"So, what does everyone plan on doing here for editing in the future?"

I am not going anywhere!

I did two big projects in one day. Not only because Vegas makes it easy to do but I am finally proficient in my use of Vegas.

I have a workflow that works great for me and I do not want to spend a ton of time re-learning something else.

No doubt, as soon as I learned something else they would either make a mess of changes and/or I would once again have to start with something new and then re-develop another workflow.

I have learning disabilities where I am very slow at learning new things. I am also getting too old and tired to learn a new workflow.

Maybe SCS can develop a few neat stuff for the 'cat' and add a few of them to Vegas Pro. Those who really need the 'cat' can have the full meal deal while I get the tasty crumbs. LOL!

Anyway, I am not going to anything else, period!

Moving on, not....

www.dannyfye.com

Media management can mean a number of things depending on the expectations of the user. I assume users want the ease of importing and editing their media in Vegas, also the ability to transcode media and then organise it clearly and effectively. While I understand the need for more effective importing and transcoding I really dislike media organising tools such as the old media manager which I find unintuitive and intrusive. I nearly always switch them off whether they are in Vegas, Windows or other software. For example I don't use Adobe Bridge but maybe a company that deals with thousands of media files a day might find it useful for renaming batches of files and other tasks. Personally I don't use these kind of tools but I'm not opposed to them being integrated into Vegas. It's possible that getting Vegas to play nice with CUDA might be a waste of time and resources but there's no reason why effective media management tools can't (or haven't) been integrated.

The argument that users of this forum are disregarding the needs of those who wish to see a Sony version of AVID might be true but is that not a reflection of the average user of Vegas? If this is about Sony making money off Vegas so it may continue to thrive then surely it needs to cater for the majority not simply those who want AVID features which come with an AVID price tag? I bought Vegas because it was cheaper than the rest but still pro feature friendly. There is always going to be a trade off between price and features. I think it would be disastrous for Sony to pit itself against the high end such as Adobe and AVID at a time when the software industry is giving more away for less.

I, too, have heard very good things about FCPX (after it got updates) that make it sound like a one day appealing alternative to Vegas. Though for now I have no need or means to switch.

One only thing that I don't really like about FCPX is always-auto-ripple during editing.
Not for me. Plus, the auto-save is troubling if you faced an error.

FCPX info in Wikipedia and look at Evolution section. it has been 4 years in development...

"So, what does everyone plan on doing here for editing in the future?"
Right now my workflow is still safe even for 4 years to come (from what I see now with current condition of Vegas Pro 13 b453), no trouble on editing AVCHD, XAVC-S / L footages. 4K is still looong time in my area.
My future? Keep using VP13 but also slowly learning other application as well.

Set

Pinnacle had the magnetic timeline 100 years ago. (in their consumer level software)

I always wonder what the original crew of Sonic Foundry would have come up with.
JJK

JJKizak,

Isn't the SCS crew (partially) the Sonic Foundry crew?

VMP

Is this why New Blue is having a summer sale? :)

> "One only thing that I don't really like about FCPX is always-auto-ripple during editing."

That is my favorite feature of FCP X. I know some people don't like it at first, but it's really different than ripple edit in Vegas Pro.

For those who don't know... FCP X has no tracks! It has a concept of a single Primary Storyline with Connected Clips and Secondary Storylines. When I connect a clip in FCP X, for example a lower thirds title, I'm telling FCP X that this title goes with this clip and no matter where I move the clip on the timeline, please move the title with it. ...and that's exactly what it does with no surprises. It allows me to rearrange complex edits very easily.

Ripple edit cannot do this. Ripple edit blindly moves every event to the right of the event you are moving regardless of if it has anything to do with the event you are moving or not, and it will optionally move events on other tracks and completely mess up your edit in the process including moving events under other events so that they are now hidden. Ripple edit is solely based on "timeline position" and not "clip relationship".

Sony attempted to do something similar to magnetic timeline with their recent addition of Sync Link (in Vegas Pro 12.0 if I remember correctly). I'm not sure how many of you learned to use Sync Link but it's really useful and more powerful than Groups once you understand it, but even Sync Link doesn't come close to the behavior of the magnetic timeline. Once you understand how the magnetic timeline works it makes editing so much easier and predictable (I would never use the term "predictable" when describing ripple edit which is one reason no one keeps it on all the time).

When learning any new software, it is best to try and understand the new workflow and concepts rather than trying to impose your old workflow and concepts on it. You'll get more out of the software that way.

~jr

Generation ( content management program ) comes with Fusion which is free.

