Nvidia GTX 1080Ti 11GB GDDR5X 352-Bit will Rendering Speed up?

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adam-b wrote on 3/1/2018, 11:23 PM

@adam-b I have build pretty much the system you are planning to have (see my profile), do not expect wonders from it however, I choose this PC build as a golden midway for both good gaming support and video editing. And for gaming it really excels!

I choose a blower style of video card (like the nvidea reference). This is a less popular product with all the different vendor cooling solutions to differentiate themselves on the market, but the blower type blows the hot air out of my PC straight up (bottom to top) as my PC case is a Silverstone Fortress where the motherboards are mounted 90 degrees different than usual, having the heat exhaust and the cabling (unavoidably) on top the PC.

 

adam-b wrote on 3/1/2018, 11:45 PM

Hi, Thanks for info on video cards. I'll go for a 4GB NVidia 10XX Series. I'll be doing pretty basic Sony Vegas editing. Transitions & text coming in over movie footage and other pretty not too involved presentations. A steady preview window at full resolution with no dropped frames at 30fps is what I really am focused on. I've been reading the techreport reviews of the Gigabyte Gaming 7 Boards to run the 8700K, they’re not rapturous. Have users found the new 8700k 6 core chips to be significantly better than the 4 core: i7-7700K 4.2 MHz Chips for Vegas Preview work? I'm looking to clock the 8700k to 4.8MHz. Have people found the 8700k to be significantly smoother when viewing in preview mode?

I am likely to add a Aquacomputer M.2 NGFF PCIe SSD, M-Key water block to the Samsung 960 Pro 1TB drive to use it as a System Drive & Video Editing Drive, with a 850 evo as the "large video cutting up file drive" & cacheing drive, a few "server admin" people have said the Samsung 960 heat up fast (30 seconds).

JN_ wrote on 3/2/2018, 7:30 AM

@oldsmoke I downloaded and tested playback on my PC and Laptop, I just put a 1 second crossfade twice.

The PC played back at best full flawlessly, the Laptop the same except a dip to about half of full fps momentarily as it passed through the 2 crossfades.  Nothing disabled in vp15, 311.  I’ve put my basic machine specs in my profile.

Not related to this small test but I initially noticed that on the laptop it was automatically changing the preview setting after going through the crossfades.

I traced this to a setting (right click) in the “preview quality”, top of preview window, “Adjust size and quality for optimal playback “ that I had left selected.  I un-selected this to complete the test.

Its a useful option if you’re not testing.

Meant to say that I have the options set to automatically create proxies for 4k, but I take it that at best/full its not using them?

To answer my own question there is a difference. Re-tested without proxies. PC had flawless playback, a dip momentarily to about 26fps while passing through crossfades.

Laptop playback was about 26fps overall, a much bigger dip to about 5fps through crossfades.

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Desktop and Laptop basic specs ...

Both run Win 10 ...

Running latest ver. of Vegas Pro with latest updates.

VP13 B453 also.

Vegaseur and Pluraleyes installed on both ...

Quicktime 7.79.80.95

PC ...

i9 9900K, Intel Graphics 630. Nov 2018.

Mem. 32gb DDR4

Graphics card .. Nvidia Rtx 2080 Ti

Nvidia Graphics driver .. latest Studio driver.

Latest Intel Graphics driver

 

Laptop ... (Acer Predator G9-793-77AC)

CPU .. i7-6700HQ Skylake-H

Memory ..16GB DDR4 

Graphics card .. Nvidia GTX 1070, latest Studio driver.

gabgilson wrote on 1/8/2019, 5:29 AM

@JN_ Have just rebuilt my PC to try and get better timeline playback for 4k XAVCS footage. Very interested in this discussion. I noticed from your PC specs that you upgraded a few months back. Do you mind me asking if your timeline tests where done before or after the upgrade? And if after the ugprade, which components made the most difference?

I've gone for an AMD 1700 + GTX 1060 6 gb as the best budget system I could manage. It is much better than my old 2600k based system, but still drops frame rate as it passes from one 4k clip to the next. Overclocking the 1700 helped a little, but nothing else made any difference (faster memory, preview quality etc). So I'm assuming it's the faster CPU in your set up that makes most difference.

Thanks for any info!

JN_ wrote on 1/8/2019, 6:51 AM

Hi @gabgilson congrats on the new build. I did the above tests on my existing laptop and on the PC before the new build. I haven’t tested this media on my new build.

 

To answer my own question there is a difference. Re-tested without proxies. PC had flawless playback, a dip momentarily to about 26fps while passing through crossfades.

Laptop playback was about 26fps overall, a much bigger dip to about 5fps through crossfades.”

