do as I suggested and turn off your monitor. That won't hurt anything.

Just a slight point, but you can't minimize the Vegas window by clicking the minimize button while it's rendering. The rendering dialog box is "application modal" which means that it won't relinquish focus back to the main Vegas window. You'll have to use the "show desktop" icon in the task bar.

Way off topic, but what the heck, this thread is silly from the get go.

I haven't been on the Ryan or the Ike either since I was driving along on the Ike (I-5) and had a near bowling ball size piece of concrete crash through my windshield. Yea, it was thrown on purpose off the overpass about at Western Ave. Right around the time M. L. King was killed. Good thing nobody else was in the car, it hit on the passenger side.

I can minimize while its rendering and click on the icon on the task bar to bring it back full screen. Probably depends on the version of Windows. I'm using XP Pro with all the Service Packs installed.

Interesting to see this thread up when i have come here to ask same question

I was rendering an 1.5 hours of footage (10hours on my p866) and at around 6 hours completed ym daughter reached up and touched the spacebar which canceled - yes i should have had the machine locked - but really this is a MASSIVE failing in Vegas as well - i cant think of any other software that i use that doesnt have a "do you really really want to do this" safety step before actually cancelling the render.

Maybe it could be an option so crazier users could leave it the way it is.

Addendum:

Well, I guess it's not as trivial an issue as some people on this thread think...

Also (BTW)-- I have in fact subsequently checked out the new "Premiere Pro." IMHO it still does not measure up to Vegas. I plan to continue to promote my "renagade" use of Vegas throughout my company.

Begbie: Chienworks and jbjones' work-arounds prevent this problem, i.e. open notepad and make sure it stays on top. Also: a nifty free utility by Thong Nguyen called "PowerMenu" will help it stay on top.

Chienworks: Thanks for helping to validate this as a reasonable "feature" to request. Your suggestion to make sure something else is open and "on top" such as notepad is something we've implemented here in the lab, and we've had no "accidental" cancels since. Thank you!

jbjones: Thanks for a similar suggestion.

Sr_C: You are right, hence, the edits to my original post.

Jsnkc: This is the only post I've ever made to this board, so "complaints all the time" does not apply. I also think this one "complaint" has been sufficently validated by others so as not to be considered "silly."

TheHappyFriar: You are right: I don't own Vegas. My company owns 50 copies, which I manage the use of.

TheHappyFriar: You are wrong: I not only use but also promote the use of Vegas throughout my company--which is mostly an Adobe shop (except my department).

TheHappyFriar: I have never had any inclination whatsoever to "make myself a victim" of anything--- even if this WERE a stupid question. (Obviously it isn't, or else the thread wouldn't have generated so many responses).

Marquat: I don't care whether or not anyone cares whether or not I use Premiere or Vegas. I was simply stating my opinion.

J_Mac: How did you know I was red-headed?


pbnyc

Gotta agree with Chienworks; it appears to be mostly a Mac problem ;)

"I don't feel like I'm operating the Mac so much as I'm just there sharing the Mac experience. And if I can do something useful while the Mac is willing, so much the better."

Oh man, what a gut buster! I will say though that this isn't so much a Mac problem as a "bells and whistles" problem. My favorite (or should i say most despicable) example is the software that came with my boss' digital camera for transfering the files. It looked COOL! After four hours of what seemed to be random and senseless clicking of these bizarre changing pictographs that looked more like mongolian lettering than anything else (and we were following the help screen to the letter, or we would have except that each time we clicked one of the dancing buttons, the next one we were supposed to click would go hide itself), we almost got one picture from the camera to the hard drive. Heaven forbid they should actually do something useful like ... ummm ... label the buttons on the screen! Oh my ... that would be just too awful. The user might actually be able to accomplish something then. Can't have that happening. Nope. Never a good thing to let the user be in charge.

Thank goodness that Vegas is still here to bring sanity to the world.

Haven't had time to read the countless replies to your initial message, but my suggestion is extremely simple:

Minimize Vegas and there won't be a "Cancel" button sitting there. Simple as that.

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I came in late and saw this has got to be the longest thread of the week. So what's one more opinion? What the heck=)

I just want to validate pbnyc's concern.

Hitting Cancel button while rendering is indeed too easy to do by accident. In fact, as soon as you render, the Cancel button is asking to be hit and would promptly cancel the rendering without delay. My belief is that, the price for this mistake is too high, when it could be avoided by a simple solution; yes, like integrating a confirmation dialog (which you can turn on or off.) So maybe SoFo can consider this issue in the next update?

If it were true (I'm not saying it isn't) that pbnyc is custodian of his company's Vegas softwares then he is just one step short of a being a Vegas evangelist and I think some of you guys should apologize for misunderstanding his intentions. That gesture would not detract from our manhood, or hurt Vegas sales would it?

Now don't attack me. That's just a thought. Just a thought.

Best regards!