Ding. Right on the money.

"I have Adobe CSS 5.5 which was the last version before they went to the cloud base."

Actually it was CS 6. I am really glad that I upgraded from 5.5 and so got the last un-cloud version, because I have no intention of moving to the un-Creative Cloud with a bull-ring through my nose..

I've been with VV since 3.0... Vegas helped me to turn a hobby into a career which enabled me to work mostly from home while my kids were younger... VV's fast work flow allowed me to make more $$ per hour & jump into HD before the competition... I worked about 50 hours per week and my net pay was about the same as my previous salary...

I have now returned to the field of education but still do some former clients' work on the side... Clients return to me because they know they will receive the same high quality work as before... However, they show me the bids they are getting from others... These days any college kid/retired hobbyist knows how to edit video & with affordable gear they can still get pretty good results... It was fun while it lasted but I think I got out at the right time...

+1 therhino.

i sold my production facility / post house in 2000 because i saw the light on the oncoming train ;-)

the friends i know who are still in the business (ie. indies, not employees) are having a really hard time of it.

Hi DGates,
Your post is the only positive post that tells me Vegas Pro 14 will come. Can you confirm again as i dread the day we have no Vegas Pro.
I have been using Vegas since v4.0 and i love everything about it. I am on v12 now and its lightning fast, 100% stable with my hardware and does far more than other NLE's. In fear ive been looking at Premiere Pro and others and nothing compares to my best work friend that is Vegas Pro....

Vegas Pro has been up there as one of the top four editors. Cant believe SCS would consider ditching it. Even catalyst is no where near a replacement or substitute and even in a tutorial by Sony they said catalyst does the basics so you can 'take it to Vegas Pro, Premiere, fcpx and others to continue editing'

Please let there be hope :-)

"i dread the day we have no Vegas Pro."

Vegas is not going to evaporate off your hard drive just because there is not going to be a version 14.

As long as you leave it there, there will always be Vegas.

From v4.0 to v12 there has been some great developments which have helped us all grow over the years. It would be nice to continue the journey.

I for one would prefer that software makers concentrated on fixing bugs and only providing such new features that are likely to have widespread appeal. If they did that, however, they would be in danger of losing a significant part of their income stream, unless they moved to Adobe's renting model.

I have bought every version of Vegas starting from 7, but up until now I have mainly used 9c. I would have been none the worse if SCS had pulled the plug back then, and saved me money into the bargain.

Many people I think are upgrade junkies, me included

> Reply by: mphelan "i dread the day we have no Vegas Pro. ...I am on v12 now "

With all due respect for your love of Vegas Pro... You are one of the people who are killing it! Don't you get it? You didn't buy Vegas Pro 13. A whole bunch of other Vegas Pro users didn't buy Vegas Pro 13.0. So Sony executives look at the sales numbers, see that Vegas Pro 13.0 isn't selling, and decide that is has run it's course and cancel the project!

What do you care if Vegas Pro 14.0 comes out or not... YOU DIDN'T BUY 13.0!!!!!

This is exactly why Adobe moved to the subscription model. People were not upgrading so they decided to force money out of everyone. It's a problem every mature software product faces when they can no longer innovate and attract customers to upgrade.

You can't stop buying a product and then cry when the company goes out of business for having no sales.

I'm not singling you out per se' but rather using you as an example. When customers don't upgrade, companies stop making the product. It's simple supply and demand.

Sony is attracting a whole new customer base with the Catalyst Suite and that's exactly what they need to be doing to stay alive.

~jr

+1 JR

That plus software piracy.

Just a wild guess (not pointing to anyone), I don't think that 100% of this forum's visitors are using purchased VP software.

I read once on a site that VP is one of the most illegally downloaded NLE software.

Beside VP13 (and previous Vegas) I have even purchased an extra copy of Acid Pro.7 to support SCS for a 64 bit update for AP7. I don't think that would help much, but I did what I can.

If you have once purchased Vegas, then you can upgrade it for a small price.

SCS and Sony still might be watching the sales before they decide what they are going to do.

Of course not every student will be able to purchase VP (there must be academic discounts out there). So it would be possible that SCS too will go into that subscription thing, which I am not a fan of.
I don't like lending things

But what is it that we can do to support SCS, and keep VP alive?

- Purchase, upgrade to VP13. - http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/buy/vegaspro
- - I am sure students can get academic discounts, and previous purchasers can get an upgrade discount.