The “Adjust size and quality for optimal playback” is a very useful feature.

If you want any further testing on this media gabgilson or a sample of your own choice let me know.

 

Ok, I just tested the Oldsmoke clips, at Best/full with a 1s croosfade on my new PC, zero dip, playback rate at 29.97fps all the way.  No proxies used and “Adjust size and quality for optimal playback” is disabled.

 

Last changed by JN_ on 1/8/2019, 7:30 AM, changed a total of 3 times.

 

Desktop and Laptop basic specs ...

Both run Win 10 ...

Running latest ver. of Vegas Pro with latest updates.

VP13 B453 also.

Vegaseur and Pluraleyes installed on both ...

Quicktime 7.79.80.95

PC ...

i9 9900K, Intel Graphics 630. Nov 2018.

Mem. 32gb DDR4

Graphics card .. Nvidia Rtx 2080 Ti

Nvidia Graphics driver .. latest Studio driver.

Latest Intel Graphics driver

 

Laptop ... (Acer Predator G9-793-77AC)

CPU .. i7-6700HQ Skylake-H

Memory ..16GB DDR4 

Graphics card .. Nvidia GTX 1070, latest Studio driver.

gabgilson wrote on 1/8/2019, 7:43 AM

@JN_ Hi, thanks for speedy response and testing. Are those 4k XAVCS test clips ( I think so from looking back at the thread).

Good to know that something out there can play lag free 4k on vegas! The i9 is quite a long way up the budget path from the 1700 (same for 1060 to 1080GPU ), so it looks like I'll need to be happy with my current set up for now.

JN_ wrote on 1/8/2019, 7:54 AM

 @gabgilson

"Are those 4k XAVCS test clips"  Yes they are indeed, this is a Mediainfo screenshot of one of them.

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Desktop and Laptop basic specs ...

Both run Win 10 ...

Running latest ver. of Vegas Pro with latest updates.

VP13 B453 also.

Vegaseur and Pluraleyes installed on both ...

Quicktime 7.79.80.95

PC ...

i9 9900K, Intel Graphics 630. Nov 2018.

Mem. 32gb DDR4

Graphics card .. Nvidia Rtx 2080 Ti

Nvidia Graphics driver .. latest Studio driver.

Latest Intel Graphics driver

 

Laptop ... (Acer Predator G9-793-77AC)

CPU .. i7-6700HQ Skylake-H

Memory ..16GB DDR4 

Graphics card .. Nvidia GTX 1070, latest Studio driver.

OldSmoke wrote on 1/8/2019, 9:42 AM

Good to know that something out there can play lag free 4k on vegas!

@gabgilson this is a wrong statement. The issue is specific to 4K XAVC-S files. If you convert these to XAVC-I with Sony Catalyst Browse you will see that they resulting 4K XAVC-I MXF files play flawless.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

gabgilson wrote on 1/8/2019, 9:55 AM

@OldSmoke Thanks for info, I'm trying to get my head around all this as fast as I can. Sorry for any daft questions. Is there any loss of quality going to XAVC-I? Would I need to use them as proxies? I only ask because I do a lot of stabilising during the edit and that seems potentially tricky with proxy working. .

OldSmoke wrote on 1/8/2019, 10:47 AM

@OldSmoke Thanks for info, I'm trying to get my head around all this as fast as I can. Sorry for any daft questions. Is there any loss of quality going to XAVC-I? Would I need to use them as proxies? I only ask because I do a lot of stabilising during the edit and that seems potentially tricky with proxy working. .

I would suggest to try two or three clips and judge for yourself if there are any losses, I don't see any on my machine. No, you will not need proxies anymore.

 

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

gabgilson wrote on 1/11/2019, 6:16 AM

Just to update this for anyone following in the future. I tried disabling So4, and it appears to give a slight performance improvement on timeline playback, but crucially it's (so far) much more stable. I'm running Vegas Pro 16 with Sony 4k XAVCS clips on a too hot office PC. Before the swap it crashed every 15 mins. Since I swapped, it hasn't crashed. Possibly coincidence, but well worth trying if you're having crashing vegas problems.

OldSmoke wrote on 1/11/2019, 6:49 AM

@gabgilson so4 “swap”??

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

gabgilson wrote on 1/11/2019, 7:16 AM

@OldSmoke Disabling So4 I should have said. Corrected. Have also been looking at Catalyst Browse. Useful programme, thanks for the tip.

OldSmoke wrote on 1/11/2019, 7:18 AM

@OldSmoke Disabling So4 I should have said. Corrected. Have also been looking at Catalyst Browse. Useful programme, thanks for the tip.

Got it. I was wondering if there is a new “work around” by swapping the so4 dll with one from a previous version.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)