Please Make Vegas Pro 12 Compatible for Mac!!!!!


deusx wrote on 3/12/2012, 12:55 AM
>>>It's about enjoying something you want to enjoy, when and where you want to enjoy it>>>

Except you can't enjoy everything you want wherever and whenever you want. Not if you have any standards left. Such is life and no amount of gadgetry will ever change that. From games to movies, everything on a tablet is an inferior experience and portability doesn't change that. So I get to spend $500 for the pleasure of having an inferior experience anywhere I want. Why exactly is that a good thing?

ushere wrote on 3/12/2012, 1:29 AM
@deusx - one mans 'inferior experience' in another mans 'superior experience'.

it's obvious that you've have some problem with tablets, my suggestion is you keep taking them till you feel better ;-)
Laurence wrote on 3/12/2012, 1:30 AM
Really, the only thing I use my PC for is music and video editing. The iPad is what I use for everything else. I just got both the PC and iPad versions of Avid Studio. Theoretically I should be able to do a rough edit on the iPad and transfer it to the PC version of Avid Studio for final polish. So far it hasn't turned out to be that practical, but I'm still working towards that goal. Some people see the iPad as a small screen. I see it as an escape from a small room.
deusx wrote on 3/12/2012, 5:09 AM
>>>>it's obvious that you've have some problem with tablets, my suggestion is you keep taking them till you feel better ;-)<<<<

See, you've got it backwards again. The problem is people taking too many tablets, especially when they don't need them. You know what happens then.

>>>>@deusx - one mans 'inferior experience' in another mans 'superior experience'.<<<

Really??? Watching Mad Men on a 10" screen is a superior experience in what universe exactly? Or playing one of Nintendo's games on a 3DS vs whatever uncontrollable mess they try to pass of as games on the iPad. Maybe in Bizarro universe? Bizarro Kramer watching Fusili Jerry episode on an iPad? OK I can see that as a joke, but in this universe it's not even a matter of opinion.
Laurence wrote on 3/12/2012, 7:53 AM
deusx wrote on 3/12/2012, 9:21 AM
Sure you can do that with a PC, just lay your your desktop on its side on the counter.

You can chop vegetables with fan blades and fry eggs on your GPU.
JohnnyRoy wrote on 3/12/2012, 10:28 AM
> "- Vegas IS on the Mac (Computer)"

Yup. I run it on my MacBook Pro via VMware Fusion all the time. This is what it looks like:

Vegas on my Mac

nedski wrote on 3/12/2012, 12:47 PM
JohhnyRoy, it's obvious that you like Apple's hardware. I have no problem with that as I've stated before.

My question is, what do you like about OS X over Windows 7? Are there some programs that are OS X exclusive that you can't find an equally good Windows program? Obviously Final Cut isn't one of them! Do Adobe's programs work somehow better under OS X than under Windows?

Please be as technically specific as possible, phrases like "It a smoother experience" or "It just works" are fine for the computer illiterate, but I'd like to know if there is some advantage that I'm not seeing. I've had a few Apple Mac's in the past and I have one of my computers doing double duty as a Hackintosh so it's not like an Apple hater, I just don't really see the point.

If it's just a personal preference like a Coke vs. Pepsi comparison, I can appreciate that, I'd just like to hear any tangible reason you prefer the OS X environment.

Thanks for indulging me.
Cliff Etzel wrote on 3/12/2012, 12:59 PM
I'm going to throw a curve ball here about an interesting thread on Creative Cow by Ronald Lindeboom, CEO of Creative Cow about the suggestion that Apple License their OS via HP who would build their workstations - enjoy


Laurence wrote on 3/12/2012, 1:10 PM
The only reason I didn't buy a Mac this last time around is that it doesn't support USB 3. To me that was a huge thing. USB3 bus powered drives are small, fast and inexpensive. At the rate I go through hard disk space (including backups of everything) that is a really big deal. Thunderbolt or Firewire drives would be as good or better, but the "better" wouldn't translate into anything that would be noticeable in my workflow, and they would cost several times as much and likely I would end up with lower sizes due to the cost constraints. I am baffled at how a company (Apple) that is so brilliant in many ways manages to consistently leave out features like eSata and USB3 in order to promote way over priced things like Firewire 800 and Thunderbolt.
riredale wrote on 3/12/2012, 1:26 PM
As for the suitability of running an NLE on a small screen, I can recall a few years back when I bought a Sony UX microPC. Yes, it ran XPpro, and yes, I was able to get Vegas to run on it. Not that I'd want to actually use it that way, but it COULD be done.

