NVIDIA RTX3070

Grazie wrote on 1/20/2021, 10:27 AM

OK, it would appear my NVIDIA RTX2070 GPU has failed. Now, I may be offered one of the newer RTX3xxx. Have you got any thoughts on this new GPU?

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Teagan wrote on 1/20/2021, 11:21 AM

My 3080 is way way better than my SLI 1080 that I had previously.

250% increase in performance over one 1080, and SLI doesn't scale well with almost anything except rainbow six siege.

The NVENC encoder is excellent and renders 2x as fast as my 8700k alone.

Grazie wrote on 1/20/2021, 11:29 AM

@Teagan - Thank you. OK. But I’m coming from an RTX2070 and so I’m guessing I won’t see such a vast speed. @Teagan can you tell me IF you’ve run into any issues I should be made aware of?

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Grazie

PC 10 64-bit 64gb * Intel Core i9 10900X s2066 * EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra 10GB - Studio Driver 551.23 * 4x16G CorsVengLPX DDR4 2666C16 * Asus TUF X299 MK 2


Cameras: Canon XF300 + PowerShot SX60HS Bridge

Teagan wrote on 1/20/2021, 11:38 AM

@Teagan - Thank you. OK. But I’m coming from an RTX2070 and so I’m guessing I won’t see such a vast speed. @Teagan can you tell me IF you’ve run into any issues I should be made aware of?


The jump from 1080 to 2080 was not good enough for me (and I see many others thought that too!) but 3080 was.

This website with benchmarks should interest you, as they are very accurate:

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-3080-vs-Nvidia-RTX-2070/4080vs4029

According to them game FPS for you should increase 37%, and average use should be a ~97% increase. I assume some at least one of the technical tests they show are about the NVENC encoding, I'm not sure about that.

The only issue I have with mine is at 100% usage I get a somewhat noticeable coil whine but that is ok since my closed back headset is very good at stopping that.

Oh, and one thing, the air cooling on the founder's edition 3080 is EXCELLENT. At 100% sustained load for a long period my temperature never gets above 72-73 degrees C.

In your position I would upgrade anyways, for the PCIe 4.0 support and newer NVENC chip. There's also that direct memory access thing as well, for some games.

Grazie wrote on 1/20/2021, 11:56 AM

@Teagan - Ah, right. I’ve been told by my Builder that they have a back-order for many 3080s, but they could “get” a 3060. In any event, my 2070 is an end of life option.

AVsupport wrote on 1/21/2021, 1:33 AM

Just looking... RTX 20xx is PCI-E 3.0 vs 30xx being 4.0 ... is that correct? [my mobo maxxes out at 3.0]

my current Win10/64 system (latest drivers, water cooled) :

Intel Coffee Lake i5 Hexacore (unlocked, but not overclocked) 4.0 GHz on Z370 chipset board,

32GB (4x8GB Corsair Dual Channel DDR4-2133) XMP-3000 RAM,

Intel 600series 512GB M.2 SSD system drive running Win10/64 home automatic driver updates,

Crucial BX500 1TB EDIT 3D NAND SATA 2.5-inch SSD

2x 4TB 7200RPM NAS HGST data drive,

Intel HD630 iGPU - currently disabled in Bios,

nVidia GTX1060 6GB, always on latest [creator] drivers. nVidia HW acceleration enabled.

main screen 4K/50p 1ms scaled @175%, second screen 1920x1080/50p 1ms.

Grazie wrote on 1/21/2021, 1:58 AM

@AVsupport - That’s good to know. My Builder, a very well known UK Wide PC Building Company, knowing my exsisting Speccs has assured me that a 30xx can/could be slotted-in. I’ll further quizz them on what you are saying. Maybe a new MoBo to fix the problem? It’s gettin’ awfully expensive, for one of us ....😏

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PC 10 64-bit 64gb * Intel Core i9 10900X s2066 * EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra 10GB - Studio Driver 551.23 * 4x16G CorsVengLPX DDR4 2666C16 * Asus TUF X299 MK 2


Cameras: Canon XF300 + PowerShot SX60HS Bridge

AVsupport wrote on 1/21/2021, 2:12 AM

yeahh... just thinking IF it's backwards compatible ARE you gonna see the speeds you'd like to see to warrant the investment??