Fusion makes After effects look like a toy, so don't use $hit ( Adobe and Apple products ) when you have far better programs available for free. This stuff used to cost $5000 just a few years ago and it was that much better than anything from Adobe or Apple.

For cutting/editing stick with Vegas and problem solved.

Another possibility would be Avid and Fusion since Fusion had something that made it possible to cut in avid, do all of the compositing in Fusion and go back without having to render anything other than the final altered clip from Fusion ( not sure what the story is right now ).

Looks like it's still available and still free.

http://www.vfx.co.nz/uncategorized/fusion-to-avid-connection-plug-in/

So, if Vegas ceases to be an option you can have Avid Media Composer + Fusion for about the same as one year's rent of Adobe's CC.

Why rent inferior $hit when you can get the real thing for less?

Hi JohnnyRoy, thanks for the explanation of sync link feature.
So it was a new feature from 11th version.

Deusx, this 'Fusion to Avid Connection plug-in' looks similar to Hitfilm3 Pro/Express feature that is available now too.
You can export the clip directly from timeline, to the HF3, add deeper compositing (although it is layer based workflow rather than Node-based feature of Fusion).

Set

As I recall most of them were laid off and there were a few purges later on. A lot of them stayed with Sonic Foundry. I'm not sure if Sony retained the core of the best, good, or mediocre people.
JJK

Before anyone dives into the counterintuitive nightmare that is FCP, I strongly recommend having a look at ths first:
http://www.grassvalley.com/products/edius_pro_8

I have little need for another editing program any time soon, but depending on what updates for Vegas that Sony brings out, I could be interested in using Avid, too. I don't think I'll seriously need a big upgrade for at least a year or more, though. I've done a little research on Avid and while it seems a little counter intuitive, it's also powerful and does not use the subscription model. And it's available on Windows.

If there really is no VP14 then perhaps the first thing SCS should do is offer a really attractive upgrade option to VP13. They would likely get a good number of people happy to move to the latest (final) version.

Or be even bolder and make a Vegas 2015 with a few more bug fixes and position it at the consumer Movie Studio Suite level.....

Hey JohnnyRoy....maybe we can go back to Pinnacle Studio. They're probably on version 33 by now.

Full Circle!!!

Would it be possible to put the Vegas GUI on Catalyst? Or I guess I mean economically feasible? Of course many features would have to be stripped off but at least Vegas users could pretty much jump right in and start working.

> "Hey JohnnyRoy....maybe we can go back to Pinnacle Studio. They're probably on version 33 by now. "

Yea, David, ...or I could run Windows 98 in virtual machine with Pinnacle DC10 Plus 1.6 which was solid as a rock for me and the first NLE I ever used. That's the software that got me hooked on video editing. :-D (btw, I still have my DC10 card... my wife is right... i'm a pack rat!)

~jr

SCS should do is offer a really attractive upgrade option to VP13
They do it already. Every other month I receive offers like this:
Vegas Pro 13 is the industry's best-selling video production application for the PC for a reason — for a bunch of reasons! It's packed with professional features. Experience them all for only $249.98 through September 30.

Deusx, I don't know where you got your info from, but generation is only included with the paid version of Fusion (Fusion Studio...999.00)
One year of Avid is for Media Composer and a couple of plug-ins for 49.99 a month
If you want powerful audio tools you have to cough up for ProTools as well.

One year of Adobe CC is 49,99 a month for over 17 different programs that can be installed on 2 systems. Plus all the free tools for IOS devices. (subscribers only) You can go to their site to see what is included.

Inferior? Absolutely not.
But I still use Vegas for lots of work. Don't care about us vs them.

Peoples response to media management simply re-enforces what I said.
If you want to work in a professional environment or in widely dispersed offices, media management is extremely important. There is a reason Adobe announced support for Avid ISIS media storage and management system. It's more than organizing your folders. Yet... one man shops responded by saying they don't need it. That's not who I'm talking to. I thought that was obvious.
If you want to see an example of cross platform media and pipeline management, check out Tactic. They have a free version you can download to check out.

BMD generation is good, but you have to purchase a BMD product to use it. Even if you don't want to.

If you don't want to pay for fusion even though it's a great price, there is an up and coming VFX app called Natron. Operates much like Nuke, but is free/open source and includes support for OpenFX plug-ins. (FYI, they used Sony's openFX plug-ins to test their software). They have a website and a facebook user group. Very promising.

Using disparate tools requires strong media management, from ingest to final output. If Sony doesn't want to write that, then at least make VP able to work better with 3rd party solutions. Catalyst is actually a step in the right direction.