The smallest I've ever gotten actual work done on was a 12" Dell Latitude while on a sailing trip. Worked okay even for HDV but a larger screen and more horsepower would have definitely made life easier.

I really have no issues with Apple products. Different strokes for different folks and all that. I admit I'm a bit of a nerd. I like to see how things work inside. I switched from AOL many years ago after realizing I didn't need their closed environment to get what I wanted. I think Apple offers a similar situation: we will limit your options but in so doing we will make life simpler. Seriously, nothing wrong with that for many people.
Laurence wrote on 3/12/2012, 1:49 PM
Avid Studio on the iPad is actually quite nice, except that it crashes a lot...about the same as Vegas 11 actually (ducking and running for cover). In any case, the workflow in place is there: you can do your basic edits comfortably. 1080p footage from my Nikon DSLR loads in from the SD card and previews nicely from either the iMovie or Avid Studio timeline. If I use Avid Studio, I am supposed to be able to transfer a project from the iPad to computer version so that you can finish it up with color correction, stabilizing, iZotope audio restoration, etc. I have yet to make this work but I am in no way giving up.

I live by a beautiful lake with a park and gazebos. I really want to be able to at least do rough edits in that setting rather than in what my wife calls "my cave". Finishing up a project in my proper studio is fine, but I want to be able to do a lot of the creative stuff outside, or in a coffeeshop. No, this workflow wouldn't be for everyone. I have my heart set on it however.

Androids are years away from this (although I really like my Android phone). The iPad is a software revision or two away.
ddm wrote on 3/12/2012, 5:38 PM
Just to jump in here with yet another opinion, I've been using the Consumer Preview of Windows 8 on my old workbench computer, with a 23 inch touchscreen monitor and it's kind of mind alteringly cool. A huge task, taking a full featured OS and clamping on a simplified tablet like touch centric interface... Would not have bet alot on a company like Microsoft, at this late stage to be able to pull this off. Color me very impressed. I'm a Windows fan, but I have a couple Macs and all iphones in the house, love the iphone, great product, very comfortable with the touchscreen, but this Windows 8 thing is exciting. I DO want a tablet that is completely compatible, why not? They're just getting more and more powerful. I got my wife a Kindle Fire and it's pretty cool, but Android is... let's just say it's not quite as rich as IOS is. The Fire is Great for reading books in bed, though. the ipad is way too heavy for that, and too big, great for visual media consumption, though.

Vegas 11 seems to run perfectly in Windows 8, I could see using a tablet with the resolution of the ipad 3 for video editing, and a tablet that can also use a mouse and a contour shuttle, a wacom tablet and touchscreen... USB 3, etata etc etc, not going to see any of that on an apple "pad" product. That's Apple's strategy, and it's a sound one for the masses, everything you want, you buy thru itunes, no usb, no memory sticks etc... etc... GO Microsoft.
JohnnyRoy wrote on 3/12/2012, 6:01 PM
> "My question is, what do you like about OS X over Windows 7?"

There are a lot of reasons, but the main reason I like OS X is the user experience. Once I got an iPad, I started to experience the integration of hardware and software that Apple can achieve because they own both and I was hooked. I looked at the MacBook Pro and saw that it had the same gestures/swipes as the iPad and that was another selling point. I haven't grabbed for a scroll bar in months. I just use gestures on the track pad. It's a much cleaner and faster way to interact. Windows has a track pad too but it's useless except for pointing. No swipes. I really like in interaction of OS X over Windows 7 for stuff like this. I guess Windows could have it but then all of their hardware suppliers would need to ship track pads that can determine how many fingers are swiping or pinching etc. This is where controlling the hardware and software gives Apple the edge.