my current Win10/64 system (latest drivers, water cooled) :

Intel Coffee Lake i5 Hexacore (unlocked, but not overclocked) 4.0 GHz on Z370 chipset board,

32GB (4x8GB Corsair Dual Channel DDR4-2133) XMP-3000 RAM,

Intel 600series 512GB M.2 SSD system drive running Win10/64 home automatic driver updates,

Crucial BX500 1TB EDIT 3D NAND SATA 2.5-inch SSD

2x 4TB 7200RPM NAS HGST data drive,

Intel HD630 iGPU - currently disabled in Bios,

nVidia GTX1060 6GB, always on latest [creator] drivers. nVidia HW acceleration enabled.

main screen 4K/50p 1ms scaled @175%, second screen 1920x1080/50p 1ms.

Grazie wrote on 1/21/2021, 2:20 AM

@AVsupport - Sure, understood. But, I’m in an unfortunate position of needing my MONSTA! repaired. If that means I can ONLY get a faster GPU, 2070 are end of life, for my MoBo, then, as long as this isn’t a “bottleneck”, and it can mechanically slot in, I’m not too concerned.

Grazie wrote on 1/21/2021, 2:23 AM

@AVsupport - Of yeah, my Builder is needing to like-for-like, so warranting an investment on my side shouldn’t be an issue. 😎

Grazie wrote on 1/21/2021, 3:38 AM

@AVsupport - Ah, just been onto my Builder this morning and asked the question: Would I see a difference in performance using he 30XX between my PCIE 3 and a PCIE 4? The answer was only on registering this difference through Bench testing of around 5%. In terms of net sums gains about 50%. And no, no need to change my MoBo to accommodate. He also added that the original BUILD is that strong that I’d be good to go.

JN- wrote on 1/21/2021, 2:14 PM

@Grazie “Of yeah, my Builder is needing to like-for-like, so warranting an investment on my side shouldn’t be an issue”

OTOH, you could look at this as an opportunity to get a Monsta gpu, maybe pay the difference? A high end GPU may well outlast your current rig. One of the benefits of the Nvidia 3xxx series is the addition of AV1 decoding, might also come in useful in the future.

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Memory .. 32GB DDR4

Graphics card .. MSI RTX 2080 ti

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Laptop… XMG

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Grazie wrote on 1/21/2021, 3:29 PM

OTOH, you could look at this as an opportunity to get a Monsta gpu, maybe pay the difference?
 

@JN- Already been discussed 😉 .....

AVsupport wrote on 1/21/2021, 7:36 PM

I don't see much camera gear that would use AV1 as acquisition format..

my current Win10/64 system (latest drivers, water cooled) :

Intel Coffee Lake i5 Hexacore (unlocked, but not overclocked) 4.0 GHz on Z370 chipset board,

32GB (4x8GB Corsair Dual Channel DDR4-2133) XMP-3000 RAM,

Intel 600series 512GB M.2 SSD system drive running Win10/64 home automatic driver updates,

Crucial BX500 1TB EDIT 3D NAND SATA 2.5-inch SSD

2x 4TB 7200RPM NAS HGST data drive,

Intel HD630 iGPU - currently disabled in Bios,

nVidia GTX1060 6GB, always on latest [creator] drivers. nVidia HW acceleration enabled.

main screen 4K/50p 1ms scaled @175%, second screen 1920x1080/50p 1ms.

TheRhino wrote on 1/21/2021, 7:49 PM

IMO the builder should give you a GPU that has the same original price as what you paid for the RTX 2070 because he is literally going to return it under warranty & get a same-price replacement from the manufacturer... Recently I found a RTX 3060 Ti for $400 US & posted my Vegas benchmarks elsewhere on these forums... In Vegas, it was about as fast as my $350 VEGA 64 LQ & also blocked another PCIe slot, so I returned it & will wait until a GPU gives faster Vegas numbers...

Don't expect Vegas to take advantage of these new GPUs until the next release, V19, etc. but IMO you should get the best card you can & even bump it up to the next level if you only have to pay the price-difference between what you paid for the first card & the cost of the faster RTX 3080, etc... Good luck!

