Moving events in the storyboard

Stivi wrote on 6/10/2019, 6:21 AM

Hello everyone,
I never used the storyboard ... it's never too late.
A small problem (or bug?):
When I move a media in the storyboard and if I have no transitions, everything is fine.
But, if I move a media on a media with transition, then a hole appears on the timeline as on the attached video.

The moved media overlaps the original media from the end of its transition.


Do you have the same problem ?

 

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  • PC Windows 10 Famille ‎(X64)‎ Version 1903
  • Intel Core i7 7700K 8 Processeurs Cadencé à 4.20 GHz
  • 32 Go de mémoire totale DDR4 G.SKILL
  • NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti (NVIDIA Studio Drivers 431.86)
  • SSD 500 Go + 2 x 2 To HDD + BD/RE
  • Vegas Pro 16 Suite (build 424)
  • SoundForge Audio Studio 10 (build 252)
  • ACID Music Studio 10 (build 162)
  • Vidéo : Sony FDR-AXP33 (4K) => 25p => 60 Mbps => XAVC S 4K
  • Photo : Canon SX 60 HS + Sony RX 100 IV

Avant Végas Pro 16 :

  • Pinnacle Studio 10 (super en SD), 14 HD (super en SD mais nul en HD), 17 (crash à répétition)
  • Adobe Première 9 (1 crash en 1 an mais 1 mois de montage perdu, toutes les sauvegardes HS)
  • Magix Video Deluxe 2014 (trop de menus, sous-menu, sous-sous-menu)
  • Sony Movie Studio 13 (le début du bonheur), Sony Végas Pro 13, Végas Pro 14

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Stivi wrote on 6/16/2019, 8:20 AM

Hello,

Am I the only one in this situation ? Or am I the only one trying to use the storyboard ?

Would I have forgotten to check something somewhere ?

Magix support is silent on this problem for the moment !

Have a good day

  • PC Windows 10 Famille ‎(X64)‎ Version 1903
  • Intel Core i7 7700K 8 Processeurs Cadencé à 4.20 GHz
  • 32 Go de mémoire totale DDR4 G.SKILL
  • NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti (NVIDIA Studio Drivers 431.86)
  • SSD 500 Go + 2 x 2 To HDD + BD/RE
  • Vegas Pro 16 Suite (build 424)
  • SoundForge Audio Studio 10 (build 252)
  • ACID Music Studio 10 (build 162)
  • Vidéo : Sony FDR-AXP33 (4K) => 25p => 60 Mbps => XAVC S 4K
  • Photo : Canon SX 60 HS + Sony RX 100 IV

Avant Végas Pro 16 :

  • Pinnacle Studio 10 (super en SD), 14 HD (super en SD mais nul en HD), 17 (crash à répétition)
  • Adobe Première 9 (1 crash en 1 an mais 1 mois de montage perdu, toutes les sauvegardes HS)
  • Magix Video Deluxe 2014 (trop de menus, sous-menu, sous-sous-menu)
  • Sony Movie Studio 13 (le début du bonheur), Sony Végas Pro 13, Végas Pro 14
Kinvermark wrote on 6/16/2019, 8:37 AM

Appears that you are not on the latest build. Need to be on build 424. When you make an edit on the main timeline, Vegas' storyboard window should turn red and you will be asked if you want to update the storyboard.

 

FWIW, My advice is not to work "interactively" this way, but to use storyboard to rough-out your timeline and order of clips, then "fine tune" on the normal editing timeline.

This works really well for me:

1) Organize clips, etc by "topic" bins (eg "intro")

2) Drag "topic" bin to storyboard bin area to create a named unassociated storyboard (eg "intro)

3) Order clips in the storyboard as you like

4) Move through the storyboard using the trimmer to "hover cut" in/out points and the press "A" key to add to the main timeline.

5) Fine tune, add titles, etc in the normal editing timeline.

 

Stivi wrote on 6/16/2019, 9:01 AM

@Kinvermark

Thank you for your answer.

My configuration is in my signature and I have the last build of VP, NV, W10.

Before trying to use the storyboard, I worked as you.

But I had a media to move and I just wanted to try to do it from the storyboard.

Several years ago (2006 if I have good memory), I dit it well with Pinnacle and I thought it would be nice if Vegas could do it as well, now.