> "Are there some programs that are OS X exclusive that you can't find an equally good Windows program? Obviously Final Cut isn't one of them! Do Adobe's programs work somehow better under OS X than under Windows?"

No this had nothing to do with programs. I never even considered owning a Mac until I bought an iPad. In fact, I had already abandoned Windows 7 for Ubuntu Linux before that. So I went from Windows 7, to Ubuntu Linux, to OS X. I like Ubuntu for all the same reason's I like OS X. It was just faster on the same hardware than Windows. Most of the applications I use have a Mac version so it was a painless move.

> "Please be as technically specific as possible, phrases like "It a smoother experience" or "It just works" are fine for the computer illiterate, but I'd like to know if there is some advantage that I'm not seeing."

I like the fact that an application can't hang the OS because OS X is built on FreeBSD Unix that understands user mode vs kernel mode. In Windows 7 you might be able to kill a app that hangs but sometimes you need to reboot the PC because an application won't give up it's time slice and has made the entire PC unresponsive, or worse it blue-screens. On OS X I haven't had many apps hang but when they do, I can always kill them because the OS kernel is always in charge of what's running in user mode.

OS X is also faster on the same hardware. I spend over 12 hrs a day at a "computing device" and I have little tolerance for it slowing me down. I had a Core 2 Duo 2.66Ghz Lenovo W500 Laptop with 8GB of memory running Windows and I moved to a Core 2 Duo 2.66Ghz MacBook Pro and put the exact same 8GB memory chips in it. It's basically the same capability only running OS X. I click the Chrome browser and it instantly comes up. I click on Chrome on Windows and it thinks about it for a while, then eventually displays. When I resume from sleep mode on OS X it's instantly on and the network is ready to go. When I resumed from sleep on Windows it does some stuff, then takes a while and then eventually it finds the network again. When I shut down OS X it's down within seconds. When I shut down Windows, it always a long drawn out wait while it's doing who knows what. Boot time on OS X is also faster and when my desktop is displayed on OS X it's ready to go. On Windows the desktop eventually displays but then who knows what is loading until several minutes later when I can finally use it to get some work done. I like a responsive system and while Windows 7 seems more responsive than XP did, it just seems sluggish after using OS X. Also Windows gets slower and slower each year as you install software. OS X doesn't seem to have this problem. My MacBook Pro is an early 2010 model that someone else owned and I took over and it's giving me consistent performance. I think it's the Windows registry that slows that system down but on OS X performance doesn't degrade over time. This is more because it's based on Unix than anything Apple did but I've always liked Unix systems better because of their robustness and speed.

Also the total integration of the user experience across devices helps as well. I have an Apple TV and I can easily redirect a video that I'm watching on my MacBook Pro or iPad/iPhone to my HD TV. There just isn't that level of integration for the PC. I realize you don't want an "it just works" answer but on Windows nothing is integrated with anything else that you do so having everything work together is a big deal for me. My phone, my tablet, my computer, all work the same way. It might not be important for you. As I get older, I care less and less about the technology and more and more about things just working. I have a DLNA Media Server and a DLNA Media Player and they just never worked together. So I bought a WD HDTV and that kinda worked but it was a standalone solution and I had to bring the hard drive to my computer to copy files to it separately and it was clunky. So I have lots of useless hardware sitting around that never delivered on their promise. Then I bought Apple stuff and "it just worked" so I'm sorry if that's not a good enough explanation but all I wanted was for all this stuff to work and that's what Apple delivered. So maybe I can't convince you of why it is better but I do know that it works and apparently no one else seems to be capable of delivering that total experience.

TheRhino wrote on 3/12/2012, 9:09 PM
I cannot commit to a company where the OS licensing is restricted to only their hardware... For instance, at the studio we have an older Mac Pro for rendering-out Pro Res files and a Mac Mini as a backup. The Mac Mini motherboard died just after the warranty expired & the cost of the replacement board was as much as we originally paid for the Mini.

