OT: Apple delivers...how about Sony?

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ken c wrote on 4/20/2007, 6:09 AM
Great points everyone, and good to hear it Spot re industry acceptance/widespread usage, that's a plus. Plugins like US3 are great, hopefully V8 will include multicam editing, that's a basic must-have, that US2/3 have handled brilliantly (thanks to US2 I was able to edit a 3-cam shoot that's done six figures in sales in just weeks, so thanks!)..

I think in the absence of faster feature integration from Sony, for V8 and beyond, there's a *huge* opportunity here for a wide array of plugins to be brought to market, like US3, excalibur, newblue and others ...

So that's a call to action, plus profits, to vasst.com and others, eg it's a great opportunity for 3rd party developers to pick up the ball that sony hasn't allocated programming resources to, to create plug-ins to extend Vegas' capabilities. Look at the huge photoshop plugin market ... vegas' market is smaller, but there's still plenty of opportunity for software devs to create Vegas plug-ins to help extend the platform's capabilities ...

What features could be supported by plugin apps for V7 that aren't there on the market now? Seems like some of the feature requests could be handled by plugin devs, til (if) Sony adds those features to the platform... at least it's a temp. workaround, plus market opportunity for software developers.

ken
BrianStanding wrote on 4/20/2007, 6:39 AM
Pat,

Seriously, what is your objection to frameserving from Vegas to AE?
Always works perfectly for me.

Speedy, reliable, no rendering needed.
riredale wrote on 4/20/2007, 8:33 AM
One of you guys with far more graphics talent than I possess (that's probably most of you) ought to design a t-shirt for this motley Vegas crew that hangs out on this board. I'd start the ball rolling by suggesting the words "VEG head" on the back, with a screenshot of the color corrector window on the front. There's a lot of enthusiasm here.

I'd buy one.
Cliff Etzel wrote on 4/20/2007, 8:37 AM
For this n00b - What is frame serving???
p@mast3rs wrote on 4/20/2007, 9:18 AM
I never really liked frame serving to AE. It does work but then you still have to render it back out to Vegas. Thats why I liked PP2 so much was because I could use Dynamic Link and only have to render one time barring I made no mistakes the first time.
Cliff Etzel wrote on 4/20/2007, 9:35 AM
I guess it depends then on how much one has to go into After Effects. I have it - I maybe use it once in a blue moon (literally).

So from what I am beginning to gather here then is it really depends on the type of work one does - and that determines the tool set necessary.

As far as straight cutting and audio production goes, I have to give the nod to Vegas/SF/AP/CS - especially the Vegas/Cinescore integration. I would equate these two currently as the equivalent to my using PPro with the Smartsounds Quicktracks Plugin for PPro. Adding Audition as the clean up tool is the equiv to the latest version of Sound Forge 9.

It's comparing Apples to Oranges I think now. Pick the tool you like and work with it. It's as old as the old school debate of Nikon versus Canon - each has it's Pros and cons. But the nod does go to Vegas for a specific reason now - native XDCAM support.
FrigidNDEditing wrote on 4/20/2007, 10:39 AM
Patrick I am not trying to really make this personal, I'm just tired of watching you jump off and on the vegas bandwagon so extremely all the time. curtailing a little bit of that so that you look like you're on a see saw instead of a roller coaster would probably make me less irritated (it can be very exhausting just reading your posts at times, which is why I don't always read them). Overall, I've got nothing against you, your complaining about, or exaltation of Vegas, I just wish that your comments would be made with a little more tempering and a little less unbridled enthusiasm (not all the time because we all need a little unbridled enthusiasm, just not all the time)

So patrick I'll say again, slowly this time so you don't miss it like you did last time, n..o.... o..f...f..e..n..s..e... t...o... a..n..y..o..n..e..


(sorry, just had to rib you a little)

Dave
Cliff Etzel wrote on 4/20/2007, 4:03 PM
As a side note - I just found out that in order to use XDCAM with PPro, you have to purchase a $500 plug in - for that amount of money, I can use Vegas with native XDCAM support. and pocket the difference by not upgrading to CS3. Instead use that CS upgrade money towards the XDCAM EX. ;)
BrianStanding wrote on 4/21/2007, 3:21 AM
Frameserving is a way of delivering a video file to another application without rendering. DeBugMode (www.debugmode.com) has a free frameserver plug-in that will work in Vegas.

Basically, you create a temporary "dummy" file that the other application sees as a standard .AVI file. Much faster, and uses less disk space, than rendering out a file.

Pat's right, though, in that this is an easy way to get out video from Vegas to, for example, After Effects, but the DebugMode plug-in won't work in the other direction, from AE to Vegas. So, you're stuck with rendering out in AE. Since I only do very shot title sequences in AE, this usually isn't a problem for me. If you're doing something much longer, this may take some time.
GlennChan wrote on 4/21/2007, 10:59 AM
Vegas is a fine color correction tool that is untill you see a pro in front of Final Touch (now part of FCS)...

IMO... I've used both Final Touch (albeit two years ago) and Vegas' CC and Vegas has some nice advantages over Final Touch, and vice versa.

Vegas' masking/vignette/power windows looks much better (no halos), while Final Touch is able to motion track them. Vegas' interface for drawing spline-based windows is better (b splines = ugh).

Vegas' conform process is nice because you stay in Vegas. Final Touch was very picky, and didn't handle speed changes. It was also VERY unstable+buggy and undo wasn't working (I'm guessing this will be fixed).

For what Vegas is (a ~$500 tool), it has really strong CC (and also audio). Final Cut Studio does have better demos.

2- On a side note, one of the things Vegas is good at is bumping contrast and saturation (video generally looks better when you do this).

http://vasst.com/product.aspx?id=2212ad20-81a5-4415-a37a-fa0c83fa1dcd
(See the disk excerpt quicktime movie download)

Some other applications can't do this; Final Cut can't do it without 3rd party plug-ins (though in Color, you'd add the smoothstep colorFX and use the secondary CC).
vitalforce wrote on 4/23/2007, 1:50 PM
<<"I feel sorry for you if you have to use crap like Avid or pro tools.">>

Actually my comment about leaving Vegas in the future was out of regret, not out of interest. I face having to deal with lesser mortals who do not know Vegas and all they know is "can you give the project to me in X format?"

Many times I have submitted to Sony's product suggestions with one single suggestion: Add OMF or working AAF or whatever allows me to work with Vegas 90% of the time without that d@$#% phone call saying "I can't open your project, here's what I need."

(SPOT enters, faces Vitalforces like Cher in Moonstruck...SLAP...'Snap out of it!)

Thanks, Spot, I needed that. I'm about to buy a new computer with my annual bonus, a nice quick Core2duo machine and am getting torn about Apple MacBook Pro versus a Desktop PC with lots of grunt.

Maybe I won't leave her...I love her...