😥

 

  • PC Windows 10 Famille ‎(X64)‎ Version 1903
  • Intel Core i7 7700K 8 Processeurs Cadencé à 4.20 GHz
  • 32 Go de mémoire totale DDR4 G.SKILL
  • NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti (NVIDIA Studio Drivers 431.86)
  • SSD 500 Go + 2 x 2 To HDD + BD/RE
  • Vegas Pro 16 Suite (build 424)
  • SoundForge Audio Studio 10 (build 252)
  • ACID Music Studio 10 (build 162)
  • Vidéo : Sony FDR-AXP33 (4K) => 25p => 60 Mbps => XAVC S 4K
  • Photo : Canon SX 60 HS + Sony RX 100 IV

Avant Végas Pro 16 :

  • Pinnacle Studio 10 (super en SD), 14 HD (super en SD mais nul en HD), 17 (crash à répétition)
  • Adobe Première 9 (1 crash en 1 an mais 1 mois de montage perdu, toutes les sauvegardes HS)
  • Magix Video Deluxe 2014 (trop de menus, sous-menu, sous-sous-menu)
  • Sony Movie Studio 13 (le début du bonheur), Sony Végas Pro 13, Végas Pro 14
Kinvermark wrote on 6/16/2019, 11:14 AM

@Stivi

You're welcome.

I tried to recreate the problem, but seems to work fine here. Needs some more investigation. To early to say, but might be a bug.

I can't tell from your video what you are doing to the one edit point. Are you just trimming? Maybe try with ripple on or off?

(BTW if you right click and drag an event you can shuffle them on the timeline.)

 

Stivi wrote on 6/16/2019, 11:53 AM

@Kinvermark

At first, the media touch each other and I move one media and all is fine.
Then, on the timeline, I move the média over the previous media as if I was doing a crossfade, and then, in the storyboard, I move a media over this one. I could have done a crossfade directly

I tried with crossfade automatic or not with an almost identical result, the two media also overlap, but then it's a crossfade. 

I usually do everything from the timeline but I wanted to test the storyboard

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  • PC Windows 10 Famille ‎(X64)‎ Version 1903
  • Intel Core i7 7700K 8 Processeurs Cadencé à 4.20 GHz
  • 32 Go de mémoire totale DDR4 G.SKILL
  • NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti (NVIDIA Studio Drivers 431.86)
  • SSD 500 Go + 2 x 2 To HDD + BD/RE
  • Vegas Pro 16 Suite (build 424)
  • SoundForge Audio Studio 10 (build 252)
  • ACID Music Studio 10 (build 162)
  • Vidéo : Sony FDR-AXP33 (4K) => 25p => 60 Mbps => XAVC S 4K
  • Photo : Canon SX 60 HS + Sony RX 100 IV

Avant Végas Pro 16 :

  • Pinnacle Studio 10 (super en SD), 14 HD (super en SD mais nul en HD), 17 (crash à répétition)
  • Adobe Première 9 (1 crash en 1 an mais 1 mois de montage perdu, toutes les sauvegardes HS)
  • Magix Video Deluxe 2014 (trop de menus, sous-menu, sous-sous-menu)
  • Sony Movie Studio 13 (le début du bonheur), Sony Végas Pro 13, Végas Pro 14
Stivi wrote on 6/16/2019, 3:45 PM

Excuse me if I have not been clear enough; English is not my native language and I hope it is not too literary.

I will try to recap if necessary :

I put several media (5 for example) on the timeline directly or through the storyboard.
Until then everything is working well.

From the timeline, I'm doing a 1-second crossfade between the "1" and "2" media.

In the storyboard, I move the media "5" so that it comes between "1" and "2"

I expect that :
* Media "5" comes to be positioned in the place occupied by the media "2" and that the crossfade is now between "1" and "5",
* Media "2" is moved fully (including the 1-second portion of the previous crossfade) to the right.

Whether automatic crossfade is enabled or not,
whether alignment is enabled or not,
automatic readjustment or not,
media "5" is superimposed on media "2" from the end of the media "1" and thus at the end of the crossfade.
Oddly enough, the following media (3 and 4 in this example) are correctly moved from the right duration to the right leaving a gap before them.

The storyboard would not like crossfades ?

Unless I forgot something somewhere ?

