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pbnyc wrote on 9/17/2003, 12:44 AM
I would have no problem with the confirmation dialog in this case defaulting to "No," i.e. "No, I don't want to cancel [rendering]" because (I like the way XPUser2003 put it) "the price for this mistake is too high."

Mind you, now that I've learned to keep something else on top (or to minimize) this can't really happen to me ever again, but, in a sense, the damage is already done. I can never have the hours back I lost in the two times this happen (once to me and once to someone else in my group).

As an aside:

Thanks also, XPUser2003, for wanting to potentially forgive the "blasphemy" in my original post. I don't think I'd go so far as to say I am a Vegas "evangelist," but I am an advocate---that's for sure. (In one sense I am betting my job on it...) Whereas most of my colleagues use Premiere, admittedly, there is also a small Final Cut Pro/Mac enclave.

The thing that most Adobe advocates in my company constantly fall back on is their large investment in Premiere compatible plug-ins that they assume (as do I) they would mostly have to give up if they switched to Vegas. Mind you, Vegas has a lot of built-in stuff, but I don't see the number of plug-ins available for it that I do for Premiere. The other aspect that the Premiere advocates tout is interoperability with other Adobe apps---especially Illustrator and Photoshop. My come back is always, "Vegas handles PSD files beautifully, what more do you really want or need." They hem-haw and start taking about vectors and Illustrator, etc. Well, I guess they do have a point if they really do need that kind of interoperability. I guess they could argue that I'm "missing out," but I don't see very clearly what they are able to do with the aggregate of Adobe apps that we can't do with Vegas and those same Adobe apps.

The other aspect to it is that Adobe's New York headquarters are across the street, and there is a certain amount of cross-pollination that has occurred over the years. I'm not sure how SOFO can compete with that except to continue to keep the proof in the pudding, i.e. that Vegas is superior by continuing to churn out a better product.

Then again, Sony Center is only 5 blocks away...<g>

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So how about it SOFO?? Vegas v4.2 with a confirmation dialog in the context of the rendering cancel command---perhaps defaulting to "No" and v5.0 having a preferences option to turn-off the confirm?
SonyEPM wrote on 9/17/2003, 8:35 AM
Try this:

1) Open notepad

2) Copy/paste these next two lines into notepad:

import System.Windows.Forms;

MessageBox.Show("Do not cancel")

3) Save to desktop as "Do Not Cancel.js"

4) In Vegas, go to customize toolbar and add "set script 1 (Ctrl+shift+1)" to the current toolbar buttons list.

5) Assign the "Do Not Cancel.js" script to this new toolbar button.

6) Feel free to push this new toolbar button at any time.

jeffy82 wrote on 9/17/2003, 11:15 AM
YEA!!! SonicFoundry to the Rescue!!

SonyEPM wrote on 9/17/2003, 3:55 PM
Sorry, I forgot to mention #7:

7) This script doesn't actually do anything.
pete_h wrote on 9/17/2003, 6:29 PM
You people are nuts! This is one of the more entertaining threads I've seen!
pbnyc wrote on 9/19/2003, 1:25 PM
How do I run the script when Vegas is minimized?
jetdv wrote on 9/19/2003, 1:36 PM
The script cannot be run while the Render As box is on the screen. Likewise, the Render As box cannot be brought up if the script is running. If you render FROM a script, the box would not be brought up.

However, I see a VERY simple answer: As soon as the rendering box appears, press TAB. This will change the focus to the "close box after rendering" checkbox instead of the "cancel" button.
SonyEPM wrote on 9/19/2003, 1:40 PM
PBnyc- the script thing isn't going to help you at all. We'll add your suggestion to our wish list, no promises if or when your request will be implemented. As always though, thanks for the ideas- keep 'em coming.
pbnyc wrote on 10/4/2003, 8:42 PM
Jetdv-

Thanks for the suggestion, but when I'm rendering, there is no "close box after rendering" checkbox. The only options are grayed out, and they are "open" and "open folder." Also, the TAB key has no effect on my system when the focus is on Vegas while rendering.