At home I have a Mini ITX Media Center PC with a 2600K CPU. (CPU was $225 at Microcenter & ITX was $100..). After some researching and tweaking, the Mini ITX has been successfully converted to a "Hackintosh" for emergency Pro Res rendering. (The Mac Mini w/USB was slow, so I would take it home on weekends to babysit the ProRes renders...) The software on the ITX machine was all licensed to run on the Mac Mini. The school provided me with a FCP license for home, and I still have the original OSX license & discs from the Mini. However, even with all of this $$$$ invested insoftware, the machine is not legal...

To get near identical performance to my $400 Media Center PC I would have to buy a $2200 iMac which is the least expensive system they sell with an I7 quad-core... The new Mac Minis do not have a DVD Writer, let-alone a Blu-ray burner, so I ain't buyin'. As it sits, my Mini ITX has a Blu-ray burner and a hot-swap drive. All I need to do is bring-home a drive with the DNxHD files & I am rendering-out Pro Res in no time... But it's not technically legal & to this point I have prided myself in only installing legal software that I, the studio, or school have purchased for my use....

Workstation C with $600 USD of upgrades in April, 2021
--$360 11700K @ 5.0ghz
--$200 ASRock W480 Creator (onboard 10G net, TB3, etc.)
Borrowed from my 9900K until prices drop:
--32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3200 ($100 on Black Friday...)
Reused from same Tower Case that housed the Xeon:
--Used VEGA 56 GPU ($200 on eBay before mining craze...)
--Noctua Cooler, 750W PSU, OS SSD, LSI RAID Controller, SATAs, etc.

Performs VERY close to my overclocked 9900K (below), but at stock settings with no tweaking...

Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair H150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000 (added another 32GB later...)
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (AMD VCE) in 13s when clocked at 4.9 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV & VCE renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID card with backups elsewhere

10G Network using used $30 Mellanox2 Adapters & Qnap QSW-M408-2C 10G Switch
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS with (6) 14TB WD RED
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A & B are the 2 remaining 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

$999 Walmart Evoo 17 Laptop with I7-9750H 6-core CPU, RTX 2060, (2) M.2 bays & (1) SSD bay...

nedski wrote on 3/12/2012, 9:33 PM
Thanks, your explanation of "It just works" is far more enlightening that how most Mac users explain it. I can appreciate your experience.

I've heard some pretty weird things from a few Mac users I know. One told me that I could NOT edit video on a PC... as I was handing them a DVD I edited/created with Vegas and DVDA. Another Mac user proudly boasted "I can search for anything on my Mac!" The oddest claim was a former Apple employee proudly showing off their new Intel G5 Mac Pro, that's right, they said Intel...... G5!

Maybe you should modify that phrase to say "They all work together, easily!"

In a previous life I used Apollo, Sun and HP-UX workstations for E-CAD work, so I do know how flexible Unix and it's variants can be.

PS. The only app that I have now that can really crap up Windows is Adobe Premiere CS5. It's very strange, Premiere was the first NLE software that I had. It came bundled with a Miro A/D card in the late 90's. It would always make Windows 98 hang or crash. I gave up on it. Twelve years later even the latest version Premiere hangs! I found Vegas around 2001 and still prefer it over all the others I've tried.


deusx wrote on 3/13/2012, 12:09 AM
>>>>Thanks, your explanation of "It just works" is far more enlightening that how most Mac users explain it. I can appreciate your experience.<<<<

except none of what he wrote is true ( maybe on his pc, but not overall )

even my laptop with antivirus, full of apps that everybody uses boots up in less than 30 seconds, shuts down immediately ( 3-4 seconds ), comes out of sleep instantly, switches users in 3-4 seconds. All programs open up in at most 3-5 seconds, some instantly. Don't use Chrome, but Firefox just pops open.

And this is not SSD, just your regular hard drive.
John_Cline wrote on 3/13/2012, 12:17 AM
The thread has "progressed" much like every other Mac vs. PC thread I have ever read; no one is going to convince the "opposition" that their position is correct.
JohnnyRoy wrote on 3/13/2012, 12:57 AM
> "The thread has "progressed" much like every other Mac vs. PC thread I have ever read; no one is going to convince the "opposition" that their position is correct."

