NAB 2016 - No Sony Creative Software Showing???

cliff_622 wrote on 4/20/2016, 10:56 AM
I was at NAB on Monday looking for any Sony Creative Software employees at all.

I did find two very nice (white shirt) "junior" Sony ladies with one PC installed with Catalyst. Although they were VERY nice and friendly. One knew very little about Vegas and the other had never even heard of Vegas until just "two days ago". Neither one of them knew why there were no Sony Creative Software employees or demonstrations there at the show.

I decided to ask a few of the "senior" Sony guys that I know. I got that same story, they had no idea why there was no SCS presence or real disply. The odd thing is that non of them even wanted to discuss the topic at all! I got the feeling it was a "hot potato" issue that nobody wanted to be caught discussing in the open floor.

WTF is going on here? In all the NAB's since Sony took over SCS, I have never seen them shy away from talking about SCS like this. What's happening behind the scenes?

Anybody else see that too at Sony's NAB booth?

Really strange,.......

I'm just guessing here but,....is there any chance that SCS is up for sale to another company? Again, I'm only throwing out a wild guess that could be completely 100% false.

Just wondering out loud.....

CT

Comments

OldSmoke wrote on 4/20/2016, 11:10 AM
I'm just guessing here but,....is there any chance that SCS is up for sale to another company?

Would make sense. Good guess.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: Intel DX79SR
Ram: G.Skill 8x4GB DDR3 2133 (running at 1600 and lower latency)
CPU: 3930K @ 4.3GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x ASUS Fury-X
Hard drives: 4x 2GB WD Red in RAID 5 (with Hot Spare), 2x Crucial 256GB SSD in RAID 0 (mulitcam project drive), 1x Samsung 850 Pro 256GB SSD (System), 1x Crucial 64GB SSD (temp files and swap file), 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner
PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM, 1x Sony HDTV 32" preview monitor

monoparadox wrote on 4/20/2016, 11:26 AM
Considering a new update to Catalyst Suite was just launched it makes little sense there would be no presence at NAB. Where is Rebholz? If one considers the Catalyst forum exists on another site, it seems there is one slow wind down to SCS taking place. Don't be surprised when the lights go out here.

-- tom
monoparadox wrote on 4/20/2016, 12:06 PM
A little more anecdotal evidence. "TravisSCS" who seemed to be the forum leader and was quite active over on the Catalyst forum hasn't even logged in since mid-February. Does SCS even exist anymore?

-- tom
Hulk wrote on 4/20/2016, 12:15 PM
We should start writing our tearful farewells now I think. Things are just too quiet and weird.

It has been a great ride for me. I first started using Vegas 2 Audio. Then after doing a Ulead beta with DSE and some other Ulead/Sony work he demonstrated how much better Vegas Video 3 was over MediaStudio Pro. 15 or so happy years later I'm on version 12.

Thanks to everybody in this forum who has responded to my queries, idiotic comments, or other untoward remarks. Hopefully I've had an overall positive effect on the forum.

May your previews be real time and your renders be flawless and fast.

- Mark
DavidMcKnight wrote on 4/20/2016, 3:48 PM
Sony's cluelessness about SCS at NAB could just be the long-standing issue where none of the Sony branches ever knew (much) about SCS, even to the point of Sony video cameras including Adobe Premiere software.
VMP wrote on 4/20/2016, 6:53 PM
That looks bad!

This makes one more thankful that the admin made this thread for us in their difficult situation.

VMP
John_Cline wrote on 4/20/2016, 7:00 PM
All indications are that Vegas development has essentially stopped. I have Premiere, Avid Media Composer and have been playing with DaVinci Resolve, I'm not thrilled with any of them. Fortunately, It's not like if SCS goes belly-up that Vegas will suddenly stop working, Vegas 13 is working well and I will continue to use it on a daily basis until I'm forced to move to something else.
risce1 wrote on 4/20/2016, 7:36 PM
ditto Mr. Cline.
a real shame, nothing I use cuts as quick and efficient as Vegas
Geoff_Wood wrote on 4/20/2016, 8:17 PM
"I'm just guessing here but,....is there any chance that SCS is up for sale to another company? Again, I'm only throwing out a wild guess that could be completely 100% false."

... to Sonic Foundry ? Turtle Beach ? Hallsound ;-) ? Or maybe to one of the innovative audio-software houses they have been involved with - Izotope maybe ?

geoff
VMP wrote on 4/20/2016, 8:24 PM


'Izotope Vegas Pro 14' that doesn't sound great :-D
'Hallsound Vegas Pro 14'' sounds like a new speaker system.


I remember back in the Sonic foundry days when I told people that I used an editing software by 'Sonic' they all thought that I meant 'Sony' Later that became reality.

VMP
ushere wrote on 4/20/2016, 8:31 PM
avid vegas - for those aspiring....
OldSmoke wrote on 4/20/2016, 9:33 PM
I guess anything is better than "Vegas Premier"

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: Intel DX79SR
Ram: G.Skill 8x4GB DDR3 2133 (running at 1600 and lower latency)
CPU: 3930K @ 4.3GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x ASUS Fury-X
Hard drives: 4x 2GB WD Red in RAID 5 (with Hot Spare), 2x Crucial 256GB SSD in RAID 0 (mulitcam project drive), 1x Samsung 850 Pro 256GB SSD (System), 1x Crucial 64GB SSD (temp files and swap file), 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner
PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM, 1x Sony HDTV 32" preview monitor

cliff_622 wrote on 4/20/2016, 9:54 PM
I wonder if COREL would be interested in Vegas Pro. They have been trying to challenge Adobe for what? 20 years now?

