megabit wrote on 5/3/2016, 9:20 AM


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Len Kaufman wrote on 5/3/2016, 1:12 PM
Signed, but lacking optimism that the petition will make it happen. 500 doesn't sound like many. Does anyone have any idea how many Vegas users there are out there? I doubt that even Sony knows.
videoITguy wrote on 5/3/2016, 1:45 PM
As testimony about petition effectiveness - I can assure you all it will do NOTHING!

My recent experience was with an issue for a company worth billions of dollars worldwide and a software presence issue for customers. We orchestrated a petition for the company to focus in a new direction.

At first there were a few thousand signatures, but the petition ultimately reached a half million customers and guess what?
The company just said no way would they implement change and they won! NO CHANGE- I gather they lost nearly 50 thousand or more customers due to this fight over their intended direction forward, but they had no concern!!!!
DGates wrote on 5/3/2016, 2:01 PM
"...Does anyone have any idea how many Vegas users there are out there? I doubt that even Sony knows..."

Sony knows. And that's probably why they are ramping down Vegas. There just isn't enough revenue coming in from those purchasing the software.

I love editing with Vegas. But I think it's relevance peaked 8-10 years ago if we're being honest. Back then, it really was better than Premiere.

There are now plenty of decent NLE choices out there since Vegas entered the game. For straight cuts and limited FX, some are even free or included with other software. It's hard for Sony to keep staffing programmers when demand just isn't there.
VidMus wrote on 5/3/2016, 3:09 PM
"Back then, it really was better than Premiere."

Still is as far as I am concerned!
Widetrack wrote on 5/3/2016, 4:15 PM
Kinvermark wrote on 5/3/2016, 4:38 PM

Non Sequitur.

...but you are still entitled to your opinion :)
videoITguy wrote on 5/3/2016, 5:18 PM
re: Reply by: Kinvermark - Date: 5/3/2016 2:38:16 PM

My example from real world is a whole lot more parallel and directly comparable to the current situation with petition to SCS. Because of various public sensitivities, I am not going to divulge the exact details in this forum, it is not necessary to do so.

Take a look at the petition count - half a million signatures worldwide, and company directly incurred loss of over 50,000 customers without even blinking!

Don't waste your time!
Chienworks wrote on 5/3/2016, 6:42 PM
Although, we can presume that 50,000 is a much larger percentage of the Vegas userbase than of that other company.

Still though, i can't imagine SCS is even going to lift an eyebrow at a petition. I think a lot of activists forget that no one is compelled to pay attention to a petition in any venue. They may choose to ignore it at their own peril (in very rare cases), but it's still their prerogative to do so. It's sales figures that matter.

This summer i'll be rebuilding my desktop workstation and will most likely be running Win7, so i'll pick up a Vegas 13 Pro license to go with it. That will probably speak more volumes than any petition, and yet being a single sale will go nearly unnoticed.
Hulk wrote on 5/3/2016, 8:56 PM
Star Trek TOG received a 3rd season because of a petition. While not the strongest season I for one am sure glad I have those reruns to watch (and quote) now and then. "Brain and brain, what is brain?"
JohnnyRoy wrote on 5/3/2016, 11:09 PM
> "This summer i'll be rebuilding my desktop workstation and will most likely be running Win7, so i'll pick up a Vegas 13 Pro license to go with it. That will probably speak more volumes than any petition, and yet being a single sale will go nearly unnoticed."


If we extrapolate from what Kelly is saying I would venture to guess that if everyone who signed the petition and didn't have Vegas Pro 13.0 yet would instead upgrade to Vegas Pro 13.0, that act would speak much louder to Sony than any petition. (i.e., the sudden spike in sales might get noticed)

A petition doesn't pay developer salaries or increase stockholder equity... sales do! ;-)

Grazie wrote on 5/4/2016, 12:55 AM
So, John, it's purely the existence of the Petition that could have the all important effect of turnover? Who'd have thought!

I've been reading the comments left by our Community. Very powerful medicine, if SCS chooses to use.

The only bad publicity is no publicity?

set wrote on 5/4/2016, 2:33 AM
Well, at minimum, the updates should be the AVC encoding GPU card database update... to ensure they keep working with latest modern GPU cards, if database update is 'easy' by just adding the video card list...

That is according to this info, and by someone who replied my similar question about GPU upgrade on other forum regarding to Resolve's requirement:
The R9 380x is not new as it's a rebranded 280x which is a rebranded 7970 ghz. They are all the same tech from 2011. I use a bunch of these 7950 and 7970 in my X58 (which is yours), X79, X99, Z77 systems. I don't think I'd invest in an R9 380x now though. It depends how much it'll cost you. I upgraded to a 290x I found cheap. There are plenty of used 7970 and 280x on the market for less and 3GB is still fine for HD (for me who doesn't use a lot of nodes). I'd skip anything R7. Just so you know for Vegas, I think the last fastest supported card for was a 6970 and anything newer isn't necessarily better or is worst.

