One more patch for VP 17?

michael-harrison wrote on 8/21/2020, 2:21 AM

Can anyone from Magix, or their insiders, comment on the likelihood we'll see at least one more patch for 17?

If nothing else, I'd love to see the fix for window placement saving. Of course, I'll accept any stability fixes too :-)

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fifonik wrote on 8/21/2020, 2:25 AM

+1

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fr0sty wrote on 8/21/2020, 3:31 AM

It's unlikely, unless there's a bug discovered that affects a wide range of users and prevents the program from working. They did do an update of VEGAS 15 after 16 had launched, but that's the only instance I can remember where an update came after the next version launched.

 

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LongIslander wrote on 8/21/2020, 10:25 AM

I say support the team. Its only a 200 dollar upgrade. And the 8 Bit Full Levels Fix is worth that in its self.

michael-harrison wrote on 8/21/2020, 10:31 AM

I say support the team. Its only a 200 dollar upgrade. And the 8 Bit Full Levels Fix is worth that in its self.

@LongIslander So far, not for me and my use case. I've tested 18 and compared it with 17 on my work and I just don't see a reason to upgrade at the moment.

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System 1:

Windows 10
i9-10850K 10 Core
128.0G RAM
Nvidia RTX 3060 Studio driver [most likely latest]
Resolution        3840 x 2160 x 60 hertz
Video Memory 12G GDDR5

 

System 2:

Lenovo Yoga 720
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16G ram
Intel HD 630 gpu 1G vram
Nvidia GTX 1050 gpu 2G vram

 

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 8/21/2020, 10:39 AM

Be nice if the Vegas gpu support was more modular... so that advances in gpu api support or code fixes could be applied with more Vegas version independence.

Steve_Rhoden wrote on 8/22/2020, 8:32 AM

No, highly unlikely there will be another update for Vegas Pro 17 down the road, at this point....

3POINT wrote on 8/22/2020, 10:51 AM

It would be nice when only the stabilization bug, that showed up in the last 2 builds of Vpro17, would be fixed.

TheRhino wrote on 8/22/2020, 1:10 PM

There have been some issues since V16 causing stability that did not happen in V15... I'm actually still using V15 for certain paid work because V16 & V17 won't handle more than 20 or so QT related files, like AVID DNxHD & DNxHR. I would switch to Magic's pseudo-ProRes intermediates, but some clients are reporting issues with those whereas the AVID files are just fine... I have NO ISSUES paying $200 per year for upgrades since I use Vegas for paid work, but I want the last $400 worth of software to fully work before I send $200 more...

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fifonik wrote on 8/23/2020, 5:07 PM

If I brought my car to service and while picking it up I found the power windows got broken and company asking me to pay for another service (to fix it up) I would refuse and the company would be forced to fix it by law.

I would understand if a new feature introduced in version X that does not work in all cases. But I think if something got broken -- it should be fixed and customers must not be asked to pay for upgrade where it fixed (sure, I do not mind if free upgrade offered for affected customers).

All new features of VP18 is useless for me. It is just not fair to force me to pay $200 for the bugfix that was reported long before VP18 release.

This happen for the 2nd (or may be 3rd) time for me with Vegas already. The first one was in Sony era.

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Steve_Rhoden wrote on 8/23/2020, 6:11 PM

Well fifonik, VP18 upgrade is not useless to me or many others. And the improvements + Added features exceeds what would be considered to be a bug fix...... Nothing is unfair in paying $200 for an upgrade if you use it for paid work!

fifonik wrote on 8/23/2020, 8:02 PM

I have not said the VP18 useless for everyone. I explicitly mentioned "for me" (my workflow is limited and video editing is my hobby only).

If I need something from VP18 I'd upgraded already.

Camcorder: Panasonic X1500 + Panasonic X920 + GoPro Hero 11 Black

Desktop: MB: MSI B650P, CPU: AMD Ryzen 9700X, RAM: G'Skill 32 GB DDR5@6000, Graphics card: MSI RX6600 8GB, SSD: Samsung 970 Evo+ 1TB (NVMe, OS), HDD WD 4TB, HDD Toshiba 4TB, OS: Windows 10 Pro 22H2

NLE: Vegas Pro [Edit] 11, 12, 13, 15, 17, 18, 19, 22

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fr0sty wrote on 8/23/2020, 8:14 PM

If I brought my car to service and while picking it up I found the power windows got broken and company asking me to pay for another service (to fix it up) I would refuse and the company would be forced to fix it by law.

I would understand if a new feature introduced in version X that does not work in all cases. But I think if something got broken -- it should be fixed and customers must not be asked to pay for upgrade where it fixed (sure, I do not mind if free upgrade offered for affected customers).

All new features of VP18 is useless for me. It is just not fair to force me to pay $200 for the bugfix that was reported long before VP18 release.

This happen for the 2nd (or may be 3rd) time for me with Vegas already. The first one was in Sony era.

Windows 7 will still crash on you. It still has flaws and security holes. Microsoft will not update it again. In fact, they put warnings on screen telling you that your product is no longer safe because they are no longer patching its security flaws. Apple's Quicktime on windows is much the same, even if you've bought quicktime pro. Quicktime on a windows system is now a security flaw, but nobody is giving out refunds over it, and nobody is going to patch it either. Many videogames stop getting patches and their multiplayer modes will stop working entirely after a few years.

Software support has a limited lifespan. If VCS went back and patched every bug out of every version of VEGAS, they'd go out of business before they were ever able to release a new version.

The solution? They put out demos for every version for free. You are able to test these features before you make the purchase.

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Geforce RTX 3090

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RogerS wrote on 8/23/2020, 10:28 PM

There have been some issues since V16 causing stability that did not happen in V15... I'm actually still using V15 for certain paid work because V16 & V17 won't handle more than 20 or so QT related files, like AVID DNxHD & DNxHR. I would switch to Magic's pseudo-ProRes intermediates, but some clients are reporting issues with those whereas the AVID files are just fine... I have NO ISSUES paying $200 per year for upgrades since I use Vegas for paid work, but I want the last $400 worth of software to fully work before I send $200 more...

Did you try exporting ProRes out of Voukoder with Vegas? I haven't tested it, but it may work better with Apple devices.

michael-harrison wrote on 8/24/2020, 10:52 AM

@fr0sty since you're a mod, could we get this thread locked or deleted? It's gone off on a tangent from what I originally intended.

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Nvidia RTX 3060 Studio driver [most likely latest]
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Video Memory 12G GDDR5

 

System 2:

Lenovo Yoga 720
Core i7-7700 2.8Ghz quad core, 8 logical
16G ram
Intel HD 630 gpu 1G vram
Nvidia GTX 1050 gpu 2G vram

 

RogerS wrote on 8/24/2020, 11:16 AM

Everyone is just giving their pitch for bugs they want fixed in 17. Seems on topic to me (if pointless)

michael-harrison wrote on 8/24/2020, 11:21 AM

@RogerS Not remotely IMO. I asked for input on *if* there would be a patch, not asking what should be in it.

System 1:

Windows 10
i9-10850K 10 Core
128.0G RAM
Nvidia RTX 3060 Studio driver [most likely latest]
Resolution        3840 x 2160 x 60 hertz
Video Memory 12G GDDR5

 

System 2:

Lenovo Yoga 720
Core i7-7700 2.8Ghz quad core, 8 logical
16G ram
Intel HD 630 gpu 1G vram
Nvidia GTX 1050 gpu 2G vram