How about STEINBERG or M-Audio? A good "Pro" NLE would be a great addition to their existing products.

TASCAM to buy Vegas Pro? I'd love to see that happen too!

After all these years, I'd rather see Sony sell it to a company that will respect Vegas and be happy to move it forward again.
VMP wrote on 4/20/2016, 10:06 PM
Cakewalk Vegas Pro.

Microsoft Vegas Pro Lol.

VMP
VidMus wrote on 4/21/2016, 12:09 AM
"Microsoft Vegas Pro..."

I REALLY like that! Vegas would finally get the support it should have gotten from Sony! At least the different divisions of Microsoft would know what it is.

Sony should also sell its camera divisions to Microsoft as well.

Sony is an umbrella corporation that severely leaks rain water because it is full of holes. An extremely poor investment at best! SELL!!!
ushere wrote on 4/21/2016, 12:10 AM
liquid vegas, when you know where you're software is going.

Marc S wrote on 4/21/2016, 8:58 AM
Blackmagic Vegas

"Free version available that does not include 3d features and major development going on all the time."
Matt12 wrote on 4/21/2016, 9:08 AM
No, please Corel NO....the way they killed a beutifully & working DVD authoiring software like Ulead DVD Workshop....

Silence at the show could really possibly mean sale is looming, the fact they released catalyst doesn't mean much, this could have been in the pipeline for some time.

These decisions in such a big company are taken at top level (and I think SCS in term of turnover means nothing) and nobody at lower levels knows for sure what is going to happen...until "weird" things happens like not being at the show, not having clear release roadmap for the future...+ some people, feeling somethin, started to quit or are laid off
Christian de Godzinsky wrote on 4/21/2016, 10:06 AM
Well,

What conclusions can we make with today's facts on hand? Its just plain insane (the word s t u p i d gets censored) - WHY do we have to assume things - why cannot SCS come out bravely and tell us to stop the speculations - OR confirm that the Vegas is entering its terminal state. SCS still sells VP13 and it would of course kill that revenue... But - is it fair to do that if there is not VP14 lurking around the corner? And again - I would pay the full price for VP14 without a single new feature - if only SCS could improve VP13 shortcomings and iron out some of the more serious bugs.

There was a lot of discussion about "13" as a version number when it become clear that there will be a successor to VP12 . In my part of the word 13 is a unlucky number, might turn out to be that for Vegas too...

SO what conclusions can we make?

- SCS and VP13 is absent at NAB 2016 at the Sony Booth (no people around even knowing the product other than by name)

- Peter (the loyal guy that helped us a lot on these forums) left the company after 19 long years.

- There has been no bug releases (new builds) since almost a YEAR

- Some earlier confessions (not only rumors) from partners that Sony is concentrating on Catalyst

- Vegas code base is so old that to get rid of VFW dependency and support GPU rendering in a more efficient way there is a need for a (non profitable and laborious) rewrite

- A prominent number of known and recognized bugs (not all showstoppers) still waiting to be fixed...

I have been a loyal Vegas user since version 6 and have purchased every release. Vegas 13 is unfortunately still so buggy that you cannot trust it to perform well - especially if there is anything GPU related activated. Not very professional.

Its too early to prepare the burial of Vegas - but the terminal care has probably begun. Please SCS - silence is BAD, let us know the truth so we can stop all this speculation. I would like to move on if that's the case. It would be a knock in my productivity (Vegas IS very intuitive, deep in my "spinal", and has the best UI ever). But this is the price to pay because I want to improve the quality and predictability in my editing. I would prefer to continue with an improved and more reliable VP14, but how long do I have to wait? I rather would take the decision sooner based on facts, than waiting with uncertainty hovering around... I love Vegas but is my beloved dying? Even if that's the case it has been a nice relationship!

Christian

ReceptorDeceptor wrote on 4/21/2016, 10:43 AM
"This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper."

Too bad. Especially considering the hours and hard-earned money spent in Vegas, and the fact that VP13 finally was quite stable with the latest builds; that's why it doubles the bummer - they finally got the key elements working (and emptied my wallet meanwhile!) , and then ... the whole software, or at least its development disappeared to oblivion. I was even a closed beta tester for VP at one point - I told you to fix those bugs, didn't I? lol. :D

Even though I've been phasing on to Adobe CC Suite and so forth, I still find Vegas to be the best NLE of choice for many purposes. It's quick, intuitive - you name it. What a shame they let the whole program slip away like this, but then again, from what I've read from financial news articles, Sony has been in economic turmoil for some years now, so this shouldn't have been much of a surprise.

Happy trails. I hope that the remnants of the software will find a decent new ownership if necessary. With some effort, Vegas might find its way back to the big game. Just be honest with your long-term customers, SCS. Play fair.
monoparadox wrote on 4/21/2016, 10:59 AM
It's dead, Jim.

We're like a family that lost a loved one but can't recover the body for a burial.

-- tom
JJKizak wrote on 4/21/2016, 11:23 AM
I'm going to hang on to my "Blue track Markers" and "Pink out of Sync Tracks until they pry them from my cold dead hands.
JJK
Gene Aum wrote on 4/21/2016, 11:34 AM
I think the Vegasaur dev folks would do a great job resurrecting VP.