Perhaps this is an operating system dependent thing. I'm using Windows 2000.

pbnyc
pbnyc wrote on 10/4/2003, 8:44 PM
Thanks SonyEPM! No promises necessary--just trying to prevent any future frustration with an otherwise excellent application.

pbnyc
jetdv wrote on 10/4/2003, 9:45 PM
I tested on Win2K as well. When rendering was started the box opened up with "Cancel" highlighted but, by pressing TAB, it changed focus to a "close when completed" checkbox. This was also tested on Vegas 4.0d - if that makes a difference.
pbnyc wrote on 10/21/2003, 10:47 PM
I stand corrected. I tried this again and noticed that the focus does in fact change upon tabbing once to the "close" instead of the default "canel" checkbox.

Jetdv: you win the prize for the best solution offered.

Honestly, Sony, you don't have to bother now if you can make more significant enhancements to the program as opposed to spending time and energy on this issue.

On the other hand, if you could default to the "close" checkbox at the begining of a rendering instead of "cancel," that would solve the issue for newbies and shouldn't require significant modification of the program code.
kdenninger wrote on 10/31/2003, 8:32 PM
Minimize the window.
ZippyGaloo wrote on 10/31/2003, 9:03 PM
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BillyBoy wrote on 10/31/2003, 9:18 PM
Zippy, you can ACCIDENTLY do anything. That's why they're called accidents.

You could accidently turn off the power to your computer from a wall switch. You can accidently delete a track or event and not notice or do any one of dozens of other things you can do. No software is foolproof in the sense it can't protect the user from doing dumb things.

Much of what you complain about are accidents. Accidents you cause, but blame the software for. I guess its just your nature to do so.

ZippyGaloo wrote on 11/1/2003, 2:15 AM
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PhilHemel wrote on 11/1/2003, 2:31 AM
So a simple request for a cancel-confirmation dialogue spawns a zillion replies... haven't you guys got some EDITING to do or something? (o:

I think it's a fair enough request. The enter key IS used by other applications Billy, and if you haven't got the luxury of a dedicated rendering PC...
BillyBoy wrote on 11/1/2003, 10:40 AM
Zippy, as usual, you don't get it. I can accept when I make a mistake. Its being human. You prefer to blame something else for your doing something dumb.

As I said way up in this thread Vegas probably doesn't pop a confirmation box as some applications do because the very nature of video editing involves a lot of pruning. If you had to go through a confirmaiton every time you did something like delete, it would get annoying fast.

Now as far as 'accidentially' hitting the keyboard. I have this big loveable dog that every so often pops in my office and if I ignore him he more than likely will first nudge me with his head. If that don't result in a pat on his head or some other acknowledgement he's sayingf hi, he's been known to produce a low half whine, half grumbling sound usually followed by him slapping one of his big paws which sometimes hits the keyboard. Oops.
PhilHemel wrote on 11/1/2003, 11:28 AM
errr... OK.... so how about OPTIONAL confirmations? surely that's what the 'Options > Preferences' is for?
BillyBoy wrote on 11/1/2003, 12:09 PM
I just reread the whole thread. Yes, it got pretty silly. Again as I'm writing this I'm rendering. I first shrunk down the Vegas window so its sitting on the task bar. No matter why I do, banging constantly on the enter key or space bar, anything short of pulling the plug out of the wall Vegas is STILL rendering. I can't accidently stop it! The logical reason is because Vegas doesn't have the focus, right now Windows Explorer Browser does, since I'm writing this...

I'm using Windows XP Pro. If or not that makes any difference I don't know. It does illustrate a point. We sometimes talk at each other rather than to each other. Meaning just because something goes bump for you doesn't always mean it goes bump for everyone else.
J_Mac wrote on 11/1/2003, 1:22 PM
Cover the lower left corner of the rendering dialog box, which contains the offending highlighted 'Cancel' button, with the undocked preview window. The preview window then becomes the selected app. John
vitalforces wrote on 11/1/2003, 1:23 PM
This thread is amazing. I never realized Martin Luther King tried to kill BillyBoy with a chunk of concrete. Too bad he didn't have a "cancel" button on the steering wheel ;)

(Love to all the brothers/sisters. Sitting at my office on a Saturday with a ton of work to do, couldn't resist. Back to work now.)