Would this make any difference now? No idea.

VMP

I have to disagree a bit with the "if you didn't buy the latest version" it is your fault? Since when do I have to purchase something I deem not necessary? If there are features that I do not care about and VP 4,9,12 work fine for me why is this bad? New versions do not automatically mean I'm updating. I have upgraded when I deem it worthwhile on my part and when I can afford it. I do not own a production house or am a big name producer. I am doing video work as a hobby and for family and friends.

JohhnyRoy, you also called Adobe's subscription model "Ransom-ware" which I agree with totally and have not upgraded to any software that requires monthly Payment Plans.

From the information I received via e-mail from Gary, he indicated he never said what rs170a is claiming he said. He indicated that Sony never discusses future plans for a product. (I'm paraphrasing ) He also did mention that Catalyst Suite is not a replacement for Vegas at this time.

Basically this whole topic is hearsay and rumors.

I like buying software when the features are attractive to me and seem good. There are still outstanding issues that I hope Sony will fix with-in Vegas that have been present since v9 and v12. In an ideal world, it would be nice if software companies actually fix ALL bugs before releasing yet another revision. During the time I had purchased Vegas Pro 9, Sony released amazing patches that added many many features. Then 10 came out and the numerous issues under 9 would stay.

Personally i think we will see vegas continue as its one of the top editors.

Lots of people complain about bugs and issues and blame SCS...

I for one did a lot of research and custom built my own workstation and my Vegas Pro runs 'ROCK SOLID', never hangs, stalls, crashes or cause me any problems. Gpu rocks at rendering.... Basically everthing works flawlessly.

I sometimes wonder if the issues people experience are simply down to hardware or software conflicts/ incompatibility and not a fault of the software. No one can make a complex editing program compatible with everything.
I plan to build a new workstation next year but want wait to see if we get VP14 so i can get it right like before.

Vegas Pro 12 has never failed me. And yes i didn't upgrade to 13 as it offered little differece from 12. I went from v4-6-7-8-10-12.

"Just a wild guess (not pointing to anyone), I don't think that 100% of this forum's visitors are using purchased VP software. "


You can't use this forum (for more than read only) unless you own the registered product. At least that's the way it was when I signed on many years ago.

:- ) that must have changed, you CAN post without having any SCS software registered in your account.

Seen it a while ago with another account (of an acquaintance who hasn't registered anything yet) not sure how it was when I joined back in 2002 though.

I wasn't referring to registered or active users in the original post btw.

VMP

I only had to create a forum account. I did not have to submit any software registration codes in that account for forum use.

yeah, but we don't take you seriously if you haven't registered your vegas ;-)

Lol :-).

Another good thing about registering your software is that you get nice buttons beside your software list in your SCS account that say you are eligible to get upgrades at a discount price :-). And your serial numbers are kept online.

All things pirates are missing out on lol.

VMP

@FixitMad0
"I have to disagree a bit with the "if you didn't buy the latest version" it is your fault? Since when do I have to purchase something I deem not necessary?"

You don't. But if you're happy with the version you have, it's unreasonable to expect someone to continue to develop the product to include features or support just in case you might want it.

JohnnyRoy said "With all due respect for your love of Vegas Pro... You are one of the people who are killing it! Don't you get it? You didn't buy Vegas Pro 13. A whole bunch of other Vegas Pro users didn't buy Vegas Pro 13.0. So Sony executives look at the sales numbers, see that Vegas Pro 13.0 isn't selling, and decide that is has run it's course and cancel the project! "

I wonder whether SCS's pricing policy of "upgrade any to latest" hasn't contributed to this. Many people will have skipped upgrades simply because they didn't want/need the new features and they knew there was no penalty for waiting for until an upgrade that DID include new features they want.

> "If there are features that I do not care about and VP 4,9,12 work fine for me why is this bad?"

Because Sony employees need to get paid every year, not just in 2004, 2009, and 2012 (which roughly equates to VP 4, 9, & 12 release dates)!

Vegas Pro updates seem to have a very low adoption rate despite the attractive and very generous upgrade price. I'm amazed at how many people stick with older versions.

This is a problem for Sony.

So if Vegas Pro 14.0 has only incremental value that you don't need, why do you care if there is ever a Vegas Pro 14.0? THAT is the whole point. Many people who are freaking out about no Vegas Pro 14.0 weren't going to buy it anyway.