I've never said my position was "correct" nor do I think there is a correct position. I was simply stating why I'd like to have Vegas Pro run natively on OS X. To understand why it was important for some to understand why after 28 years of using a Windows PC's, I've switched completely to Apple hardware and software on various computing devices. My Vegas Workstation is the last Windows PC that I own and I keep it around solely to run Vegas Pro so it would be helpful for me if I didn't have to do that. I'm not giving up Vegas just because I choose to use a Mac for the majority of my work.

It also might be important for Sony to understand that some users are switching due to the disruptive impact of "post PC" devices and that there might be some existing Mac users who would rather use Vegas Pro now that Apple has abandoned their Pro video editors. It seems like a valuable conversation to have to me which is why I originally posted. Hopefully it's been constructive.

John_Cline wrote on 3/13/2012, 1:11 AM
You're right, there is no "correct" position. A computer is just a tool and it's up to the individual to determine if it's the right tool for their particular task.
deusx wrote on 3/13/2012, 2:27 AM
Well.... to jump back to the original question, I can tell you why I don't think there will ever be an OSX Vegas version of Vegas and why most companies don't bother porting software to Macs. And this is by the way the reason why I hate Apple as well ( other reason being their ex scam artist leader ).

Apple wants you to buy Apple software, not just hardware. So whenever you have a product that competes with theirs they will undermine you at every corner. They are well known for breaking many programs with almost every update of their OS. They sometimes do it on purpose, other times it just happens because they don't test how the OS works with other companies' existing Mac programs. They don't care and they don't work with you to solve anything.

So why would you invest time and money into developing something for a platform whose parent company will do everything it can to screw you over. Even Adobe, whose programs they do need ( without photoshop, illustrator and flash they'd lose half of their user base ) has been and is being screwed by Apple ( whole flash vs. HTML thing among other issues ) on purpose because Apple's patents and development crossed over into that territory.
nedski wrote on 3/13/2012, 2:34 AM

So if Sony made a iOS iPad video editing app similar in scope to the iOS iMovie would you be buy it?

Of course, the video projects should be able to be read/transferred to Vegas yes?

There are quite a few iOS video editing apps, I wonder if Sony could be persuaded to write one or outsource it?

Sony Creative could dip their toes into the Mac world without bankrupting themselves or burdening the Vegas 13 team. ;-)
Rob Franks wrote on 3/13/2012, 7:24 AM
"Also the total integration of the user experience across devices helps as well. I have an Apple TV and I can easily redirect a video that I'm watching on my MacBook Pro or iPad/iPhone to my HD TV. There just isn't that level of integration for the PC. "

I have both WD TV LIVE and BOXEE BOX.... both FAR better than apple tv. As I understand it Apple tv JUST now introduced 1080p... something that both the above have had for quite some time. The Boxee even has a full web browser (with qwerty keyboard on the remote), as well as automatic downloading of movie information and additional trailers. I don't think Apple tv has DTS pass through either.... or at least they don't list it on the website. Integration is no problem at all. I store my movies on my computer HDD and stream to my big screen with the greatest of ease.

Apple tv is so far behind the times it's not even funny.

And the other thing.... this idea you have about tablets taking over pc's.... you've been drinking too much apple kool-ade! All you apple folk act like the touch screen was born just yesterday with the tablet. WRONG. It's been around for YEARS.... yet how many people do you see sitting at their desktop using a touch screen??? Ever tried to work all day with a touch screen? I have... it's a heck of a work out and all the extra movements required by the body takes its toll on you.

Point of fact: The old fashioned mouse/keyboard ARE AND REMAIN the most effective and efficient ways of inputting data... and tablets don't change this fact. Apple is simply trying to sell more ipads with all this ridiculous "post pc" talk.

And Apple stability.... firstly, I am absolutely amazed to see so many google hits on macs crashing since the apple software is SPECIFICALLY designed for the hardware in question.... yet it happens. In fact here are some apple users/lovers who question this whole apple stability stuff:

"This is so true I'm a huge fan of Apple products and build quality are far superior to anything else at a comparable price. The software however is NOT better / more stable than MS Windows.

My advice to you.... try to cut down on this Apple kool-ade you drink.... it's making you see things that aren't really there.