Grazie: The only bad publicity is no publicity?
hmmm, sharing this forum's link to public or other forum?
Grazie wrote on 5/4/2016, 2:53 AM
Set, your rhetorical question has lost me. Please explain.

i am erikd wrote on 5/4/2016, 7:20 AM
One more name added but this all reminds me of my still fond memories for Discreet *Edit 6.5. More real time playback 10 years ago than I get today.

VidMus wrote on 5/4/2016, 8:00 AM
@ JohnnyRoy

If my memory were not so foggy, I would list the benefits of Vegas Pro 13.0 vs. the previous versions. I am taking advantage of them often. I know that there is no way I would go back to any earlier version.

Kinvermark wrote on 5/4/2016, 11:24 AM
The petition is already doing its job - it is creating some buzz, getting people exchanging ideas and points of view.

The idea isn't to force change, it is merely to rock the boat enough to get the attention of someone who may be able to force change.

Personally, I think the most likely outcome will be status quo - minimal development, but products will still be offered for sale (like Acid Pro). This for me is the WORST outcome. The best (again just my opinion) would be for someone else to buy the software rights.

i am erikd wrote on 5/5/2016, 9:32 AM
Version 13 finally sorted out the Closed Captioning for the most part. Important for me.
OldSmoke wrote on 5/5/2016, 11:07 AM
[I]The difference of PCIE 3 vs 2 isn't that important. You are still better off with 2 GPUs x8 2.0 than 1 x16 3.0.[/I]

Who ever said that doesn't know what he/she is talking about. Keep in mind, that the only part that isn't supported with newer AMD GPU's is the final rendering when using SONY AVC or MC AVC with GPU acceleration. Timeline performance and any other OpenCL plugin are very well supported and the difference is huge compared to the older HD6970. Also, if you use the Vegas2Handbrake method the faster GPU will help here too is basically "rendering" from the timeline directly which again is using OpenCL which is fully supported by newer AMD GPUs.
Nvidia... totally different story.

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Aiki wrote on 5/5/2016, 11:07 AM
I am a former user Edit 6.0 and I moved to Vegas Pro. Over the years I have worked on Adobe Premiere, Final Cut 7.0. Nothing equivalent with Vegas Pro. Speed, audio mix in the same software. Vegas really a secret.

Je suis un ancien utilisateur de Edit 6.0 et j'ai changé pour Vegas Pro. Au cours des années j'ai travaillé sur Adobe Premiere, Final Cut 7.0. Rien d'équivalant avec Vegas Pro. Rapidité, mix audio dans le même logiciel. Vraiment Vegas un secret bien gardé.
Chienworks wrote on 5/6/2016, 7:17 PM
"Star Trek TOS received a 3rd season because of a petition."

Since the life blood of commercial TV depends on convincing advertisers that there will be eyeballs plastered to the screen, in this case the petition pretty much directly equated to more sales.
Erni wrote on 5/6/2016, 9:32 PM
Signed! We need support the best tool!
Rednroll2K wrote on 5/7/2016, 10:26 AM
Hindsight 20/20 it's really unfortunate that SMS decided to turn a cold shoulder and abandon their Pro Audio customers both on the Acid and Vegas developments. Those frequent requests from the pro Audio fan base of implementing Acid looping and Midi features into Vegas could have gone a long way in maintaining the more audio focused Vegas customers.

Imagine the additional sales Vegas would have had if it would have been able to maintain the majority of its audio users in addition to the more video focused customers. It sounds like to me that their change in focus brought them to this point of the downward sales trend.

The original innovative products (Sound Forge, Vegas Pro and Acid Pro) were conceptualized and developed by "Sonic" Foundry. It seems pretty apparent that when Sony took over, they placed a focus on abandoning their core customer base that made those products a success. They chased the bright shiny object of increased sales by focusing on the linear video editing development of Vegas which was smart to broaden the customer base of that product. However, there is no denying at this point they also at the same time abandoned their original customer base both on the Acid and Vegas developments. Now that the bright shiny object has started to lose its glimmer maybe SMS is able to realize and admit that having those additional audio based customers around and purchasing their products would be a nice luxury to increase those sales at this point.

They lacked foresight in properly managing products that were once pioneers and innovative. It's sad to see Vegas die, just the same as it was sad to see Acid die. The customers are not to blame for the decline in sales. SMS's lack of foresight and carelessly abandoning a core customer base is to blame.

The result is a dead Acid, and soon to be dead Vegas and a continued downward trend of sales.
Chienworks wrote on 5/7/2016, 11:10 AM
Rednroll!!!!!!!!!!!! Wooooooooo long time no see. Glad to have you back!