This is a problem for Sony.

Like I said, it's all about supply and demand. If you miss a few versions I'm sure it won't upset the cash flow too much. People who are still using Vegas Pro 9.0 when Sony is on 13.0, really haven't contributed to developing the product in 4 years so they shouldn't be surprised when development stops. Only buying 3 versions out of 13...

This is a problem for Sony.

Creating a new Brand that runs on new platforms to attract new customers in new areas of the business....

This is a SOLUTION for Sony!

> "JohhnyRoy, you also called Adobe's subscription model "Ransom-ware" which I agree with totally and have not upgraded to any software that requires monthly Payment Plans. "

Yes, I avoided calling it "ransom-ware" this time because I didn't want to start a discussion about the pros and cons of the subscription model for software but I firmly believe that the pros are all in favor of the manufacturer and the cons are all against the customer so I will not subscribe to software unless there is an "opt-out" clause where the software continues to work at it's current level.

I have found a complete replacement for the Adobe suite on my Mac: I use Affinity Photo to replace Photoshop, Affinity Designer to replace Illustrator, Apple Final Cut Pro X to replace Premiere Pro, and Apple Motion to replace After Affects. I have no need for any Adobe products anymore. BTW, Affinity is filling the gap that Adobe left behind. Their website proudly proclaims that they will never "rent" their software. Obviously appealing to ex-Adobe and soon to be ex-Adobe customers!

It's important to note that the term "Ransom-ware" is not about the subscription model itself. It's about Adobe's twist where the software stops working when you stop paying! That is the definition of "holding someone for ransom". If they had an opt-out clause where the software would continue to work but you would not receive updates, people would not be so adverse to it.

> "From the information I received via e-mail from Gary, he indicated he never said what rs170a is claiming he said. He indicated that Sony never discusses future plans for a product. (I'm paraphrasing ) He also did mention that Catalyst Suite is not a replacement for Vegas at this time."

...at this time (wow, is that choosing your words carefully or what?)

> "Basically this whole topic is hearsay and rumors. "

Well there is no fun speculating about facts... if we can't speculate about hearsay and rumors what can we speculate about? LOL :-D

~jr

Well, in my case the reason i'm still on version 10 instead of 13 is Microsoft's fault, not SCS'.

When the software suite i use way more than Vegas and make far more income from than Vegas was discontinued and won't run on Win7, i had no incentive to upgrade my OS. That meant that i was no longer in the market for any upgrades that won't run on XP. I bought the Vegas 11 upgrade when it came out not realizing at the time i wouldn't have a use for it. As it is, i still have never installed it even on my Win7 laptop since i knew the .veg files saved by it wouldn't work on my other stations. So, after having purchased every Vegas version 3 -- 11, as well several prior Movie Studio versions, i haven't been in a position to upgrade since then.

However, Microsoft may have finally redeemed themselves though. The other software i use does work again under Windows 8.1, and possibly 10 as well. So, i may be looking at an OS upgrade soon and then i can consider Vegas upgrades again.

+1 JohnnyRoy!

This same kind of thing happened when I was using Ulead's Media Studio Pro. There were many users still using old versions and not upgrading. This is also why I and some other said it looks like that situation again. I went to Vegas hoping it would be mainstream enough to never have this problem. Sadly, here it is again!

"This is exactly why Adobe moved to the subscription model. People were not upgrading so they decided to force money out of everyone. It's a problem every mature software product faces when they can no longer innovate and attract customers to upgrade."

I noticed that Microsoft now has the subscription model for Word. And probably for the same reason.

And Microsoft says Windows 10 is the last version. Will Windows go away? No, because they will make their money on subscription(s) and other apps they sell.

The software companies tried and tried to make the software purchase model work but all were bit by customers who failed to buy the upgrades.

Bottom line is, SCS is in business to make money. People don't buy the upgrades, SCS does not make the money. They have no choice but to make decisions that will help them make the money or go out of business.

The one thing that Ulead did that was real special was that they provided a final version of MSP that did not require a call home to finish installing it. All that was needed was the serial number and it would re-install and a person could continue to use it. That was most helpful for those who might need to build a new system.

Anyway, this is what happens when not enough people purchase the upgrades.

I started with 6 and have upgraded every time!

Not only does it hurt SCS when people do not purchase upgrades, it also hurts those who did because the support they need dries up.