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--$200 ASRock W480 Creator (onboard 10G net, TB3, etc.)
Borrowed from my 9900K until prices drop:
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Reused from same Tower Case that housed the Xeon:
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--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
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--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000 (added another 32GB later...)
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

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$999 Walmart Evoo 17 Laptop with I7-9750H 6-core CPU, RTX 2060, (2) M.2 bays & (1) SSD bay...

fr0sty wrote on 1/23/2021, 7:05 AM

The 20xx series uses the same NVENC and NVDEC as the 30xx series, so you won't notice any difference there. You should notice an improvement on timeline acceleration, and as said above, as GPU acceleration is improved in VEGAS, so too will the benefit you get out of the card, so a good investment now may pay off later.

I think I'm going to wait to upgrade from my Radeon VII until GPUs can decode 10 bit 4:2:2 via hardware.

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Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

Grazie wrote on 1/24/2021, 3:34 AM

Eh, @fr0sty ? What do you mean?:

The 20xx series uses the same NVENC and NVDEC as the 30xx series, so you won't notice any difference there.

Please explain.
 

You should notice an improvement on timeline acceleration,

@fr0sty - Like how?

@fr0sty - Thanks in advance.

 

fr0sty wrote on 1/24/2021, 5:33 AM

When you encode with NVENC, or use NVDEC to help decode video on your timeline, your Nvidia GPU uses special chips to do that. They did not upgrade those chips from the 20xx series to the 30xx series, the only thing that got updated was the compute units, which saw a massive increase in performance. This is what is used to assist in timeline rendering, GPU accelerated effects, etc... so that is where you'll see the performance difference, not so much while encoding or just playing video from the timeline.

Grazie wrote on 1/24/2021, 6:15 AM

They did not upgrade those chips from the 20xx series to the 30xx series, the only thing that got updated was the compute units, which saw a massive increase in performance.

@fr0sty - Ah, righto!

This is what is used to assist in timeline rendering, GPU accelerated effects, etc... so that is where you'll see the performance difference,

@fr0sty - O...K...?

not so much while encoding or just playing video from the timeline.

@fr0sty - Isn’t playing Video and the Effects in those TL Events the same? In terms of what you’re saying, isn’t this the same?

TIA - G

fr0sty wrote on 1/24/2021, 6:29 AM

Timeline acceleration accelerates the effects you see listed as "GPU accelerated", as well as text, etc... you'll notice a difference there, but not as much just playing video on the timeline without effects added. That is what the decoder chip handles (if you have it set to in file i/o, if you have an intel chip, it's said you get best performance by letting the intel gpu decode while the nvidia does the timeline stuff).

Grazie wrote on 1/24/2021, 6:41 AM

@fr0sty - Thanks for your explanations. So “stuff” that’ll get me to my Narrative faster! 😃

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 1/25/2021, 10:08 PM

@Grazie Might be a while before it's widely supported but the Nvidia 30xx series has a new 5th gen chip on it that can do VP10/AV1 decoding in hardware and might be faster all around. If it was me, I'd definitely hold out for a 3080 and maybe grab something economical to get me by... like a 1660ti or an rx590. Here's the Nvidia encode/decode support matrix...
https://developer.nvidia.com/video-encode-and-decode-gpu-support-matrix-new

Grazie wrote on 1/26/2021, 1:37 AM

@Howard-Vigorita - Thanks for your caring of me 🙏 . However, the card is being replaced by the company that originally built my MONSTA!, under my Warranty agreement. I’m not sure how they would then cover a Like-For-Like replacement - this NOW being a 30xx series and then allow me to fit or they to fit one in the future. Messy......

Grazie wrote on 1/29/2021, 8:37 AM

Cha-ching!


@Howard-Vigorita “If it was me, I'd definitely hold out for a 3080”

Yes sir! I’m definitely getting the RTX3080 with 10gb for...... 50% Discount ‘cos of the Warranty Swap-Out.

Thanks Guys for your support.

RogerS wrote on 1/29/2021, 8:47 AM
 

Yes sir! I’m definitely getting the RTX3080 with 10gb for...... 50% Discount ‘cos of the Warranty Swap-Out.

Thanks Guys for your support.

That's really smart. You'll be well future proofed!