  • PC Windows 10 Famille ‎(X64)‎ Version 1903
  • Intel Core i7 7700K 8 Processeurs Cadencé à 4.20 GHz
  • 32 Go de mémoire totale DDR4 G.SKILL
  • NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti (NVIDIA Studio Drivers 431.86)
  • SSD 500 Go + 2 x 2 To HDD + BD/RE
  • Vegas Pro 16 Suite (build 424)
  • SoundForge Audio Studio 10 (build 252)
  • ACID Music Studio 10 (build 162)
  • Vidéo : Sony FDR-AXP33 (4K) => 25p => 60 Mbps => XAVC S 4K
  • Photo : Canon SX 60 HS + Sony RX 100 IV

Avant Végas Pro 16 :

  • Pinnacle Studio 10 (super en SD), 14 HD (super en SD mais nul en HD), 17 (crash à répétition)
  • Adobe Première 9 (1 crash en 1 an mais 1 mois de montage perdu, toutes les sauvegardes HS)
  • Magix Video Deluxe 2014 (trop de menus, sous-menu, sous-sous-menu)
  • Sony Movie Studio 13 (le début du bonheur), Sony Végas Pro 13, Végas Pro 14
Stivi wrote on 7/1/2019, 11:35 AM

Hello,

Here is the latest Magix Support response while waiting for the next update that should fix this bug, I hope ...

This is now logged as a known issue to be resolved in a future application update or version.  Thank you for reporting this issue. 

To follow...

  • PC Windows 10 Famille ‎(X64)‎ Version 1903
  • Intel Core i7 7700K 8 Processeurs Cadencé à 4.20 GHz
  • 32 Go de mémoire totale DDR4 G.SKILL
  • NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti (NVIDIA Studio Drivers 431.86)
  • SSD 500 Go + 2 x 2 To HDD + BD/RE
  • Vegas Pro 16 Suite (build 424)
  • SoundForge Audio Studio 10 (build 252)
  • ACID Music Studio 10 (build 162)
  • Vidéo : Sony FDR-AXP33 (4K) => 25p => 60 Mbps => XAVC S 4K
  • Photo : Canon SX 60 HS + Sony RX 100 IV

Avant Végas Pro 16 :

  • Pinnacle Studio 10 (super en SD), 14 HD (super en SD mais nul en HD), 17 (crash à répétition)
  • Adobe Première 9 (1 crash en 1 an mais 1 mois de montage perdu, toutes les sauvegardes HS)
  • Magix Video Deluxe 2014 (trop de menus, sous-menu, sous-sous-menu)
  • Sony Movie Studio 13 (le début du bonheur), Sony Végas Pro 13, Végas Pro 14
Stivi wrote on 7/2/2019, 11:26 AM

@Nick Hope

 

Hello,
I think you have a lot of other things to worry about, but is it your turn to add this issue checked by Magix Support?
Maybe it would be interesting to add this bug in

Known Issues in the Latest Version of VEGAS Pro ?

Best regards

  • PC Windows 10 Famille ‎(X64)‎ Version 1903
  • Intel Core i7 7700K 8 Processeurs Cadencé à 4.20 GHz
  • 32 Go de mémoire totale DDR4 G.SKILL
  • NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti (NVIDIA Studio Drivers 431.86)
  • SSD 500 Go + 2 x 2 To HDD + BD/RE
  • Vegas Pro 16 Suite (build 424)
  • SoundForge Audio Studio 10 (build 252)
  • ACID Music Studio 10 (build 162)
  • Vidéo : Sony FDR-AXP33 (4K) => 25p => 60 Mbps => XAVC S 4K
  • Photo : Canon SX 60 HS + Sony RX 100 IV

Avant Végas Pro 16 :

  • Pinnacle Studio 10 (super en SD), 14 HD (super en SD mais nul en HD), 17 (crash à répétition)
  • Adobe Première 9 (1 crash en 1 an mais 1 mois de montage perdu, toutes les sauvegardes HS)
  • Magix Video Deluxe 2014 (trop de menus, sous-menu, sous-sous-menu)
  • Sony Movie Studio 13 (le début du bonheur), Sony Végas Pro 13, Végas Pro 14
Nick Hope wrote on 7/2/2019, 1:22 PM

@Nick Hope

 

Hello,
I think you have a lot of other things to worry about, but is it your turn to add this issue checked by Magix Support?
Maybe it would be interesting to add this bug in

 

Known Issues in the Latest Version of VEGAS Pro ?

Best regards

Done. "[VP16+] An event with a leading transition does not shift to the right when another event is dragged immediately before it using the storyboard."